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Post by AudioHTIT on Jan 19, 2018 18:35:36 GMT -5
... Here's my 2 cents plain and simple for this new XMC-1 Gen 3, in order of importance to me. Start with what it is now in this prototype, and then:
- Add back (1) RCA analog line level record output (I mean really, why are we even discussing this, how costly could it be?)
- Add back (1) set of RCA analog 7.1 inputs
- Add back (1) Zone 3 output
If more space is required to do this, remove 2 of the digital inputs (1 toslink and 1 RCA), or even 4 (2 toslink and 2 RCA) if absolutely necessary [assuming they are completeley assignable, which means there would still be at least 4 usable digital inputs]..... I’m still with you on the tape outs, and I’d give up a couple of digital inputs for them. Again though there never was a Zone 3, as I explained a few pages back ... emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/923922/thread |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 20, 2018 16:57:38 GMT -5
... Here's my 2 cents plain and simple for this new XMC-1 Gen 3, in order of importance to me. Start with what it is now in this prototype, and then:
- Add back (1) RCA analog line level record output (I mean really, why are we even discussing this, how costly could it be?)
- Add back (1) set of RCA analog 7.1 inputs
- Add back (1) Zone 3 output
If more space is required to do this, remove 2 of the digital inputs (1 toslink and 1 RCA), or even 4 (2 toslink and 2 RCA) if absolutely necessary [assuming they are completeley assignable, which means there would still be at least 4 usable digital inputs]..... I’m still with you on the tape outs, and I’d give up a couple of digital inputs for them. Again though there never was a Zone 3, as I explained a few pages back ... emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/923922/threadI was just referring to how Emotiva labeled them on the back of the XMC-1 Gen 2. As you pointed out, how they actually work isn't what many would consider true Zone 2 and Zone 3. I just want it back, that's all. I'd like to see dual RCA and XLR outputs back too, but that's certainly a loosing battle. And there is a work around for that, which is to buy splitters if you need dual output. There isn't a good work around for lack of an analog record out or 7.1 in. |
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Post by jacketfan on Jan 20, 2018 20:16:48 GMT -5
I'm still in the same camp with bonzo. I was just looking at the new Marantz 7704. Looks like they kept most if, not all of the inputs and outputs being discussed. And it is not even the flagship. Regarding 7.1 inputs. Why wouldn't someone want to compare the DACs in their OPPO to the Emotiva. Or compare DIRAC in the Emotiva to the OPPO with no processing. I know I would like that capability. I know I don't use all of the inputs and outputs, but why delete them? Surely it can't be cost. And I don't think it is additional boards. Maybe Keith can tell me I am wrong, or someone that knows more. But at $2k for the Marantz, it can't cost much to keep what is already there.  Quite frankly, the reason I am looking at the Emotiva is because it is manufactured in the USA. For those that are conspiracy theorists, maybe the reason Emotiva is deleting the 7.1 inputs is because they don't want anyone comparing an external d to a conversion to their product. |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Jan 20, 2018 20:46:22 GMT -5
I don't think so (7.1 input deletion). Personally, I don't see a need for them, and I'm guessing 98% of owners don't either.
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Post by socketman on Jan 20, 2018 21:08:32 GMT -5
The next gen XMC-1 looks awesome, i will have to test the waters and see what i can get for current XMC-1 .
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Post by hemster on Jan 20, 2018 21:09:55 GMT -5
The next gen XMC-1 looks awesome, i will have to test the waters and see what i can get for current XMC-1 . We're in the same boat. I think I'll hold off for an RMC-1 however. |
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Post by novisnick on Jan 20, 2018 21:20:43 GMT -5
The next gen XMC-1 looks awesome, i will have to test the waters and see what i can get for current XMC-1 . We're in the same boat. I think I'll hold off for an RMC-1 however. Im with ya !  |
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Post by socketman on Jan 20, 2018 21:35:16 GMT -5
Yes my room is too small and so is my bank account, the RMC just has more of everything than what i need. It will take some real arguing with me, myself and I before i can find some reasonable justification for this purchase. I really want a set of aluminum heads for my truck oh the agony of being lower middle class though im still feeling better than the unfortunate soul i gave money to on the street today.
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Post by kybourbon on Jan 20, 2018 21:38:56 GMT -5
I'm casually in the market for a xmc-1 if the price is right. Send me a pm.
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Post by cwt on Jan 21, 2018 0:23:49 GMT -5
Regarding 7.1 inputs. Why wouldn't someone want to compare the DACs in their OPPO to the Emotiva. Or compare DIRAC in the Emotiva to the OPPO with no processing. I know I would like that capability. I know I don't use all of the inputs and outputs, but why delete them? Surely it can't be cost. And I don't think it is additional boards. Maybe Keith can tell me I am wrong, or someone that knows more. For those that are conspiracy theorists, maybe the reason Emotiva is deleting the 7.1 inputs is because they don't want anyone comparing an external d to a conversion to their product. No problem ; just feed your oppo multi analogs into your power amp as many do ; no dirac .. I can see how those who have paid $$ for a 205 ;105 could really want 7.1 ins but consider the higher % that bought the 103/203 with a not so fancy analog stage . I think the XMC1 DAC and analog stages may easily suffice  A good analog stage costs money as the 205 shows .. At a guess the more analog ins ; the more adc conversions are needed and these all add up as they are grafted onto the digital circuitry ; then they have to be shielded from the emi/rf . I can see why many prefer to have separate 2ch systems for the low pre amp level analog signals that need to be protected from digital hash . I was going to suggest the Yamaha 5100 pre pro to Bonzo for its comprehensive dsp modes but alas even that doesn't have analog record outs  |
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Post by goozoo on Jan 21, 2018 2:14:53 GMT -5
Any release date announced for the gen3 XMC1?
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jan 21, 2018 16:29:12 GMT -5
Hhmmm, looks like the XMC-1, Gen3 will have some competition that may grab Bonzo's eye. Sound and Vision just reported on the new Marantz AV8805 also using the AK4490, 13 channels, and HDMI 2.1 ... Apparently available late February for $4499. And another interesting competitor coming in from Storm Audio ... 16-32 channels. But Bonzo would absolutely hate to lack of inputs ... Casey |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jan 21, 2018 19:45:10 GMT -5
Hhmmm, looks like the XMC-1, Gen3 will have some competition that may grab Bonzo 's eye. Sound and Vision just reported on the new Marantz AV8805 also using the AK4490, 13 channels, and HDMI 2.1 ... Apparently available late February for $4499. And another interesting competitor coming in from Storm Audio ... 16-32 channels. But Bonzo would absolutely hate to lack of inputs ... Casey I don't see how the StormAudio ISP 3D.16 ELITE at $13800 (MSRP) is a competitor for the the XMC-1 Gen 3 or even the RMC-1. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jan 21, 2018 21:59:07 GMT -5
I thought it was closer to $7K. Still way more than the new XMC-1, Gen3 is likely to cost, so maybe it’s closer to an RMC-1 competitor ...
Casey
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jan 22, 2018 0:58:05 GMT -5
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Post by adaboy on Jan 22, 2018 2:58:33 GMT -5
Hhmmm, looks like the XMC-1, Gen3 will have some competition that may grab Bonzo's eye. Sound and Vision just reported on the new Marantz AV8805 also using the AK4490, 13 channels, and HDMI 2.1 ... Apparently available late February for $4499. Casey Oh sweet! This is great news and on my list now! Thanks for the link |
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Post by cwt on Jan 22, 2018 5:30:22 GMT -5
I thought it was closer to $7K. Still way more than the new XMC-1, Gen3 is likely to cost, so maybe it’s closer to an RMC-1 competitor ... Casey The interesting capability of the Storm 16 is its capability to be upgraded to 20/32 channels ; something the trinnov altitude 16 for instance ; cant . Which makes the RMC1 channel capabilities all the more pertinent with its expansion bays as its not a dolby restriction ... Or even the XMC1 V3 ? |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 22, 2018 11:39:45 GMT -5
And another interesting competitor coming in from Storm Audio ... 16-32 channels. But Bonzo would absolutely hate to lack of inputs ... Casey I don't see how the StormAudio ISP 3D.16 ELITE at $13800 (MSRP) is a competitor for the the XMC-1 Gen 3 or even the RMC-1. Hence why I'm not even speaking up about such an animal. I want something in my price range that has these relatively inexpensive features. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 22, 2018 12:09:40 GMT -5
I don't think so (7.1 input deletion). Personally, I don't see a need for them, and I'm guessing 98% of owners don't either. Well I find it interesting that the last couple Sound & Vision issues have complained basically about the same thing I am. And they even got feedback agreeing with them. So I'd be willing to say I think your 98% is not exactly accurate, and probably not even close. Of course that depends on who you ask. But this, like many other forums, is not really a good take on reality either. When you do a poll here you'd be lucky to get 50 votes, let alone even 100. I'm really not sure about the 7.1 inputs in terms of added cost (that could be complicated I dunno), but when it comes to 1 set of analog RCA outputs, no one is going to sell me that it really costs much to implement. No way. I'm not just disappointed with Emotiva, it's every where and every company (Actually with the XMC-1 Emotiva held on longer than others). And why do you really think that is? Because people don't want or need it? Nope, that's not it. It's the same reason it became against the law for manufactures to produce Blu-ray players with analog component outputs - to stop making it super easy for us consumers to make video recordings in the analog world. Once it's only available in the all digital world, they have control and we've lost our privileges. In the same way, they are slowly taking analog audio control away from us, and people are just going along with it like lemmings. Sooner than later, all we'll have is HDMI (or some future digital connection), and then analog will be over. It reminds me so much of sci-fi movies. People just let their rights float away and no one seems to even care. What ever. |
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Post by flamingeye on Jan 22, 2018 12:20:57 GMT -5
but it's not a sifi movie our right's have been getting striped for decades , but thats out of the context of this thread
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A good analog stage costs money as the 205 shows ..
