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Post by reeltoreel on Oct 15, 2021 3:20:15 GMT -5
Trying to decide on adding an internal phono module to my RMC-1 or use a XPS-1 external phono pre-amp. The specs indicate that the circuits are virtually the same. The better value seems to be the XPS-1 at $199 vs. the internal RMC-1 module at $249. An external XPS-1 allows more flexibility to use with line inputs on other devices. The internal RMC-1 module offers a cleaner integration. If marketing had offered the internal RMC-1 phono module at the same price as the XPS-1 the decision would be based on flexibility rather than price. It seems like the internal module would cost less to manufacture than the XPS-1 package. I guess if you can afford to purchase a $5k RMC-1, the $249 price of an internal phono module is a small price to pay for a fully integrated solution. Given the rising costs of materials and manufacturing, the XPS-1 could now be priced at $249. Am I missing something? Though I already owned the XPS-1, I considered the RMC-1 Phono module — I do like the idea of having one complete unit and one clean connection. The deciding factor though was having more flexibility with the placement of my turntable. With the internal module, you should try to keep the single cable length at about 3’ of high quality cable (like the BlueJeans LC-1). With the external XPS-1, you could probably get much further away, by keeping the turntable cable limited to the same 3’ cable, and having a longer output cable to the RMC-1. When my turntable shelf is finished, I plan on keeping the turntable (pre-in) cable around 12 — 18”, and then using around a 4’ cable to the RMC-1. The XPS-1 should allow at least 6’ from turntable to RMC, and the (less sensitive) output cable could be even longer if needed. So to me it’s just a matter of where you can place your turntable, the price seems reasonable.
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Post by reeltoreel on Oct 15, 2021 3:27:11 GMT -5
Thanks for the detailed perspective. I too, have a XPS-1 currently connected to another preamp in a different location. Before I purchase the internal module I will try that XPS-1 connected to the RMC with more attention to cabling. The better solution may be to purchase another XSP-1 and leave the RMC expansion slots open for future options.
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Post by jim80z on Oct 16, 2021 18:30:40 GMT -5
When are the channel addition modules coming (naturally alongside DLBC and updated Atmos & DTS:X Pro integration)? My two 24's are begging for some siblings and my dual mono side surrounds are dying for discrete signals. Pleasing the guys who can't let go of the past is great, but how about some love for those of us who can't help but strive for the bleeding edge?? +1 here. When can we have the output modules? Been hanging for them for a while! Need to get my 8 atmos channels going independently and add an extra 2 subs (9.4.8). Please tell me we can also get Dirac Bass Control in line with these modules?
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Post by rlev on Oct 21, 2021 18:36:26 GMT -5
I have an AV8805 (7.4.6 currently) that's was bought because I needed a stable placeholder while I waited for a 24 channel RMC-1. I'm still waiting ... 11.4.8 seems so far away ... (although by the time stable channel expansion cards show ... I may have to wait for the new RMC-1 V2 )
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Post by jim80z on Oct 21, 2021 23:01:06 GMT -5
Geez, Im not waiting for RMC-1 V2!
How big a room do you have? I ask since your considering 11 base speakers. I have been thinking about 11 but 9 is great at the moment.
Hey @hair Nick any further info/ETA on the RMC-1 output modules would be greatly appreciated!!
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Post by ekpen on Oct 22, 2021 9:52:25 GMT -5
If RMC -1's hardware is going to be revised, good. I will like to have a built in phono card, with 28 + channels. I have written or suggested before regarding those 3 optional ports. Please update us, on the new RMC - 1. Thanks. George.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 22, 2021 10:37:42 GMT -5
If RMC -1's hardware is going to be revised, good. I will like to have a built in phono card, with 28 + channels. I have written or suggested before regarding those 3 optional ports. Please update us, on the new RMC - 1. Thanks. George. We haven’t heard about any replacement for the RMC-1 which would allow what you describe. As it is, you could have built in phono plus (presumably when they’re released), 8 more channels, for a total of 24. If you really want or need 28 channels, the XPS-1 would be the simple solution.
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Post by ekpen on Oct 22, 2021 12:21:36 GMT -5
I am aware of the external solution. Hopefully something new is in the air. thanks. George
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Post by jim80z on Oct 22, 2021 23:04:34 GMT -5
I am aware of the external solution. Hopefully something new is in the air. thanks. George and start the entire dev cycle again......nope...... Get me the output expansion cards (looks close now fingers crossed), dirac bass and extra channel correction in line with the new output expansions cards, expansion of the onboard audio decoding formats to the 28 channel maximum, and sort out the remaining bugs (eg loud pop when audio format changes, now and then robotic sound when it gets confused which needs a rmc-1 restart, internal test levels never the same between firmware versions or consistent for subwoofers etc...............the newly mentioned webUI is a nice to have but I don't really care if I get it or not (once the rmc-1 is dialled in its very much set and forget and I love the results when firing on all cylinders). Basically what I am saying is Id like Emotiva to keep the promise (and I have no reason to believe they wont, however slowly they may get there) and I think I am good for at least 4-5 years wrt the theatre system. Emotiva can use that time to create the RMC-2 and will consider it then (and a new projector etc). So emotiva put me down for at least two output expansion boards and firmware V2.4 (or V3.0 if your feeling big about the changes :-) )
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Post by cwt on Oct 22, 2021 23:13:15 GMT -5
something new is in the air. The latest hints are for something in the entry level to replace the MC700 basx model ; otherwise youtu.be/NNC0kIzM1Fo
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Post by davidl81 on Oct 22, 2021 23:42:44 GMT -5
something new is in the air. The latest hints are for something in the entry level to replace the MC700 basx model ; otherwise youtu.be/NNC0kIzM1FoYeah, I can’t see anything coming out inside the next 3-4 years to replace the RMC line.
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Post by hsamwel on Oct 23, 2021 4:16:17 GMT -5
The latest hints are for something in the entry level to replace the MC700 basx model ; otherwise youtu.be/NNC0kIzM1FoYeah, I can’t see anything coming out inside the next 3-4 years to replace the RMC line. I agree.. Emotiva has even hinted that RMC-1 could be upgraded with a new processor card. This way it could actually live almost forever.. 95% of all users will never go beyond 16 channels anyway.. Unless Emotiva is planning a revised GUI with a new GPU there’s actually no need to upgrade the CPU card anyway. Maybe if they’re planning to support DIRAC 96khz calibration.. This would need an huge amount of processor power in multi channel. They could actually release a new CPU board and call it RMC -1 gen2 or whatever. Then let the current owners have this as an upgrade the same as with the HDMI card. Nothing in the box, outputs, HDMI or DACs need to change really.. This would be huge from Emotiva.. No other product that I know of have this kind of upgradability.. Even if some insanely expensive brands have plenty of upgrades they have limits and don’t ”live forever”. I’m quite sure I rather pay $1000 for an upgraded processor card than $5000 for an all new RMC-2. They could actually revise all cards (needed) about every 10 years or so and by this actually releasing a ”new processor” generation.
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Post by davidl81 on Oct 23, 2021 22:09:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I can’t see anything coming out inside the next 3-4 years to replace the RMC line. I agree.. Emotiva has even hinted that RMC-1 could be upgraded with a new processor card. This way it could actually live almost forever.. 95% of all users will never go beyond 16 channels anyway.. Unless Emotiva is planning a revised GUI with a new GPU there’s actually no need to upgrade the CPU card anyway. Maybe if they’re planning to support DIRAC 96khz calibration.. This would need an huge amount of processor power in multi channel. They could actually release a new CPU board and call it RMC -1 gen2 or whatever. Then let the current owners have this as an upgrade the same as with the HDMI card. Nothing in the box, outputs, HDMI or DACs need to change really.. This would be huge from Emotiva.. No other product that I know of have this kind of upgradability.. Even if some insanely expensive brands have plenty of upgrades they have limits and don’t ”live forever”. I’m quite sure I rather pay $1000 for an upgraded processor card than $5000 for an all new RMC-2. They could actually revise all cards (needed) about every 10 years or so and by this actually releasing a ”new processor” generation. My guess is there will be some new standard released over the next 5 years that the current RMC can’t make work/too expensive to make work (like what happened with the XMC-1) that will force Emotiva to build a new unit. What that standard could be I have no idea.
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Post by rizman on Nov 13, 2021 18:51:42 GMT -5
Make an expansion module with a DANTE output that simply (albeit digitally) mimics the 16 analog outputs and we’d be “future proof” for a significant amount of time.
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Post by bblv on Dec 15, 2021 12:41:44 GMT -5
Another month and another year gone by and no channel expansion cards that were promised at launch. Any update from Emo on these with codecs to support them?
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Post by rlev on Jan 18, 2022 13:14:46 GMT -5
Geez, Im not waiting for RMC-1 V2! How big a room do you have? I ask since your considering 11 base speakers. I have been thinking about 11 but 9 is great at the moment. Hey @hair Nick any further info/ETA on the RMC-1 output modules would be greatly appreciated!! Sorry this post is 2 months late. The v2 was kind of a joke (kind of). But from what was said on this board (since I’ve never played with an RMC-1), It would be great if they made the interface snappier … bet much of that is poorly written software which could be fix. The display should update immediately while the switching and setup can be done on a background thread. If they are doing that then they need to do some serious profiling. Then again I could just be clueless. Anyway, That would be my first bet over processor speed … My room is not that big … 16’x21’ … it is a dedicated listening room/theater. The reason for adding more speakers is to expand the listening area. If it’s just me and my wife the 13 channels I have now would suffice.
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Post by atomsite on Feb 9, 2022 14:18:45 GMT -5
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Post by cwt on Feb 10, 2022 6:07:27 GMT -5
Thats been seen by many I suspect ; the curious thing is this has had no comments since - Proof time can stand still
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Post by lellimecnar on Feb 11, 2022 18:19:05 GMT -5
I'm okay with waiting for the output modules–I know how much it takes to get something like this right. But I'm currently wiring my new home theater to use all 28 outputs, and I want to make sure that I'll be able to assign each of the new outputs to the proper channels. Right now, I've got an 11.4.6 speaker setup wired, but with the current 16 outputs, it's just a 9.1.6 channel layout. (surrounds 1 and 2 are doubled up) To use all 28 outputs, I would want a 14.2.12 setup like this: - Left Front
- Left Center Front
- Center Front
- Right Center Front
- Right Front
- Left Width
- Right Width
- Left Surround 1
- Right Surround 1
- Left Surround 2
- Right Surround 2
- Left Rear
- Center Rear
- Right Rear
- Front Subs (4 drivers)
- Bass Transducers (2 rows of 4)
- Left Front Height
- Center Front Height
- Right Front Height
- Left Front Top
- Right Front Top
- Left Mid Top
- Center Mid Top (Voice of God)
- Right Mid Top
- Left Rear Top
- Right Rear Top
- Left Rear Height
- Right Rear Height
I'd be really disappointed to wire all of this up, only to find out that some of the output channels will go unused because they can't be mapped to the channels I have wired...
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Post by davidl81 on Feb 11, 2022 19:59:55 GMT -5
I'm okay with waiting for the output modules–I know how much it takes to get something like this right. But I'm currently wiring my new home theater to use all 28 outputs, and I want to make sure that I'll be able to assign each of the new outputs to the proper channels. Right now, I've got an 11.4.6 speaker setup wired, but with the current 16 outputs, it's just a 9.1.6 channel layout. (surrounds 1 and 2 are doubled up) To use all 28 outputs, I would want a 14.2.12 setup like this: - Left Front
- Left Center Front
- Center Front
- Right Center Front
- Right Front
- Left Width
- Right Width
- Left Surround 1
- Right Surround 1
- Left Surround 2
- Right Surround 2
- Left Rear
- Center Rear
- Right Rear
- Front Subs (4 drivers)
- Bass Transducers (2 rows of 4)
- Left Front Height
- Center Front Height
- Right Front Height
- Left Front Top
- Right Front Top
- Left Mid Top
- Center Mid Top (Voice of God)
- Right Mid Top
- Left Rear Top
- Right Rear Top
- Left Rear Height
- Right Rear Height
I'd be really disappointed to wire all of this up, only to find out that some of the output channels will go unused because they can't be mapped to the channels I have wired... I have a RMC-1, I also find it wildly optimistic to think it will ever handle 28 channels. I know they said it would at some point, but it’s been three years and all they have is a balanced input board. That board is the absolute simplest board they could have added.
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