joswald21
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Post by joswald21 on Aug 9, 2017 8:40:02 GMT -5
Thanks, leonski - It's scary, but I think we agree 100% Probably means we're BOTH bound to be wrong...  Ever have that 'Here We Go' feeling? Like when a Tire blows out when going around a sharp turn? This thread went off-the-road way back... :-) |
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Post by 405x5 on Aug 9, 2017 8:51:34 GMT -5
Ha ha....well then back to the original question:
"Subwoofers - 1 or 2, That is the question"??
Answer:Try it with one ☝️ first. If that ain't enough, add ANOTHER !
(well now, that wasn't so hard 🤡🤠😇😍😅😂!
Bill
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joswald21
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Post by joswald21 on Aug 9, 2017 10:59:35 GMT -5
BRILLIANT!!! :-) Ha ha....well then back to the original question: "Subwoofers - 1 or 2, That is the question"?? Answer:Try it with one ☝️ first. If that ain't enough, add ANOTHER ! (well now, that wasn't so hard 🤡🤠😇😍😅😂! Bill |
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Post by leonski on Aug 9, 2017 12:46:08 GMT -5
When I bought my SINGLE sub, I set an upper budget limit and started shopping. Knowledge among sales guys in most stores in minimal.
So I went and listened. And eneded up at the HSU Research 'factory' store about 80 or 90 miles from here. Skipped shipping that way!
Keep in mind:
1. Possible sub locations in your room. Even though I've got an oddly shaped room, I've only got 2 possible places for a sub, unless I start running a LOT of wire.
2. Music only or mix of music and movies? Movie effects go way lower than most music.
3. SIZE of room in cubic feet. Not Square Feet
4. Listening habits. Loud? Louder? Evicted?
5. Lower limit of main speakers? Most subs will go very flat to 100hz or higher, so this should never come up.
6. Type and abilities of bass management? I leave a GAP between low pass and high pass. This allows drivers to SUM FLAT
thru the crossover with minimal phase nonsense.
So you end up with a decision based on maximum budget: 2 'lesser' subs or one larger sub?
The question I'd ask joswald21 is do you buy a PAIR of identical subs or will a large / small from a single manufacturer do? Or will you even buy from different makers?
It'd be tough to go budget limit on a single sub than decide you needed a 2nd.
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Post by jcz06 on Aug 9, 2017 15:13:03 GMT -5
I run 8.....but whose counting
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Post by sebastianr on Aug 9, 2017 20:34:20 GMT -5
I run 8.....but whose counting Do tell...😃 |
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Post by creimes on Aug 9, 2017 23:30:40 GMT -5
I run 8.....but whose counting But the big question is did you start with just one  |
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Post by joswald21 on Aug 10, 2017 11:36:46 GMT -5
I run 8.....but whose counting OH YEAH? My power amp volume goes up to 11! :-) Check out this informative video clip... Informative Video Clip |
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Post by joswald21 on Aug 10, 2017 11:45:37 GMT -5
I run 8.....but whose counting But the big question is did you start with just one :D (rofl) Aye...tis the question indeed... |
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Post by 405x5 on Aug 10, 2017 13:08:47 GMT -5
The question SHOULD be......
Subwoofers-1 (or more) or NONE.
After all, it's what you listen to that determines the need.
If you watch movies that focus on character development and no special soundtrack LFE effects......
and your music is in the frequency range, of swing band or classical piano, the sub. Will be nothing but a coffee table.
After that the range of need can be huge but fundamentally should be proportional to the integrating system.
Then there's that gang who have lost their minds and view their subwoofers as "weapons", I think, with no thought to musical accuracy (or reality).
Just take your car for a spin in any high traffic area and wait for the light to turn green while your windows crack.
Bill
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Post by creimes on Aug 10, 2017 13:40:08 GMT -5
The question SHOULD be...... Subwoofers-1 (or more) or NONE. After all, it's what you listen to that determines the need. If you watch movies that focus on character development and no special soundtrack LFE effects...... and your music is in the frequency range, of swing band or classical piano, the sub. Will be nothing but a coffee table. After that the range of need can be huge but fundamentally should be proportional to the integrating system. Then there's that gang who have lost their minds and view their subwoofers as "weapons", I think, with no thought to musical accuracy (or reality). Just take your car for a spin in any high traffic area and wait for the light to turn green while your windows crack. Bill Hey don't knock it till you try it hear it haha My 2 18's sound amazing listening to music as well as movies, best I have ever had/heard in my room, at any volume, once upon a time when I owned one 10" sub and now owning 2 18's I would never go back, they are a huge factor of making my system sound as good as it does  Chad |
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Post by leonski on Aug 10, 2017 14:02:04 GMT -5
405:
You've got a point. But remember that Movie soundtracks have little or No basis in reality.
But I see what you mean. Once you have 'weaponized' your sub, all else drops by the wayside.
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Post by sebastianr on Aug 10, 2017 14:08:36 GMT -5
Hey don't knock it till you try it hear it haha My 2 18's sound amazing listening to music as well as movies, best I have ever had/heard in my room, at any volume, once upon a time when I owned one 10" sub and now owning 2 18's I would never go back, they are a huge factor of making my system sound as good as it does Chad Well said Chad. Having an excellent speaker system, anchored with effortless, deep and powerful bass, really opens up the rest of the audio spectrum. The subwoofer doesn't need to overpower everything else, it just needs to be authoritatively present when called upon, with no distortion. |
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Post by garbulky on Aug 10, 2017 14:08:43 GMT -5
The question SHOULD be...... Subwoofers-1 (or more) or NONE. After all, it's what you listen to that determines the need. If you watch movies that focus on character development and no special soundtrack LFE effects...... and your music is in the frequency range, of swing band or classical piano, the sub. Will be nothing but a coffee table. After that the range of need can be huge but fundamentally should be proportional to the integrating system. Then there's that gang who have lost their minds and view their subwoofers as "weapons", I think, with no thought to musical accuracy (or reality). Just take your car for a spin in any high traffic area and wait for the light to turn green while your windows crack. Bill Hey don't knock it till you try it hear it haha My 2 18's sound amazing listening to music as well as movies, best I have ever had/heard in my room, at any volume, once upon a time when I owned one 10" sub and now owning 2 18's I would never go back, they are a huge factor of making my system sound as good as it does Chad Agreed. IMO the people that don't recommend dual subs simply haven't heard them. Bass resolution is a huge part of music. It's not all about the the volume |
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Post by pedrocols on Aug 10, 2017 14:38:17 GMT -5
You will never ever ever (never say never again) be completely happy if the bass isn't right.
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Post by 405x5 on Aug 10, 2017 15:11:04 GMT -5
405: You've got a point. But remember that Movie soundtracks have little or No basis in reality. But I see what you mean. Once you have 'weaponized' your sub, all else drops by the wayside. Interesting to note that some here still think I'm knocking the use of dual subwoofers,which is not the case, no not at all. In fact, one of my mentors went to duals years ago with excellent results (he also had an 18" Velodyne. Just making the distinction between the need or not indicated by frequency response. (You got it) Didn't follow your remarks about reality based in movie soundtracks elaborate? (I know you like writing A LOT) Bill |
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Post by leonski on Aug 10, 2017 16:25:44 GMT -5
Bill,
Point is? What DOES an explosion sound like? Or a building falling down? They sound however the sound designer for the movie wishes.
To say it didn't sound 'real' is not correct. It sounds like it sounds. Or rather was designed to sound.
Voices? People know what they sound like, or even stuff like phone effects or steps (Thank YOU, Mr. Foley!)
But to think there is an 'objective' reality to some effects sounds is incorrect.
This gives you Quite a bit of leeway in the choice of a sub. And than all the setup options come into play.
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Post by Edguest on Oct 9, 2017 22:43:31 GMT -5
I'm surprised the question of what the main speakers are has not come up, and if they are already purchased and committed. Sorry if I missed that.
In a room that small, especially a 13 foot square, there will be problems at 43 Hz if I did the math right.
If the OP already has some towers with respectable low end (eg Airmotiv T1), I don't see much value in the S8 since it starts rolling off 1/2 octave below what is probably quite a peak at 43 Hz, and you risk making yourself a 43 Hz torture chamber.
If the OP has some small bookshelf speakers that are already out of juice at 43 Hz then I could see the value in a pair of S8's (or bigger pair). I say pair because the higher crossover may lead to slight localizability of the subs making it desirable to place them near the mains... Though this is likely not ideal for room modes.
And since music is the priority, should the OP consider the Airmotiv S10? I don't own one but based on the specs and design that's what I would be leaning towards.
I would also recommend a frequency sweep by ear if nothing else, to see where the bottom end drops off and where bad peaks may be with the current setup if mains are already in place. If there is a big peak at 86 Hz perhaps that's where the crossover should be, to give a poor man's room eq with the phase control.
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