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Post by davidl81 on Mar 6, 2018 15:38:00 GMT -5
I guess it would be nice if something official were to come out if in fact it was delayed past March. Since they sent out a press release stating March deliveries then it would only be fair to announce that is will be delayed till whenever (maybe even under promise and say it wont be till Q3-Q4, but they think it would really be ready Q2 or so). People understand delays, they may not like them but they understand them. Just good communication and letting people know what's going on helps from people getting frustrated. Sure if they announce a later delivery date they may lose a few sales to people getting a AV8805 etc, but I would think a large majority who want this processor would just wait for it to arrive.
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 6, 2018 17:12:38 GMT -5
I guess it would be nice if something official were to come out if in fact it was delayed past March. Since they sent out a press release stating March deliveries then it would only be fair to announce that is will be delayed till whenever (maybe even under promise and say it wont be till Q3-Q4, but they think it would really be ready Q2 or so). People understand delays, they may not like them but they understand them. Just good communication and letting people know what's going on helps from people getting frustrated. Sure if they announce a later delivery date they may lose a few sales to people getting a AV8805 etc, but I would think a large majority who want this processor would just wait for it to arrive. It's trade off, the way I see it. Will they lose more customers telling them a longer wait time or will they lose more customers not telling them anything? Personally I think the latter. Cheers Gary
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Post by lonert on Mar 7, 2018 8:15:49 GMT -5
It's trade off, the way I see it. Will they lose more customers telling them a longer wait time or will they lose more customers not telling them anything? Personally I think the latter. There have been many a slip, and it shows - the perennial gap between Engineering and Sales/Marketing
- the loss of reliability from a customer's perspective
- the inability to control the supply chain reliably and predictably
If the date was announced once, to be December 2019, it is unlikely that this discussion would have the posts it does.
Just my 2c.
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Post by broncsrule21 on Mar 7, 2018 10:43:18 GMT -5
I am a Emotiva fan but not one of their processors have ever been released even remotely close to the projected date. Eg. UMC-1, XMC-1 etc. this is not new, no one should be surprised, and they sell enough to keep making more.
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Post by jcz06 on Mar 7, 2018 11:12:38 GMT -5
I am definitely Anxious but realize that delays happen....hopefully the late April timeframe will hold...I am ready to get it into my system!
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Post by garbulky on Mar 7, 2018 13:43:04 GMT -5
I am a Emotiva fan but not one of their processors have ever been released even remotely close to the projected date. Eg. UMC-1, XMC-1 etc. this is not new, no one should be surprised, and they sell enough to keep making more. I think it makes sense from the company perspective. Imo Emotiva is an amp company. And well, how often do amps change? They are not doing anything cutting edge in terms of new design as far as I know. These are tried and tested designs. So for them a new product shows up when it does. Unfortunately in terms of anything digital .... time really is important because standards are constantly changing. But for an amp company, probably not so much.
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Post by broncsrule21 on Mar 7, 2018 15:25:10 GMT -5
I am a Emotiva fan but not one of their processors have ever been released even remotely close to the projected date. Eg. UMC-1, XMC-1 etc. this is not new, no one should be surprised, and they sell enough to keep making more. I think it makes sense from the company perspective. Imo Emotiva is an amp company. And well, how often do amps change? They are not doing anything cutting edge in terms of new design as far as I know. These are tried and tested designs. So for them a new product shows up when it does. Unfortunately in terms of anything digital .... time really is important because standards are constantly changing. But for an amp company, probably not so much. I’ve had their processors and recievers. Sold them off. I will stick to their amps though. Solid as a rock.
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Post by 405x5 on Mar 7, 2018 15:44:03 GMT -5
I am a Emotiva fan but not one of their processors have ever been released even remotely close to the projected date. Eg. UMC-1, XMC-1 etc. this is not new, no one should be surprised, and they sell enough to keep making more. Yes, it was a long wait on the XMC, yet suddenly I’ve had the thing for three and a half years! What I got for the money was worth the wait time in spades. Bill
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Post by klinemj on Mar 7, 2018 15:46:37 GMT -5
I am a Emotiva fan but not one of their processors have ever been released even remotely close to the projected date. Eg. UMC-1, XMC-1 etc. this is not new, no one should be surprised, and they sell enough to keep making more. Yes, it was a long wait on the XMC, yet suddenly I’ve had the thing for three and a half years! What I got for the money was worth the wait time in spades. Bill Agree...love mine. Mark
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Post by legends on Mar 9, 2018 2:03:56 GMT -5
Yes, it was a long wait on the XMC, yet suddenly I’ve had the thing for three and a half years! What I got for the money was worth the wait time in spades. Bill Agree...love mine. Mark My wait was more like Hearts. Just sayin'
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Post by davidl81 on Mar 9, 2018 11:48:44 GMT -5
So looks like according to the podcast that was just posted the chips that are needed won't begin production till April, and it will be a few weeks after that that Emotiva gets them. Looks more like a May/June delivery date now. I wish it was sooner, but I honestly appreciate the transparency about what is really going on with production. Knowing what the issues are helps me feel good wating a few more months for the unit. It does look like the HDMI board will be ready soon though and they may make that late March delivery with those.
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 9, 2018 11:58:54 GMT -5
The status update on the RMC-1 in today's PodCast starts at the 4:20 mm:ss mark. Casey
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 9, 2018 13:00:33 GMT -5
Annotated PodCast notes: mm:ss | Notes | 4:20 | Start of the RMC-1 status update. | 5:05 | The ADI Sharc chips Emotiva has been using are pre-production. The production versions of the chips will enter production in April. Emotiva is ready st start production on RMC-1s as soon as they receive the official production chips ... but that'll be some time after April of course because pressing the "go button" on a Chip Fabrication just starts the process (5:35 mm:ss)[1]. Dan says that Emotiva is "first in line" for the production chips. | 5:54 | The 4K Video Board upgrade for the XMC-1 is done and is the same board as used in the RMC-1. Emotiva will be releasing those "very shortly" ... but also dependent on the ADI Shrac chip I believe. | 7:25 | Weekly updates coming on RMC-1 progress as the various milestones are passed.
| 8:15
| XMC-1 updates follow the RMC-1 launch immediately since the same parts are used. I can't quite tell if this is the XMC-1, gen2 updates, or the brand new XMC-1, Gen3[2] ...
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| The XPA DR1/2/3 are in high demand and they're not able to keep them in stock. They're currently running 5-7 days between the order and when the amplifier is built and shipped (9:35 mm:ss). They're working to improve that[3].
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| Emotiva likes the new web site design. Apparently the "back end" is working a lot better for them[4], so it's more than just a User Experience (UX) change.
| 11:00
| Emotiva is about to release a new HD-BaseT Transmitter/Receiver Pair which will allow much longer runs of 18Gb/s 4K HDMI. Up to 70m with Cat6 or Cat7. $399.
| 12:35
| The long sought after Rack Ears are going up on the site. $29 and up.
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| Emotiva will be showing the RMC-1 with 9.1.6 at Axpona 2018 (April 13-15, 2018).
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[1] In my experience, from the point where you press the "go button" on Chip Fabrication till the point where you receive completed packaged chips out the back end of the "Fab" can range from 6-8 weeks if no issues are found. And then there's testing those production chips to make sure that they still meet the specification and no new bugs have been introduced. This is one of the most tense times in chip development. Copious quantities of Tequila is often called for ... either for celebration or tears. [2] I still wish they'd call the new "XMC-1, Gen3" anything different. "RMC-lite", "Joe", "Yo-Mamma", ... anything ... [3] Frankly, from the standpoint of trying to maintain low inventories and fast just-in-time manufacturing, 5-7 days turn around sounds amazing to me. This sounds like a great [4] The "Back End" is the Database and Order Management/Tracking system. I've seen some complaints about the UX not working well on mobile platforms and difficulties finding resources like Firmware images, etc. Hopefully those issues will get addressed over the coming months. Casey
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Post by house72 on Mar 10, 2018 9:24:27 GMT -5
I upgraded from AV8802 to 8805, but still interested in RMC-1. When it gets released I will try it in my system to see any improvements and if so can sell my 8805 that time. In the mean time will enjoy what I have.
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Post by lonert on Mar 10, 2018 10:17:58 GMT -5
There is a new chip from Panasonic which is mentioned (06:25+) and 'talks' differently, and Ray swears at it instead. Interesting that there are still changes being made. Glad to hear (07:40+) that the 'long periods of darkness' are now being discussed. Cool.
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Post by cwt on Mar 10, 2018 12:25:08 GMT -5
There is a new chip from Panasonic which is mentioned (06:25+) and 'talks' differently, and Ray swears at it instead. Interesting that there are still changes being made. Glad to hear (07:40+) that the 'long periods of darkness' are now being discussed. Cool. Yes ; that's the hdmi board ; cant be easy getting a panasonic chipset talking to a texas instruments processor Thankfully we know the video passthrough is fine ; just the status reporting apparently but its not easy to overlay 2k? osd characters on a 4k video stream that has 4 month of Sundays HDR metadata too I imagine ...
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 11, 2018 13:06:18 GMT -5
By the way, now that we're in the final countdown, is there any possibility the official specifications of the RMC-1 and XMC-1, Gen3 can be released?
Casey
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Post by dwaleke on Mar 19, 2018 17:55:13 GMT -5
Annotated PodCast notes: mm:ss | Notes | 4:20 | Start of the RMC-1 status update. | 5:05 | The ADI Sharc chips Emotiva has been using are pre-production. The production versions of the chips will enter production in April. Emotiva is ready st start production on RMC-1s as soon as they receive the official production chips ... but that'll be some time after April of course because pressing the "go button" on a Chip Fabrication just starts the process (5:35 mm:ss)[1]. Dan says that Emotiva is "first in line" for the production chips. | 5:54 | The 4K Video Board upgrade for the XMC-1 is done and is the same board as used in the RMC-1. Emotiva will be releasing those "very shortly" ... but also dependent on the ADI Shrac chip I believe. | 7:25 | Weekly updates coming on RMC-1 progress as the various milestones are passed.
| 8:15
| XMC-1 updates follow the RMC-1 launch immediately since the same parts are used. I can't quite tell if this is the XMC-1, gen2 updates, or the brand new XMC-1, Gen3[2] ...
| 8:45
| The XPA DR1/2/3 are in high demand and they're not able to keep them in stock. They're currently running 5-7 days between the order and when the amplifier is built and shipped (9:35 mm:ss). They're working to improve that[3].
| 10:25
| Emotiva likes the new web site design. Apparently the "back end" is working a lot better for them[4], so it's more than just a User Experience (UX) change.
| 11:00
| Emotiva is about to release a new HD-BaseT Transmitter/Receiver Pair which will allow much longer runs of 18Gb/s 4K HDMI. Up to 70m with Cat6 or Cat7. $399.
| 12:35
| The long sought after Rack Ears are going up on the site. $29 and up.
| 13:25
| Emotiva will be showing the RMC-1 with 9.1.6 at Axpona 2018 (April 13-15, 2018).
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[1] In my experience, from the point where you press the "go button" on Chip Fabrication till the point where you receive completed packaged chips out the back end of the "Fab" can range from 6-8 weeks if no issues are found. And then there's testing those production chips to make sure that they still meet the specification and no new bugs have been introduced. This is one of the most tense times in chip development. Copious quantities of Tequila is often called for ... either for celebration or tears. Thank you for the summary. This new information should allow everyone to reset their expectations. While all the buzz was around spring time we now know end of summer/end of year is the more appropriate time frame assuming nothing else gets in the way. Lots of excitement for this thing.
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 19, 2018 18:14:33 GMT -5
So, at the 5:35 mm:ss point Lonnie states that ADI will be "starting production of the chips in April". So if we take the Worst Case Scenario, assume that they don't get started till the end of April, and that it take 90 days to see the first production chips, that puts them out in the August time-frame. But that's a Worst Case Scenario. A Best Case Scenario would have them start at the beginning of April and only take 6 weeks to see first production silicon, near the middle/end of May. Add in the Emotiva latency of pulling in those production chips, integrating them into their manufacturing and test cycle, and you have a minimum of two weeks, and more likely four additional weeks till first shipments. So this gives you a First Ship Window of [June, September]. I'm not trying to discourage anyone, but I am trying to inject just a bit of pragmatism gained from years in the Computer Industry shipping lots of products. And quite honestly, you really wouldn't want things going any faster: that would almost certainly involve cutting corners with resulting buggy products. Taking time to do things right will make everyone happy in the end. Casey
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Post by Lsc on Mar 19, 2018 18:29:48 GMT -5
Totally understand that extenuating circumstances can and will cause delays. And I get it, this isn’t life or death...it’s just audio gear.
It’s just funny because I really thought that THIS time they were going to meet their projected release timeframe. One would think that they would eventually learn from their mistakes. As a long time Emotiva owner (around 10 years) I’m always rooting for them.
Well maybe next time they’ll deliver on time. Emotiva is like the one buddy who has so many great attributes, but for whatever reason can never be on time. Usually 3rd time is the charm but in this case, maybe they’ll get it right on the XMC-1 gen3 that’s supposed to release right afterwards 😊.
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