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Post by davidl81 on Apr 14, 2018 18:51:00 GMT -5
So the XMC-1 Gen 3 will be $3499 according to Big Dan. If that's the case I don't see the point on getting the XMC-1 Gen 2 for $2999 fully loaded then. I may end moving my XMC-1 Gen 2 to the bedroom and getting a XMC-1 Gen 3 for the living room, though. I don’t see the fully loaded XMC-1 G2 going back on sale (or if it does it will be very shortly) again. I couldn’t imagine buying one when I know the G3 will be out very shortly. |
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Post by Bonzo on Apr 14, 2018 20:05:31 GMT -5
So the XMC-1 Gen 3 will be $3499 according to Big Dan. If that's the case I don't see the point on getting the XMC-1 Gen 2 for $2999 fully loaded then. I may end moving my XMC-1 Gen 2 to the bedroom and getting a XMC-1 Gen 3 for the living room, though. I don’t see the fully loaded XMC-1 G2 going back on sale (or if it does it will be very shortly) again. I couldn’t imiamge buying one when I know the G3 will be out very shortly. And there in lies the rub why people could most easily feel Emotiva has purposely strung them along with the G2 upgrade, that was, supposed to be, or at least very strongly implied, to be available a year ago now. While its most certainly business related, the issue of whether it was done on blatant purpose or it just happened due to things out of their hands is debatable. Highly debatable. The opinions between blue koolaiders and Bonzomites will vary greatly. Whether it be fortunate or unfortunate, my INTJ personality sees right through the koolaide bull schiit. Always has. The fact that the upgrade will come after the RMC-1 and quite possibly after the XMC-1 Gen 3 says a lot to me. Just sayin. |
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Post by Bonzo on Apr 14, 2018 20:10:59 GMT -5
But, wow, this is really the wrong thread to be discussing such a topic. This is supposed to be about the show, not the usual talks that get threads locked around here.
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Post by niuguy on Apr 14, 2018 22:35:11 GMT -5
The coolest thing I saw today was the DC-2 stack! Should have grabbed a photo  |
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Post by novisnick on Apr 14, 2018 22:41:01 GMT -5
The coolest thing I saw today was the DC-2 stack! Should have grabbed a photo Are the lights as bright as they seem in the photo on instagram? Are they dimmable? Shoulf have just grabbed it,,,,,,,,,,and ran like hell! LOL |
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Post by Bridger on Apr 14, 2018 23:13:27 GMT -5
So the XMC-1 Gen 3 will be $3499 according to Big Dan. If that's the case I don't see the point on getting the XMC-1 Gen 2 for $2999 fully loaded then. I may end moving my XMC-1 Gen 2 to the bedroom and getting a XMC-1 Gen 3 for the living room, though. I don’t see the fully loaded XMC-1 G2 going back on sale (or if it does it will be very shortly) again. I couldn’t imagine buying one when I know the G3 will be out very shortly. It's back on sale now. |
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Post by niuguy on Apr 14, 2018 23:19:40 GMT -5
The coolest thing I saw today was the DC-2 stack! Should have grabbed a photo Are the lights as bright as they seem in the photo on instagram? Are they dimmable? Shoulf have just grabbed it,,,,,,,,,,and ran like hell! LOL They didn't strike me as crazy bright. Gotta remember that when taking photos in low light cameras crank that ISO so light sources look much brighter than IRL. I have a DC-1 so I wanted the little monoblocks! |
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Post by vcautokid on Apr 15, 2018 0:32:51 GMT -5
Now would be cool if you had an RGB color level and choice. Your Emotiva really would be yours like none other.
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Post by davidl81 on Apr 15, 2018 0:47:09 GMT -5
I don’t see the fully loaded XMC-1 G2 going back on sale (or if it does it will be very shortly) again. I couldn’t imagine buying one when I know the G3 will be out very shortly. It's back on sale now. I guess what I was meaning was fully loaded with Atmos board. But I’m happy to see Emo putting these out again because it means the HDMI boards are in full production. |
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Post by Lsc on Apr 15, 2018 17:12:38 GMT -5
Went back today and saw the XMR-1. This probably going to be my future vs. getting the XMC-1 gen3.
It looks like exactly what I need!
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 15, 2018 18:41:03 GMT -5
Have I got this right ...................... the XMC-1 Gen2 and Gen3, the XMC-1 and the RMC-1 all have the same HDMI 4K board (that's video) and the same Atmos/DTSX board (that's audio). So the additional cost (of the XMC-1 Gen3, the RMC-1 and the XMR-1) is in how many channels they have. Be it balanced XLR versus non balanced RCA and/or the total number of channels. Seems like a lot of additional cost for not much more, in fact a total waste of money for those that can't/don't want to use the extra channels. I did miss something, DIRAC is faster, well, of course, that explains the $extra  Cheers Gary |
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 15, 2018 18:54:18 GMT -5
I don’t see the fully loaded XMC-1 G2 going back on sale (or if it does it will be very shortly) again. I couldn’t imiamge buying one when I know the G3 will be out very shortly. And there in lies the rub why people could most easily feel Emotiva has purposely strung them along with the G2 upgrade, that was, supposed to be, or at least very strongly implied, to be available a year ago now. While its most certainly business related, the issue of whether it was done on blatant purpose or it just happened due to things out of their hands is debatable. Highly debatable. The opinions between blue koolaiders and Bonzomites will vary greatly. Whether it be fortunate or unfortunate, my INTJ personality sees right through the koolaide bull schiit. Always has. The fact that the upgrade will come after the RMC-1 and quite possibly after the XMC-1 Gen 3 says a lot to me. Just sayin. OMG I think am fast becoming a Bonzomite I'm having trouble stomaching the fact that new products like the XMC-1 Gen 3 and the RMC-1 and the XMR-1 are getting the Atmos/DTSX board before the XMC-1. That existing owners/customers, who have waited for over a year, are being made to wait even longer just so that the new products can be released first. Spin it how they like, that's a fact. Could be enough to make any Kool Aid drinker angry .............  Cheers Gary |
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Post by Lsc on Apr 15, 2018 19:04:57 GMT -5
Have I got this right ...................... the XMC-1 Gen2 and Gen3, the XMC-1 and the RMC-1 all have the same HDMI 4K board (that's video) and the same Atmos/DTSX board (that's audio). So the additional cost (of the XMC-1 Gen3, the RMC-1 and the XMR-1) is in how many channels they have. Be it balanced XLR versus non balanced RCA and/or the total number of channels. Seems like a lot of additional cost for not much more, in fact a total waste of money for those that can't/don't want to use the extra channels. I did miss something, DIRAC is faster, well, of course, that explains the $extra Cheers Gary The XMC-1 gen2 is not the same as far as the processor is concerned but the XMC-1 gen3 and RMC-1 do share the same architecture as Lonnie confirmed today. What a great guy he is - just a straight shooter with tons of knowledge. But yes, if you never want to do Atmos and you have the XMC-1 gen2, just upgrading your HDMI board when you need to seems like the best solution. I’ll take the XMR-1 with 200 wpc x 11 and preouts for the front 3 channels. If I want to hook up my XPR-2 to the main 2 channels and have the XMR-1 power the center, surrounds and Atmos channels. I may need to get something for the center as well. I’ll predict right here on 4/15/2018 that this is going to be the game changing product. Looking forward to fall/winter this year for its eminent release. I shared my enthusiasm in person with Lonnie and even took a picture with him lol. (maybe he will ask me to beta test haha) |
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Post by Loop 7 on Apr 15, 2018 19:23:40 GMT -5
I'm interested to see how rapidly the RMC-1 is adopted by the installer community.
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Post by rbk123 on Apr 15, 2018 19:46:46 GMT -5
Could be enough to make any Kook Aid drinker angry ............. Hmmmm.... Freudian typo or new nickname to add to the lexicon? Enquiring minds want to know. |
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Post by vcautokid on Apr 15, 2018 19:58:36 GMT -5
I think the Receiver is super exciting. No one has anything like it. The DC-2 has me very interested. Totally different than DC-1. Is there a DC-2 in my future. It is kind funny but I keep thinking Airplanes with these numbers. Say like a mighty DC-3.
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Post by overtheair on Apr 15, 2018 20:31:54 GMT -5
Have I got this right ...................... the XMC-1 Gen2 and Gen3, the XMC-1 and the RMC-1 all have the same HDMI 4K board (that's video) and the same Atmos/DTSX board (that's audio). So the additional cost (of the XMC-1 Gen3, the RMC-1 and the XMR-1) is in how many channels they have. Be it balanced XLR versus non balanced RCA and/or the total number of channels. Seems like a lot of additional cost for not much more, in fact a total waste of money for those that can't/don't want to use the extra channels. I did miss something, DIRAC is faster, well, of course, that explains the $extra Cheers Gary The XMC-1 gen2 is not the same as far as the processor is concerned but the XMC-1 gen3 and RMC-1 do share the same architecture as Lonnie confirmed today ... Are you sure Lonnie clearly stated that the Atmos upgrade for XMC-1 Gen 2 uses a different processor to the RMC-1 or am I misunderstanding your comment? Or was he stating that the XMC-1 Atmos upgrade uses a different processor to the original TI DSP? The original XMC-1 platform uses Texas Instruments DSPs but the new Atmos platform for RMC-1 use Analog Devices and based on various podcasts it seems that both XMC-1 Gen 3 and the upgrade board for current XMC-1 customers will either use the same board or something based on the RMC-1 DSP board as Gary stated. I explored a lot of this back in January in my "Emotiva Preprocessor Roadmap Speculation" thread and specifically in this post with the following info sourced from the following podcasts. - May 2016 was first reference to replacing XMC-1 Gen 2 processing with something that has "more DSP horsepower"
- June 2017 stated RMC-1 and XMC-1 would "share decoder boards" So only ADI chips used not TI. I am assuming this reference was to what everyone understood XMC-1 to be at that time which was Gen 2.
- August 2017 stated XMC-1 would have the "same basic board set" with "essentially the same" decoder as RMC-1. It most likely means an identical board is used in XMC-1 Gen 2 and XMC-1 Gen 3 as well as RMC-1; it doesn't mean all features/capabilities of RMC-1 would necessarily be offered at the lower price points though because of product differentiation reasons, even if the hardware is capable. It is possible that with potentially lighter processing loads for XMC-1 solutions (fewer channels, lower sample rate Dirac) that the board might only be populated with one DSP chip, or with lower performing-lower price parts from the same ADI chip family. The potential savings would have to make sense though versus just having one sku of the board.
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Post by Lsc on Apr 15, 2018 20:34:22 GMT -5
You may be right. I’m not 100% about the xmc-1 gen2 upgrade.
What I have heard was that the XMC-1 gen3 and RMC share the same architecture.
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Post by gus4emo on Apr 15, 2018 21:02:25 GMT -5
Hey everyone, this is the official Axpona 2018 thread! Would like to know about budget 4k projectors thanks..... |
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Post by overtheair on Apr 15, 2018 21:08:45 GMT -5
And there in lies the rub ... Whether it be fortunate or unfortunate, my INTJ personality sees right through the koolaide bull schiit. Always has. The fact that the upgrade will come after the RMC-1 and quite possibly after the XMC-1 Gen 3 says a lot to me. Just sayin. Well my INTP personality has a different take  Namely that the RMC-1, XMC-1 Gen 3 and XMC-1 Gen 2 Atmos upgrade DSP boards are all the same or a very similar design based on previous analysis posted just prior to this post and also discussed by me back in January. Assuming I am correct then from an engineering perspective one would develop the highest specification product first and then just scale back/remove/disable features/capabilities for the lower specification/lower cost products. A manufacturer wouldn't want to work from the bottom up in case something in the design needs changing later to support the higher spec solution. It makes much greater commercial sense to ship XMC-1 Gen 3 and new XMC-1 Gen 2's with DSP upgrade board already fitted before upgrading existing XMC-1 customers; however frustrating that must be for those who already have XMC-1, given their long wait. The XMC-1 Gen 2 DSP board replacement is a factory upgrade which means Emotiva have to devote extra resources to receiving, dismantling, rebuilding, re-testing etc and then re-shipment back to customers. Much more messy logistically and more resource intensive than just manufacturing and shipping either new XMC-1 Gen 3 or even new XMC-1 Gen 2 with new DSP board. Also probably with significantly lower margins than selling the new products first so not a good cash flow strategy either. |
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Namely that the RMC-1, XMC-1 Gen 3 and XMC-1 Gen 2 Atmos upgrade DSP boards are all the same or a very similar design based on previous analysis posted just prior to this post and also discussed by me back in January. Assuming I am correct then from an engineering perspective one would develop the highest specification product first and then just scale back/remove/disable features/capabilities for the lower specification/lower cost products. A manufacturer wouldn't want to work from the bottom up in case something in the design needs changing later to support the higher spec solution.