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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 19, 2018 20:50:00 GMT -5
It's very hard to accurately judge schedules. Especially when you're beholden to another vendor. Especially when you're not big enough to push the other vendor around. Companies Like Apple, Google, Facebook, etc. wield so much power they can generally force other companies to fit their own schedule. And, if they need enough of some particular kind of part, they can just pull the manufacture of that part in house to have [near] 100% control over schedules.
As an observer from the outside, I think the biggest positive thing going forward for Emotiva in their favor for future schedules is what looks like a configurable/repurpose-able "platform" which will allow them to do incremental design and deployment. The XMC-1 was a good start, but seeing that the RMC-1 and the new XMC-1(gen3) — still a bad name — share many parts is a Good Thing™. And now that Emotiva has made the jump to a whole new level of DSP/SoC, and DAC and has Atmos done with full Dirac, that looks like a set of basics which should last for several generations with various DSP/SoC and DAC bumps. For instance, when HDMI 2.1 does make itself available, that should slip in relatively easily, as should HDMI 2.0b enhancements which various vendors are talking about.
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Post by jacketfan on Mar 19, 2018 21:48:28 GMT -5
Casey, your pragmatism is appreciated. My pessimism puts release more like Christmas, since I would be waiting on the XMC-1 gen3.
Disappointing for me, was really looking forward to joining the Emotiva family.
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 19, 2018 21:56:20 GMT -5
Well, if you need something now, then yeah, you'll need to go with something else.
Me, I've been living with my old DMC-1 for just over 10 years and it doesn't have any HDMI. I run HDMI directly from my Opponent UDP-203 to my Pioneer Plasma. And the only reason I got the Opportunity UDP-203 is so I can start buying UHD content for the distant time when I buy a new display.)
My needs are fairly simple with a 5.1 system in my living room. My main interest is in an improved set of DACs for audio. And I'll probably buy something like the new XPA-DR3 for my front Left/Center/Right for the same reason ...
I'm patient.
Casey
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Post by lonert on Mar 22, 2018 20:23:00 GMT -5
It's very hard to accurately judge schedules. Especially when you're beholden to another vendor. Especially when you're not big enough to push the other vendor around. Companies Like Apple, Google, Facebook, etc. wield so much power they can generally force other companies to fit their own schedule. And, if they need enough of some particular kind of part, they can just pull the manufacture of that part in house to have [near] 100% control over schedules.Apple, as an example, will not announce a product, unless and until they can deliver a million pieces through the retail channel. The only product that is not in this list currently is the $29 Battery-replacement for the 6s/6s+, where the demand is outstripping supply by at least 6+ weeks. Amazon and Walmart can also be added to your list of such behemoth companies. Imagination Technologies fall from grace with Apple is well documented. It is hard to predict if Qualcomm will end up in the same bucket as Nortel. Levis found out the hard way that dropping Walmart from their 'Signature' retailer list was hara-kiri, so they are back on the shelves at a price point that Walmart demands, not Levis. It is very interesting to watch such chess moves.
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 22, 2018 23:47:51 GMT -5
And it's also important to note that Apple had many supply/delivery hiccups in the early years. Their legendary ability to pretty much deliver whatever their customers want with very few backlogs came after many hard lessons.
Casey
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Post by Lsc on Mar 23, 2018 13:12:32 GMT -5
Let’s not compare Apple with Emotiva. Lol
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 23, 2018 13:41:35 GMT -5
I'm just pointing out that managing schedules for extremely large, complicated projects is hard.
I used to work at a company called Silicon Graphics, Inc. from 1993-2003. By 1996 when I was deeply involved in our IRIX Operating System, our customers generally liked our products (because they were, at the time, top of the market and allowed them to do things that they couldn't do otherwise), but they hated our random and uncoordinated OS release process. At one point, several major customers issues a Stop Buy for any SGI products because they felt they couldn't be supported adequately with 2, 3 or even 4 separate OS distributions for various platforms.
In order to fix the above problem we had to embrace PROCESS at a deep level. After a LOT of pain, we eventually developed a regular quarterly update release plan which ran across all hardware platforms. Internally we had to tame developers who wanted to commit their work before it was ready by saying "Wait until it's 100% ready. There's another train leaving that station every three months."
And I think that you can see other companies which have similarly adopted PROCESS at a deep level after having suffered through many product launch stumbles. Apple certainly did that for both hardware and software. Interestingly, NVIDIA seemed to adopt this philosophy right out of the gate.
To some, PROCESS is boring and annoying. But having lived through both styles of product development and launch, I can personally say that I LOVE PROCESS ... Life is a lot less crazy and everyone is happier.
Casey
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 23, 2018 14:40:08 GMT -5
By the way, as I noted in a private message recently, while I applaud Emotiva's desire to provide us with a weekly update, having been involved in way more years of systems development than I'm comfortable admitting to, I know that many of them would amount to "we're one week further along between points A and B". (The military used to have a saying for this: "Hurry up and wait.") Often things just take time and no amount of wishing for news will change the inherent latency of the process.
On the other hand, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing a few teaser videos showing off RMC-1 capabilities/specifications/etc. while we wait ... :-)
Casey
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Post by jcz06 on Mar 23, 2018 15:00:47 GMT -5
By the way, as I noted in a private message recently, while I applaud Emotiva's desire to provide us with a weekly update, having been involved in way more years of systems development than I'm comfortable admitting to, I know that many of them would amount to "we're one week further along between points A and B". (The military used to have a saying for this: "Hurry up and wait.") Often things just take time and no amount of wishing for news will change the inherent latency of the process. On the other hand, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing a few teaser videos showing off RMC-1 capabilities/specifications/etc. while we wait ... :-) Casey Go to Axpona in 3 weeks and you can see it in 9.1.6 action
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Post by supermac on Mar 23, 2018 15:07:44 GMT -5
Anyone know the part number/type of the ADI Sharc chips?
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Post by klinemj on Mar 23, 2018 15:08:38 GMT -5
By the way, as I noted in a private message recently, while I applaud Emotiva's desire to provide us with a weekly update, having been involved in way more years of systems development than I'm comfortable admitting to, I know that many of them would amount to "we're one week further along between points A and B". (The military used to have a saying for this: "Hurry up and wait.") Often things just take time and no amount of wishing for news will change the inherent latency of the process. On the other hand, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing a few teaser videos showing off RMC-1 capabilities/specifications/etc. while we wait ... :-) Casey Go to Axpona in 3 weeks and you can see it in 9.1.6 action I expect a full Axpona report from you, Scott, and Randy! Wish I could join, but it's busy season for my daughter's soccer. Mark
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Post by mgbpuff on Mar 23, 2018 15:25:50 GMT -5
Anyone know the part number/type of the ADI Sharc chips? ADSP-SC573
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Post by jcz06 on Mar 23, 2018 15:43:22 GMT -5
Go to Axpona in 3 weeks and you can see it in 9.1.6 action I expect a full Axpona report from you, Scott, and Randy! Wish I could join, but it's busy season for my daughter's soccer. Mark Will do, it won't be as good as yours but I will try .....
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 23, 2018 16:00:46 GMT -5
Anyone know the part number/type of the ADI Sharc chips? ADSP-SC573 Here's the ADSP-SC573 Datasheet. Casey
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 23, 2018 16:39:42 GMT -5
By the way, as I noted in a private message recently, while I applaud Emotiva's desire to provide us with a weekly update, having been involved in way more years of systems development than I'm comfortable admitting to, I know that many of them would amount to "we're one week further along between points A and B". Per the last podcast they were changing to a milestone update approach - basically your A and B. This is the correct way of tracking a project or program, and if there's nothing of interest in the weekly updates, those updates would simply be whether they are red, yellow, or green in terms of being on track for hitting their next milestone's date. However, I would imagine their intent for the weekly updates was more for the V3 board because it is so close, which makes sense, and that they really weren't planning on doing that for the RMC or XMC3 since they are much further out. If they were going to do weekly for those, that is fine too, just use the above methodology.
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Post by pedrocols on Mar 23, 2018 16:43:22 GMT -5
This thread is so useless.
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 23, 2018 16:46:05 GMT -5
This thread is so useless. Now that is funny.
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Post by mgbpuff on Mar 24, 2018 7:18:06 GMT -5
I just perused through the Stereophile recommended components issue and it saddens me. I realize that in my retirement I can only afford only 10% of anything they list. This hobby is getting beyond me more and more. So I can wait for Emotiva to come out with a state of the art processor for a state of affordability price. I'll suffer with 7.2.4 Atmos until I can have an Emotiva 7.2.6 processor - ain't that hell!
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Post by chicagorspec on Mar 24, 2018 8:37:53 GMT -5
Go to Axpona in 3 weeks and you can see it in 9.1.6 action I expect a full Axpona report from you, Scott, and Randy! Wish I could join, but it's busy season for my daughter's soccer. Mark If it’s coming from me, so long as you don’t expect anything up to your Emofest notes standards, we might be OK!
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Post by pedrocols on Mar 24, 2018 11:06:07 GMT -5
This thread is so useless. Now that is funny. Funny and true...
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