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Post by markc on Feb 14, 2022 11:26:27 GMT -5
I'm okay with waiting for the output modules–I know how much it takes to get something like this right. 28 channels? You don't seriously expect this to come to fruition do you? By which I mean come to exist Ever! Emotiva have still not managed to get 5.1 audio sources correctly out of these Processors into 5.1 speakers. Yes! Read that again. It's true. Simple bass extraction, combination, levelling and redistribution to any sub/satellite home theatre system does not work as intended. Expand that to 7.1, 9.1, 5.2.1 through 7.6.1 and everything in-between - none of them are correctly output. It ought to be a joke (and it most certainly is) but it absolutely definitely isn't and is instead the reality we all face when listening to our "Rethink High End" systems. This is in the 5 years since release of the RMC-1 Despite the cost, if you can afford to buy the wiring for that many speakers, let alone the speakers themselves then you ought to be looking at other manufacturers for these super-complex niche products. If you don't want to be facing wires poking through walls and ceiling or speaker grilles with no audio coming from behind it, then that will be your only choice in 5 years time. Are you actually expecting Emotiva to implement any kind of audio extraction algorithm that will distribute audio with any directional intelligibility between a left rear surround, left rear height and left rear top? Add in your left surround 1, left surround 2, etc etc and you have a recipe for disappointment.
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Post by ttocs on Feb 14, 2022 16:15:22 GMT -5
I'm okay with waiting for the output modules–I know how much it takes to get something like this right. 1. Emotiva have still not managed to get 5.1 audio sources correctly out of these Processors into 5.1 speakers. 2. Yes! Read that again. It's true. 3. Simple bass extraction, combination, levelling and redistribution to any sub/satellite home theatre system does not work as intended. 4. Expand that to 7.1, 9.1, 5.2.1 through 7.6.1 and everything in-between - none of them are correctly output. 1. False. 2. Not True. 3. False. 4. False. Your statements are not correct since FW2.5. Surround mode BM is fixed for 3.1, 5.1, 7.1, 5.1.4, 7.1.4, using either User EQ or Dirac EQ. Using more than one subwoofer output setup as Mono (as in Left Sub Mono + Center Sub Mono) adds +2dB of subwoofer summing and is in process of being fixed. Using Large Fronts for BM is much improved, but not fixed. There are still unresolved issues. Accuracy is appreciated.
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Post by lellimecnar on Feb 16, 2022 10:52:28 GMT -5
Your statements are not correct since FW2.5. Do you mean that it was fixed in 2.5, or just that it's currently fixed, as of the latest version, which is 2.5?
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Post by ttocs on Feb 16, 2022 11:47:44 GMT -5
Your statements are not correct since FW2.5. Do you mean that it was fixed in 2.5, or just that it's currently fixed, as of the latest version, which is 2.5? What I mentioned as being fixed is with Firmware 2.5, which is what I'm currently running. Everything I've tested with 2.5 is better except for pops. I've never had as many pops before 2.5. Things which are still not fixed are at least better, so it's a move in the correct direction. All Stereo is still too dangerous (LFE from multi-channel audio is way too high vs nominal volume level of speaker channels) for most users to use, even though the level of BM is 30% less than before.. However, with Large Fronts and PCM 2.0 it works fine, so for my usage with Pandora for background music it's great.
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Post by brbecker on Feb 18, 2022 11:05:37 GMT -5
How much longer for my HDMI 2.1 motherboard? Lol.
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Post by hsamwel on Feb 18, 2022 20:08:28 GMT -5
1. Emotiva have still not managed to get 5.1 audio sources correctly out of these Processors into 5.1 speakers. 2. Yes! Read that again. It's true. 3. Simple bass extraction, combination, levelling and redistribution to any sub/satellite home theatre system does not work as intended. 4. Expand that to 7.1, 9.1, 5.2.1 through 7.6.1 and everything in-between - none of them are correctly output. 1. False. 2. Not True. 3. False. 4. False. Your statements are not correct since FW2.5. Surround mode BM is fixed for 3.1, 5.1, 7.1, 5.1.4, 7.1.4, using either User EQ or Dirac EQ. Using more than one subwoofer output setup as Mono (as in Left Sub Mono + Center Sub Mono) adds +2dB of subwoofer summing and is in process of being fixed. Using Large Fronts for BM is much improved, but not fixed. There are still unresolved issues. Accuracy is appreciated. Well, it still isn’t correctly output. So markc isn’t incorrect in his statements however harsh he may have put it. Yes, firmware 2.5 does improve on some settings. But improved and correct isn’t the same thing.
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Post by hsamwel on Mar 4, 2022 11:41:27 GMT -5
Bump! Well into march and still no firmware fix.. Or channel extension modules.. Planned ”later this year” last year.
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Post by Lsc on Mar 4, 2022 13:17:34 GMT -5
How much longer for my HDMI 2.1 motherboard? Lol. The HDMI 2.1 board…well my guess is we will be asking the same question 365 days from now and will have the same answer. I do plan on getting a PS5 for which will be my first HDMI 2.1 source so Emotiva has plenty of time. It’ll probably be 2023 before I can get a PS5 and pay retail.
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Post by hsamwel on Mar 5, 2022 4:44:16 GMT -5
How much longer for my HDMI 2.1 motherboard? Lol. The HDMI 2.1 board…well my guess is we will be asking the same question 365 days from now and will have the same answer. I do plan on getting a PS5 for which will be my first HDMI 2.1 source so Emotiva has plenty of time. It’ll probably be 2023 before I can get a PS5 and pay retail. My hope is that the new HDMI board with new code (I hope) will be a lot faster with everything. Switching inputs, syncing and whatever.. I have no real use for HDMI 2.1 other than fast media switching which I hope ATV 4k gen2 supports. I do own a PS5 but I have it in another room so it will not be used with my RMC-1. My 4k Sony TV got a firmware update to support 120p playback but only from USB. It has the older HDMI 2.0b inputs so I can’t use this for PS5 with 120p anyway.
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Post by cwt on Mar 5, 2022 4:52:27 GMT -5
How much longer for my HDMI 2.1 motherboard? Lol. It may or may not be in competition with a easier tweak of the current 2.0b board to enable E-ARC ? this would sate those who dont game and just want to download netflix etc How long from a 2.1 prototype board is the question.. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/1077701/thread
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Post by Lsc on Mar 5, 2022 16:18:21 GMT -5
The HDMI 2.1 board…well my guess is we will be asking the same question 365 days from now and will have the same answer. I do plan on getting a PS5 for which will be my first HDMI 2.1 source so Emotiva has plenty of time. It’ll probably be 2023 before I can get a PS5 and pay retail. My hope is that the new HDMI board with new code (I hope) will be a lot faster with everything. Switching inputs, syncing and whatever.. I have no real use for HDMI 2.1 other than fast media switching which I hope ATV 4k gen2 supports. I do own a PS5 but I have it in another room so it will not be used with my RMC-1. My 4k Sony TV got a firmware update to support 120p playback but only from USB. It has the older HDMI 2.0b inputs so I can’t use this for PS5 with 120p anyway. I don’t know enough about the architecture or technical aspects of the G3P to know if the hdmi board is solely responsible for the switching speed or if there are other factors like the main processing power that is static. I don’t switch sources too much as ATV4K has most of the apps that I watch so the switching time is fine for me. I agree it’s not very fast but since I hardly switch its not a big issue at least for me. Also, given what happened with the XMC1 and the HDMI boards…I won’t be an early adopter.
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Post by brbecker on Mar 8, 2022 9:49:45 GMT -5
Wow, last August Keith mentioned that they had an HDMI 2.1 board in prototype. I'm still hoping it comes out soon. I have an 8K TV and the latest Xbox. I also would like to have support for HDR10+. Hopefully soon.
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Post by ekpen on May 13, 2022 2:03:39 GMT -5
Bump! Well into march and still no firmware fix.. Or channel extension modules.. Planned ”later this year” last year. output card: any update yet? I will not place an order for RMC -1, and the gen 3 11 channels amps. If delays persists, I will be looking at Anthem avm 90, and a pair of Yamaha 11 channels amps. George.
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Post by doc1963 on May 13, 2022 6:20:37 GMT -5
Bump! Well into march and still no firmware fix.. Or channel extension modules.. Planned ”later this year” last year. output card: any update yet? I will not place an order for RMC -1, and the gen 3 11 channels amps. If delays persists, I will be looking at Anthem avm 90, and a pair of Yamaha 11 channels amps. George. If it were me, and I had a line to secure an AVM 90 today (even if I wouldn't have it in my hands for another few weeks/months), I’d buy it and never look back. As I see it, these expansion modules entail a bit more than just installing a card in a slot. They will require their own "targeted" firmware (beyond that of the XMC-2 and RMC-1L) to map those additional channels as well as updated mixers (DSUv3 and DTS:X Pro) that can expand into them. Additionally, if your expansion purposes are intended for additional subwoofers, Dirac Live Bass Control (aka DLBC) would be almost a must have. It's my understanding that Anthem's newest version of their proprietary ARC Genesis can integrate up to four subwoofers using the AVM 90 seamlessly. When it comes to the RMC-1 (and these channel expansion cards exclusively), given the current track record, production climate and/or pace, don’t hold your breath and expect to not pass out…
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Post by ekpen on May 13, 2022 16:42:02 GMT -5
Thanks for your input. Emotiva podcasts do not even mention the RMC -1 and output cards anymore. Mostly the podcasts consists of jokes and what not. If Dan or Lonnie are really serious, an update to these output cards will be appreciated. I will give Emotiva one more podcast broadcast, if nothing is forthcoming, I will have to look elsewhere. George.
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Post by junchoon on May 15, 2022 3:36:07 GMT -5
The thread started in 2017 Sept Besides paying $1000 extra, we only have two modules to choose from What is going on here?
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Post by davidl81 on May 15, 2022 11:22:44 GMT -5
The thread started in 2017 Sept Besides paying $1000 extra, we only have two modules to choose from What is going on here? I’ve always felt since the beginning that anything more than 16 channels was going to be highly unlikely to happen in a 5K pre/pro (at this time). The reality is you are talking about a very small total attainable market and the engineering money spent to make it work will be huge. You would have to sell the expansion modules at a very large price point and have enough people adopt it for the economics to make any sense. It’s always seemed to me Emotiva would put simple things like extra inputs or the pre-amp into the RMC because it’s a much simpler software project and they can now officially check off the box of making the unit expandable. Honestly if they wanted to make a 28 channel unit they would be much better off just building a RMC-2 already with those channels in it and sell it for like $8k. Offer a trade in type of deal for current RMC-1 owners.
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Post by novisnick on May 15, 2022 13:22:44 GMT -5
The thread started in 2017 Sept Besides paying $1000 extra, we only have two modules to choose from What is going on here? I’ve always felt since the beginning that anything more than 16 channels was going to be highly unlikely to happen in a 5K pre/pro (at this time). The reality is you are talking about a very small total attainable market and the engineering money spent to make it work will be huge. You would have to sell the expansion modules at a very large price point and have enough people adopt it for the economics to make any sense. It’s always seemed to me Emotiva would put simple things like extra inputs or the pre-amp into the RMC because it’s a much simpler software project and they can now officially check off the box of making the unit expandable. Honestly if they wanted to make a 28 channel unit they would be much better off just building a RMC-2 already with those channels in it and sell it for like $8k. Offer a trade in type of deal for current RMC-1 owners. Yep, some/many of us are left holding the bag! Unfortunately the bag seems rather empty for the premium paid. 😢
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Post by ekpen on May 15, 2022 15:04:19 GMT -5
The thread started in 2017 Sept Besides paying $1000 extra, we only have two modules to choose from What is going on here? I’ve always felt since the beginning that anything more than 16 channels was going to be highly unlikely to happen in a 5K pre/pro (at this time). The reality is you are talking about a very small total attainable market and the engineering money spent to make it work will be huge. You would have to sell the expansion modules at a very large price point and have enough people adopt it for the economics to make any sense. It’s always seemed to me Emotiva would put simple things like extra inputs or the pre-amp into the RMC because it’s a much simpler software project and they can now officially check off the box of making the unit expandable. Honestly if they wanted to make a 28 channel unit they would be much better off just building a RMC-2 already with those channels in it and sell it for like $8k. Offer a trade in type of deal for current RMC-1 owners. RMC-1 is already getting old and obsolete. Sometime ago, I wrote and suggested an RMC-2 with more output channels, of course an increase in price may be needed. Maybe Chief Dan will give us an update. If the company is having issues with card, let us know then start from grounds up, by designing a new SSP. George
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Post by lellimecnar on May 23, 2022 13:13:51 GMT -5
So, what are others doing with their "extra" speakers while waiting for the expansion modules? For example, I have a 12.4.12 speaker layout, but I'm only able to output a 9.1.6 channel setup from my RMC-1. Do I just leave 9 speakers unplugged? Do I double up on channels? I've got two sets of surrounds that are doubled up right now, and I'm not loving it...
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