OPPO Says Farewell...

[chicagorspec]

I know. I said that...

[davidl81]

Apr 2, 2018 22:24:42 GMT -5 cawgijoe said:

Apr 2, 2018 21:50:12 GMT -5 repeetavx said:

Wow, what a shock. My 93 stills works just as perfectly as it did the day I bought it.

I was planning on moving up to 4K once the technology matured. Looking forward to a 213 or 303 player. But now, with Blu-Ray stalling, I don't see any reason to upgrade from my 93 and 1080p anytime in the foreseeable future.

Goodbye OPPO Blu-Ray players, death of a legend.

From what I have read, 4k bluray is selling well.

4K disc are over performing expectations right now.  I see a few reasons for this.
1). PQ is just better than a 4K stream option (compression needed to stream 4K is tough)
2). Bandwidth use for 4K streaming is high.  Some consumers internet’s is just not fast enough.  Other people are hitting data caps.
3). Lack of high quality audio via streaming.  I have Atmos but when I stream the best I can get is 5.1

[Loop 7]

Appears the Oppo Digital division (located just a few miles from where I live) is tiny compared to their smartphone division which is massive.

Data below is 2016 and another source reports Oppo sold nearly 100 million smartphones in 2017.

[Boomzilla]

And Oppo's "exit - stage right" opens doors of opportunity for other manufacturers. It wouldn't be too hard for a Sony , Pioneer, Denon, or even Samsung to step right into Oppo's shoes and capture the "high-end" disc player market. Obviously, companies that already make disc players will be closer to market than those who don't, but it isn't inconceivable that an Emotiva or a Parasound could jump into the niche abandoned by Oppo... How about it, Dan?

[doc1963]

Apr 2, 2018 21:34:42 GMT -5 supermac said:

Wow. Hard to believe. But I do remember at emofest back in Franklin that Dan said, no need to enter the dvd market with Oppo doing it so well. Well, ??

Funny, but I had the same thoughts. Maybe an opportunity for Jade to purchase the IP outright for the 203 and keep it going. Maybe hire that outstanding support team as well. Don’t have any idea how expensive or feasible that would be, but if not Jade, hopefully someone steps up to the plate.

I was curiously looking at alternatives to my 203 and, without the new Panasonic units being released in the US, I’m not too thrilled with any of them. I already own a Sony UBP-X800 and, for the use that it gets, it’s longevity is already questionable. For me, one thing is certain, the Oppo offerings will be missed in my home.

Whether you’re an Oppo fan or not, these seem to have been the players to which all others are judged. I sincerely hope that someone picks up and carries the torch...

[cawgijoe]

I would love to see Emotiva take over Oppo’s high end disc player slot.
How feasible is that?
I can see them making an excellent machine, but the real challenge will be in support, thinking of timely firmware updates. Oppo was on the ball keeping up with playback issues with new releases.
Is this something Emotiva would want to or have the bandwidth to do?
The higher end 4k bluray arena is also a niche product area.
Would they be able to sell enough product to make it worthwhile?

[pedrocols]

Never had and Oppp never will. Moreover, I wouldn't even consider spending this kind of money in Disc Player. I remember when vha players hit the market. Do you remember how much they were?

[KeithL]

My family owned one of the earliest "home" VHS recorders.

I'm pretty sure it was made by RCA.
It was about the size of one of our XPA Gen3 Amps, weighed about as much, and cost right around $1000.
To insert the tape you pressed the button, and a sort of elevator popped up out of the top of the deck; you inserted the tape in the side and pushed it down.
It was built like a tank, weighed about as much, and ran for years.
And,no, it didn't get a great picture... but, at the time, it was the only real option out there.
(Sony Beta recorders used smaller tapes, and had a better picture, but there were almost no pre-recorded tapes available to play on them.)

Apr 3, 2018 8:00:09 GMT -5 pedrocols said:

Never had and Oppp never will. Moreover, I wouldn't even consider spending this kind of money in Disc Player. I remember when vha players hit the market. Do you remember how much they were?

[405x5]

Apr 2, 2018 17:42:18 GMT -5 LuisV said:

It has been 14 years since we established OPPO Digital in the United States, and with the support of our customers, technical partners, and movie/music studios, we produced many award-winning Hi-Fi audio products and universal disc players, spanning three generations from DVD, Blu-ray, to 4K UHD.

As our latest 4K UHD players reach the pinnacle of their performance, it is time to say goodbye. We are proud to have made such well-regarded products and to have served the enthusiast community. Without our customers' suggestions, encouragement, and support, we could not have accomplished these achievements.

www.oppodigital.com/farewell.aspx

Yeah, I’m not surprised by this.
Oppo first came to my attention from being here while waiting to take delivery on an XMC-1.
That’s when I realized OPPO has a huge fan base amongst Emotiva consumers, for whatever reason. Were it not for that, I’m not sure I would have ever heard of the brand.
After an awful experience with an overpriced Marantz player, I stick with Sony and Samsung, (one of each in the system).
I need only a solid transport, and use the DAC in the XMC via HDMI.
I have found players in general to be perhaps, the shortest lived components in the system, therefore, I don’t care to spend too much on them.

Bill

[KeithL]

Oppo's MAIN business worldwide is smart phones.

Disc sales in general are on the decline... and many other brands deliver an excellent picture for a lot lower price (for those of us who still want discs).

Apr 2, 2018 17:53:29 GMT -5 cullenhall said:

What on earth are they going to make if they don't make any new products? Does the company make any other products?

[jeff1912]

Apr 2, 2018 17:53:29 GMT -5 cullenhall said:

What on earth are they going to make if they don't make any new products? Does the company make any other products?

They own OnePlus which was a secrect until it wasn't..

[cawgijoe]

Apr 3, 2018 8:18:39 GMT -5 KeithL said:

My family owned one of the earliest "home" VHS recorders.

I'm pretty sure it was made by RCA.
It was about the size of one of our XPA Gen3 Amps, weighed about as much, and cost right around $1000.
To insert the tape you pressed the button, and a sort of elevator popped up out of the top of the deck; you inserted the tape in the side and pushed it down.
It was built like a tank, weighed about as much, and ran for years.
And,no, it didn't get a great picture... but, at the time, it was the only real option out there.
(Sony Beta recorders used smaller tapes, and had a better picture, but there were almost no pre-recorded tapes available to play on them.)

Apr 3, 2018 8:00:09 GMT -5 pedrocols said:

Never had and Oppp never will. Moreover, I wouldn't even consider spending this kind of money in Disc Player. I remember when vha players hit the market. Do you remember how much they were?

Keith....this was the first player I ever owned! Bought it when I graduated college. I bought it with a loan through the store in order to establish credit. It was a beast. It actually ran problem free for years. I ended up giving it to my brother in law and he used it for a few years before it finally died. $1k was a huge amount back then. It was so cool though.

[cawgijoe]

Apr 3, 2018 8:00:09 GMT -5 pedrocols said:

Never had and Oppp never will. Moreover, I wouldn't even consider spending this kind of money in Disc Player. I remember when vha players hit the market. Do you remember how much they were?

I thought the same thing. Then I went through two Sony bluray players. Both “died” because Sony refused to update the firmware.
I had a Sony DVP-1000ES that I bought new from Best Buy when they were being closed out. Had. Five year warranty. One day it would not recognize discs. Sent it in for repair. They told me there was nothing wrong with it. Had to fight them to replace the laser mechanism. Many hours on the phone.
Found Oppo and they have been terrific. I spent as much on lousy, cheap bluray players as I did on my Oppo.
Also, my blood pressure has been a lot lower with the Oppo.

[mountain]

Yea, same here, love my 105, I use it for all music disc formats, Blu-ray, dvd, and usb dac for tidal/Roon.  I have even used usb on the front.  I use, 7.1 analog out, two channel analog out, and hdmi.  It has been worth every penny with absolutely no problems.

[monkumonku]

I got you all beat - I'm still using the BDP-83 that I purchased in early 2009. It has been repaired once, and I've received nothing but excellent support from Oppo. It still runs fine after all these years and I have certainly got my money's worth. Before that, I had a Sony that was a piece of junk in comparison.

Some are suggesting Emo now step in and fill the niche that is being vacated, or that some other manufacturer do so. I say there's a reason Oppo is exiting the market and while it would be nice for Emo to fill those shoes, they'd be crazy to do so. It's a dying market. If Emo didn't go through with making turntables and didn't go through with tube amps, why should they make expensive BD players? Sure there's a market but it's a declining one. That's why Oppo is getting out now.

[vcautokid]

Well it is about declining sales of certain technologies no doubt. What is changing is how we enjoy content. So I am saddened Opportunity is leaving, but I am not surprised.

[diablo561]

I still have an original BDP-83SE. That's Oppo's hot rodded version with an upgraded power supply and ESS Sabre DACS. It has been in once to get the loader replaced (they had an issue with those)one day turn around plus shipping time,which was out of warranty and cost 79.00 I use it regularly and its flawless still. It was expensive but well worth it in my opinion.

[Bonzo]

Apr 3, 2018 10:09:54 GMT -5 monkumonku said:

I say there's a reason Oppo is exiting the market... It's a dying market. Sure there's a market but it's a declining one. That's why Oppo is getting out now.

Well I find the "now" timing a bit odd myself. "Now" is bad timing if you ask me. 4K hasn't even hit its stride yet. The new 203 and 205 players haven't been around very long. Better timing would have been before spending the time and money designing and producing these new players. Better timing would be to just keep making the 203 and 205 until sales drop off to the point past their desired profit margin. Although perhaps that's what they are doing. The release says they won't be making any new products. The 203 and 205 are technically not new. So do they mean "new new" products? Like there won't be a 213 or 215 in the future? Will the 203 and 205 remain in production for years to come? Or are they just stopping manufacturing now? If its the latter, then I say bad timing, that is unless they have already hit that minimal profit margin level, now. Which would be a bad sign for the future of 4K discs if you ask me.

[rbk123]

Apr 3, 2018 8:57:13 GMT -5 cawgijoe said:

Apr 3, 2018 8:00:09 GMT -5 pedrocols said:

Never had and Oppp never will. Moreover, I wouldn't even consider spending this kind of money in Disc Player. I remember when vha players hit the market. Do you remember how much they were?

I thought the same thing. Then I went through two Sony bluray players. Both “died” because Sony refused to update the firmware.
I had a Sony DVP-1000ES that I bought new from Best Buy when they were being closed out. Had. Five year warranty. One day it would not recognize discs. Sent it in for repair. They told me there was nothing wrong with it. Had to fight them to replace the laser mechanism. Many hours on the phone.
Found Oppo and they have been terrific. I spent as much on lousy, cheap bluray players as I did on my Oppo.
Also, my blood pressure has been a lot lower with the Oppo.

A buddy of mine bought his premium priced Oppo for BR back in the day. He couldn't believe me when I told him I bought a Samsung BR for ~1/8 the price at $70 from Costco. 6 mo's ago, I bought another (for a 2nd room) for $50. Both work fine, no issues and the picture and audio is just as good coming out of my XMC and MC700. I don't need or desire the analog outs and DACs, that's for Bonzo.
I would have zero appetite for an Emo player for the same reasons.

[jmilton]

And why nix their fine headphones? That’s still a viable market place product.