|
|
Post by sahmen on Dec 29, 2017 23:04:05 GMT -5
"Now you're accusing me of being "rich"? What if I told you that I purchased my two meter Pangea AC 9 SE cable used from another lounger for $120?, and another used one from Amazon for $125.00...?" I would say you paid "$245.00 too much. Bill And I would say you have just made a claim that you cannot actually support with any first hand experience, or evidence, since you do not seem to have experimented with this cable like I have, in a chain of components like mine., in order to test the basis of your claim for yourself.. However, if you can live with that, I also can, and with that, we can agree to disagree, and move on.  And as for paying $245 for two of these particular cables of this length, I have done that without any regrets whatsoever, and knowing what I know today, about what they've brought to my rig, I would do it all over again in a heartbeat. |
|
|
|
Post by leonski on Dec 30, 2017 0:49:02 GMT -5
I use BlueJeans speaker and IC cabling. Made by Belden, it covers all the 'fundamentals'. However, I find it odd that they have an opinion about something which they do not sell. Some time ago I asked 'em and got a null answer. I also find it interesting that someone should come up with all sorts of reasons about not being able to hear differences than NOT test his conclusions. Fair to both sides of the debate? From the 'objectivist' end, maybe. |
|
|
|
Post by socketman on Dec 30, 2017 1:03:27 GMT -5
I have to get in on this, against my better judgement. I know the believers believe and the the doubters doubt but i run on logic so i have to doubt for lack of any ability to test. If i could go to the home of a believer and change out his power cable without him knowing and then monitored with cctv whether he noticed the change or not i will continue to doubt until proven wrong. With that said, what people do with their hard earned cash is entirely up to them . Its a shame we have to argue incessantly over these topics, no ones changing their minds. So lets get back to harping on Dan and get that ATMOS board thread fired up .
|
|
|
|
Post by 405x5 on Dec 30, 2017 10:27:09 GMT -5
I Don’t know...,..
As most here are aware, there is a “Today’s Humor” thread.
But when somebody blows a grand on a piece of wire, it puts a smile 😀 on my face.
Others go there. for the REAL laughs .....(I stay here) 🤣😂😅😇
Bill
|
|
|
|
Post by DavidR on Dec 30, 2017 10:39:57 GMT -5
Too late to 'start the lore' of power cables. This is really one of the 3rd rail topics of audio and making hard recommendations is the easy way to get vaporized. Chances are very good that the 'cord' that comes with the amp is one size TOO SMALL. It might even be a 16ga, which to ME is an insult for a high powered amp. If 16? An upgrade to 14 would be nice or perhaps a 12ga. And DIY is not out of the question on something a simple as a power cord, though some aruguing exists about the need or benefit of a shielded type. From a simple electrical standpoint, it makes sense to have a cord capable of the continuous (worst case) current draw of such an amp as the XPA-1 or -2. I'm not recommending a HUGE outlay, but rather a reasonable upgrade over the stock cord which on most amps are near to being a throw-away item. The cable linked in the original post should be AVOIDED, IMO, since they do NOT list conductor size, which is one of the fundamentals. Also, using a good grade of OFC (Oxygen Free Copper) helps both conductivity and reliability. But it is listed and labeled as 15A - 125V. That would make it 14 gauge. |
|
|
|
Post by RichGuy on Dec 30, 2017 12:25:03 GMT -5
The power cable linked in the original post is 10 gauge, in the Q&A section when asked the size the seller states
"3 condutors inside and 10 AWG per conductor."
BTW a larger gauge wire than is in your homes walls will contribute absolutely nothing. Good shielding on the other hand helps prevent unwanted noise in your system and can be a benefit. Also it does not matter that the wire in your walls are not shielded as they are in the walls where it's not needed. Your power cables however run near your equipment and other cables like speaker and interconnects which is where they can cause noise to be picked up in your system.
A good quality 14ga or 12ga power cable with a quality shielding and snug well fitted connectors is what I recommend if you want to upgrade your power cable.
|
|
|
|
Post by leonski on Dec 30, 2017 13:08:42 GMT -5
I Don’t know...,.. As most here are aware, there is a “Today’s Humor” thread. But when somebody blows a grand on a piece of wire, it puts a smile 😀 on my face. Others go there. for the REAL laughs .....(I stay here) 🤣😂😅😇 Bill To my knowledge, nobody here has advocated the 1000$ power cord. The 'budget' end, say <100$ is where the 'action' is. |
|
|
|
Post by RichGuy on Dec 30, 2017 14:10:22 GMT -5
You can build your own very easily typically the ones I have made cost me about $30-$40 depending on length, some of mine are 20 ft long some are barely 2 ft, I like all of my cables made to size with no messy leftover lengths. Just buy a nice 3 prong and IEC connector, I like Marinco connectors, these are all very good. Plug Link 1 Plug Link 2 Plug Link 3 IEC Link The IEC is the most expensive part and they have been more expensive recently. Some quality shielded wire Belden & Carol are good choices. I use Belden wire for my power cables, around a dollar a foot. If you want them to look good add some TechFlex braided sleeving and a little shrink tubing and you can make them look very nice. Link |
|
|
|
Post by foggy1956 on Dec 30, 2017 14:12:30 GMT -5
The power cable linked in the original post is 10 gauge, in the Q&A section when asked the size the seller states "3 condutors inside and 10 AWG per conductor."BTW a larger gauge wire than is in your homes walls will contribute absolutely nothing. Good shielding on the other hand helps prevent unwanted noise in your system and can be a benefit. Also it does not matter that the wire in your walls are not shielded as they are in the walls where it's not needed. Your power cables however run near your equipment and other cables like speaker and interconnects which is where they can cause noise to be picked up in your system. A good quality 14ga or 12ga power cable with a quality shielding and snug well fitted connectors is what I recommend if you want to upgrade your power cable. Careful, when I suggested a 7 gauge cable being fed by a smaller one would make the larger irrelevant, Keith jumped in to roast my thoughts😎 |
|
|
|
Post by 405x5 on Dec 30, 2017 14:57:05 GMT -5
I Don’t know...,.. As most here are aware, there is a “Today’s Humor” thread. But when somebody blows a grand on a piece of wire, it puts a smile 😀 on my face. Others go there. for the REAL laughs .....(I stay here) 🤣😂😅😇 Bill To my knowledge, nobody here has advocated the 1000$ power cord. The 'budget' end, say <100$ is where the 'action' is. You’re right! Blew the number outta here for the sake of the punchline! |
|
|
|
Post by monkumonku on Dec 30, 2017 15:50:13 GMT -5
The power cable linked in the original post is 10 gauge, in the Q&A section when asked the size the seller states "3 condutors inside and 10 AWG per conductor."BTW a larger gauge wire than is in your homes walls will contribute absolutely nothing. Good shielding on the other hand helps prevent unwanted noise in your system and can be a benefit. Also it does not matter that the wire in your walls are not shielded as they are in the walls where it's not needed. Your power cables however run near your equipment and other cables like speaker and interconnects which is where they can cause noise to be picked up in your system. A good quality 14ga or 12ga power cable with a quality shielding and snug well fitted connectors is what I recommend if you want to upgrade your power cable. Careful, when I suggested a 7 gauge cable being fed by a smaller one would make the larger irrelevant, Keith jumped in to roast my thoughts😎 Then you could have gone over to New England to warm them up a bit.  |
|
|
|
Post by lehighvalleyjeff on Dec 30, 2017 15:50:38 GMT -5
My experience with power cords has been relatively consistent over the last 10 years in my various audio systems. The criteria I use consistently is I will listen to a track with the existing cord in the system (whatever it is) and then I swap in the new cord and listen to the exact same track noting and differences for better or (many times) worse. Then I swap back to the original cord and listen to the same track. If there is either no change in sound or what I perceive as a change for the worst then the new power cord goes back to the store. Regardless of price or brand. This has been the case with several audioquest, monster and some other highly regarded brand power cords.
For some unknown reason each time I’ve introduced a power cord from Pangea I’ve consistently had positive results. They specifically design their cables for specific applications like source components versus power amps.
They ironically start at prices like $24.99 which is pretty darn inexpensive but I’ve used almost all of the cables in their line and they all seem to positively impact the performance of my systems. Both my reference solid state Legacy Audio system and in my monoblocks tube system.
Frankly if it makes my audio gear sound noticeably better I do not understand why people get angry on this forum. Nobody is forcing my cables into your system so please take your anger and hostility and direct it somewhere else.
The harsh reality is that while Emotiva makes some interesting consumer level gear, there are other levels in home audio and frankly if power cables didn’t make a noticeable sonic influence in the audio chain then i would never have replaced all of my cords in the first place.
I have one priority in audio. It is to extract the best sound quality I can from my system. My intention for making my system sound better has never been to offend anyone. In fact my hifi friends have never been pissed off because I tried a new power cord. Many a time people have come over and been quite impressed by what they have heard but to my knowledge it’s never offended anyone except on this forum.
It saddens me for the future audiophiles to come that people on here actually get upset or enjoy laughing at people for their power cord choices. I’ve always been taugh to share my knowledge and encourage people to try things and gauge their own sonic results. Some things I think sound awful are the cats meow in someone else’s system. This is one reason why my interest in this forum is becoming more and more limited each day.
If something works for one person who are you to discredit how that person perceives that sound?
|
|
|
|
Post by Soup on Dec 30, 2017 16:49:20 GMT -5
Agree! Too many know-it-alls......
|
|
|
|
Post by audiosyndrome on Dec 30, 2017 17:49:55 GMT -5
An interesting website for DIY power cables. Specific to the component, shielded and UNshielded. Russ link |
|
|
|
Post by leonski on Dec 30, 2017 20:26:36 GMT -5
To my knowledge, nobody here has advocated the 1000$ power cord. The 'budget' end, say <100$ is where the 'action' is. You’re right! Blew the number outta here for the sake of the punchline! The LAST such reference I heard about was associated with Jonestown, where jokes were prohibited because the punchlines were too long. If you get THAT reference, you get extra bonus points. |
|
|
|
Post by DavidR on Dec 30, 2017 23:17:05 GMT -5
The power cable linked in the original post is 10 gauge, in the Q&A section when asked the size the seller states "3 condutors inside and 10 AWG per conductor."BTW a larger gauge wire than is in your homes walls will contribute absolutely nothing. Good shielding on the other hand helps prevent unwanted noise in your system and can be a benefit. Also it does not matter that the wire in your walls are not shielded as they are in the walls where it's not needed. Your power cables however run near your equipment and other cables like speaker and interconnects which is where they can cause noise to be picked up in your system. A good quality 14ga or 12ga power cable with a quality shielding and snug well fitted connectors is what I recommend if you want to upgrade your power cable. What sense does it make to put a wire that can handle a 30 amp load with connector ends only rated for 15 amps? Makes no sense. Snake oil. |
|
|
|
Post by RichGuy on Dec 30, 2017 23:52:13 GMT -5
The power cable linked in the original post is 10 gauge, in the Q&A section when asked the size the seller states "3 condutors inside and 10 AWG per conductor."BTW a larger gauge wire than is in your homes walls will contribute absolutely nothing. Good shielding on the other hand helps prevent unwanted noise in your system and can be a benefit. Also it does not matter that the wire in your walls are not shielded as they are in the walls where it's not needed. Your power cables however run near your equipment and other cables like speaker and interconnects which is where they can cause noise to be picked up in your system. A good quality 14ga or 12ga power cable with a quality shielding and snug well fitted connectors is what I recommend if you want to upgrade your power cable. What sense does it make to put a wire that can handle a 30 amp load with connector ends only rated for 15 amps? Makes no sense. Snake oil. Basically the largest wire to use is the same gauge wire that your home is wired in, there is no benefit to make it larger. |
|
|
|
Post by socketman on Dec 31, 2017 0:58:14 GMT -5
If its bigger it can store extra energy and give the fat electrons more room so they dont rub each other and cause static.
|
|
|
|
Post by Boomzilla on Dec 31, 2017 3:33:51 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by mgbpuff on Dec 31, 2017 9:20:52 GMT -5
If your voltage is on the low side, the larger cable (larger than what is in your walls) may aid in minimizing additional voltage drop.
|
|
