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Post by enricoclaudio on Jul 5, 2018 16:41:12 GMT -5
I didn't get DV from Sony X700 and I'm also getting the same banding with HDR like with Oppo 203 Here is Sony X700 showing banding when passing through the XMC-1:  |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jul 5, 2018 16:52:04 GMT -5
Just finished testing the XMC-1 with 6' Monoprice Premium Certified cables from ATV 4K and Oppo 203 to XMC-1 and same 6' Monoprice Certified Premium from XMC-1 to Sony X930E. Here my results: 1.- No DV neither from Oppo 203 or ATV 4K when XMC-1 is in the chain. I get proper DV from both sources when the XMC-1 is out of the chain. 2.- HDR is definitely broken. I'm getting bad banding from ATV 4K and Oppo 203 when the XMC-1 is in the chain. No banding with HDR and DV when the XMC-1 is out of the chain. I did the test with Hacksaw Ridge in HDR (UHD disc on Oppo 203 and UHD Movie from iTunes ATV 4K) Here is Oppo 203 passing through XMC-1: Here is Oppo 203 showing banding when passing through XMC-1: Here is Oppo 203 directly to TV (no banding): Here is ATV 4K showing banding when passing through XMC-1: Here is ATV 4K directly to TV (no banding). In fact, the ATV 4K switched automatically to DV: So in conclusion, looks like HDR and DV are broken with Sony TVs no matter the source you use, in my case are ATV 4K and Oppo 203. Also, no matter the length of the HDMI cables, the results are the same, no DV and HDR with banding. It looks like you are seeing the same artifact that I am seeing with my JVC projector. The 'pink / green' tint in the banding itself looks extremely similar to what I reported a few pages back and the test images I provided. (Differentiating from the uniformity overall). Enrico -- can you confirm that the band themselves have color to them, or are they neutral (grey). I don't have the pink/green tint you are getting in your JVC RS640. What you see in my pictures is part of the white background of Summit Entertainment intro. When I connect the source directly to the TV you can still see the degradation from white/pink/grey but very smooth. The banding issue make it look like your pink/green tint issue, though. |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jul 5, 2018 18:37:21 GMT -5
Here another test. This time in my living room testing HDR from ATV 4K and Oppo 203 with the 35' Monoprice HOSS Active HDMI Cable and the LG 27UK650W 4K HDR Monitor. As you can see there is no banding when showing HDR with ATV 4K or Oppo 203. ATV 4K:   Oppo 203:   This may means the problem is with Sony TVs. I guess that's why those of you with LG OLED TVs are getting HDR and DV without issues. |
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Post by florindi on Jul 5, 2018 20:27:57 GMT -5
I don't have DV working with my C7 Oled. It was working before the last oppo update. Here another test. This time in my living room testing HDR from ATV 4K and Oppo 203 with the 35' Monoprice HOSS Active HDMI Cable and the LG 27UK650W 4K HDR Monitor. As you can see there is no banding when showing HDR with ATV 4K or Oppo 203. ATV 4K: View AttachmentView AttachmentOppo 203: View AttachmentView AttachmentThis may means the problem is with Sony TVs. I guess that's why those of you with LG OLED TVs are getting HDR and DV without issues. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 5, 2018 21:24:54 GMT -5
Tried out the ATV4K this morning, swapping cables around, works just fine up to the limits of my Samsung panel, which appear to be 4K HDR 30hz 4.2.2. No banding, white XMC-1 OSD looks normal, no discolourisation. The HDMI cables are 50 cm (need to be 75 cm) from the ATV to the XMC -1 and then 5 metres to the Samsung. I'll try the Sony X800 tonight, hopefully the HDMI and XLR cables will arrive during the day so I can make the connections permanent. Reminder to self, confirm that ARC and CEC are turned off in all the gear. The other good news is that the weird issues with the Samsung forgetting inputs has stopped now that I am only using the 1 input, not swapping like I used to have to with multiple video connections. Quick update, I did some research and it looks as though I might have to change some settings on my Samsung to get above 4K HDR 30hz 4.2.2. From memory mine is currently set to "off" so I'll try changing it to "on" when I get home from work. Cheers Gary |
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Post by socketman on Jul 5, 2018 21:28:44 GMT -5
Also know as WCG, wide color gamut. rec 2020 IIRC
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Post by sage on Jul 5, 2018 22:24:59 GMT -5
It looks like you are seeing the same artifact that I am seeing with my JVC projector. The 'pink / green' tint in the banding itself looks extremely similar to what I reported a few pages back and the test images I provided. (Differentiating from the uniformity overall). Enrico -- can you confirm that the band themselves have color to them, or are they neutral (grey). I don't have the pink/green tint you are getting in your JVC RS640. What you see in my pictures is part of the white background of Summit Entertainment intro. When I connect the source directly to the TV you can still see the degradation from white/pink/grey but very smooth. The banding issue make it look like your pink/green tint issue, though. Hmm... okay. In the case of my issue, if I set the XMC-1 to the lowest-power Standby mode, then power cycle it, with the image routed through, once it reboots the image problem (pink / green tinge) temporarily disappears. Have you tried this when you are seeing the banding? |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jul 5, 2018 22:41:19 GMT -5
I don't have the pink/green tint you are getting in your JVC RS640. What you see in my pictures is part of the white background of Summit Entertainment intro. When I connect the source directly to the TV you can still see the degradation from white/pink/grey but very smooth. The banding issue make it look like your pink/green tint issue, though. Hmm... okay. In the case of my issue, if I set the XMC-1 to the lowest-power Standby mode, then power cycle it, with the image routed through, once it reboots the image problem (pink / green tinge) temporarily disappears. Have you tried this when you are seeing the banding? If I power cycle then unplug power cord for about 10 min, then power ON the banding goes away. As soon I switch HDMI cables or power cycle in Video Aways ON, then the banding is back. This only happens with the Sony TV. With the LG 27UK650W 4K HDR monitor I get zero banding. |
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Post by andyman on Jul 5, 2018 22:53:31 GMT -5
Hmm... okay. In the case of my issue, if I set the XMC-1 to the lowest-power Standby mode, then power cycle it, with the image routed through, once it reboots the image problem (pink / green tinge) temporarily disappears. Have you tried this when you are seeing the banding? If I power cycle then unplug power cord for about 10 min, then power ON the banding goes away. As soon I switch HDMI cables or power cycle in Video Aways ON, then the banding is back. This only happens with the Sony TV. With the LG 27UK650W 4K HDR monitor I get zero banding. I’m not sure what happened or what has changed and this is the scary part but my issues seem to have disappeared. I am now getting HDR and getting DTS & DD . Was only getting pcm audio and SDR video previously. The only thing I have done differently is put the xmc into low power mode. Fingers crossed. Been working correctly since Monday night. (Sony xbr900E Sony udp800 ) |
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Post by xyvyx on Jul 5, 2018 22:54:45 GMT -5
If you go into the service menu of the JVC, it will display the full version number (e.g. 12.1.1 or 12.1.2). It just shows 12.1, unless it's elsewhere?  |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jul 6, 2018 0:07:35 GMT -5
Every time I try something different I find another bug. I thought that all my issues were mostly related to the fact that I'm running two displays, one 1080p and another 4K. Then I unpacked the old 1080p Monitor, plugged it in and it doesn't work on HDMI OUT 2 with the Monoprice Active Cable. I has to be plugged in HDMI OUT 1 to work. Then if I turn ON both displays, both 1080p, sometimes I get picture on the projector, sometimes not. Same for the 1080p monitor. I'm pretty sure Lonnie and Ray are putting all their effort into resolve all these issues as soon as possible but let me tell you, this is going to take a LOT of men hours my friends.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 6, 2018 1:35:37 GMT -5
Every time I try something different I find another bug. I thought that all my issues were mostly related to the fact that I'm running two displays, one 1080p and another 4K. Then I unpacked the old 1080p Monitor, plugged it in and it doesn't work on HDMI OUT 2 with the Monoprice Active Cable. I has to be plugged in HDMI OUT 1 to work. Then if I turn ON both displays, both 1080p, sometimes I get picture on the projector, sometimes not. Same for the 1080p monitor. I'm pretty sure Lonnie and Ray are putting all their effort into resolve all these issues as soon as possible but let me tell you, this is going to take a LOT of men hours my friends. I thought the preference was 4K from HDMI output 2 and 2K from HDMI output 1  FWIW, mine seems to be working OK so far, that's from the cable box and the ATV4K, I'll be trying the Sony 4K BD player over the weekend. Cheers Gary |
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Post by sage on Jul 6, 2018 4:40:22 GMT -5
Hmm... okay. In the case of my issue, if I set the XMC-1 to the lowest-power Standby mode, then power cycle it, with the image routed through, once it reboots the image problem (pink / green tinge) temporarily disappears. Have you tried this when you are seeing the banding? If I power cycle then unplug power cord for about 10 min, then power ON the banding goes away. As soon I switch HDMI cables or power cycle in Video Aways ON, then the banding is back. This only happens with the Sony TV. With the LG 27UK650W 4K HDR monitor I get zero banding. Interesting. That sounds similar to what I'm seeing. I do wonder if we're seeing the same root issue (even if it looks a bit different). |
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Post by sage on Jul 6, 2018 4:41:49 GMT -5
If you go into the service menu of the JVC, it will display the full version number (e.g. 12.1.1 or 12.1.2). It just shows 12.1, unless it's elsewhere? Nope, that's where I looked for mine (which shows 12.1.1)! |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 6, 2018 9:10:38 GMT -5
So today is July 6th, the date KeithL said the 5.1 beta link would go dead. Is there an "Official" 5.1 Firmware yet, with the "a" patch integrated? While 5.1 was released as purely beta, it now seems to be recommended out of hand for everyone. We need a consolidated Official release, and then maybe another beta to deal with issues still pending. |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Jul 6, 2018 12:40:37 GMT -5
I'm having none of these issues (other than DirecTV, which is a whole category onto itself, and is being addressed).
One thing I noticed that's a difference is cable length. My sources are all either 3' or 6' from my XMC-1, and the HDMI from my XMC-1 to my OLED TV is 6'. I wonder if some of those longer distances are a factor...
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Post by doc1963 on Jul 6, 2018 13:30:10 GMT -5
Well… I "though" I had a winning combination of settings that would allow me to use my ATV without seeing this banding recur, but it seems I was wrong... With the ATV set to output HDR 60Hz, I've used "Match Range" and "Match Frame Rate" because (a) I have no problems passing Dolby Vision and (b) I prefer to see all of my Blu-ray rips - via Infuse - exactly as they are encoded without needing to go through a pseudo BT.709 > BT.2020 conversion required when using forced HDR. With "Match Range" enabled, the banding does return after the ATV exits to the Home Screen from any mode other than HDR. The picture below was taken immediately after watching a standard HD stream (SDR). Notice, in the last picture, that my XMC-1 is reporting "10bit 4:2:0 HDR", but the banding is quite bad and quite evident.    I'm no expert, but to me it seems clear that the new HDMI board definitely has issues detecting the proper BT.2020 (HDR) flags from the ATV 4K and, in turn, respond accordingly. The ATV 4K should, can and does output BT.2020 at 2160p/24 12bit 4:2:2 -or- 2160p/60 12bit 4:2:0 (which are both within HDMI 2.0 standards), but the XMC-1 is not permitting this. There's no other technical explanation that I can ponder. I also have to admit that I find the chart posted on the product page for the v3 board rather confusing. Can someone explain why the "preferred" ATV HDR output of 2160p/ 24 12bit 4:2:2 (according to the chart) isn't supported…? I'm also confused by the "over 6Gbps" reference. Huh... shouldn't we be talking 18Gbps here? Below are charts showing what formats are supported under HDMI 2.0 and, additionally, what the data rates are for each.   I'm further pondering the fact that my LG OLED will request 2160p/24 to be sent as 4:4:4, 12 bits per pixel. My Oppo has no problem sending it and my XMC-1 has no problem passing it. Go figure... |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jul 6, 2018 13:59:17 GMT -5
doc1963, I'm pretty sure if you look further, you will find banding from Oppo 203 as well. All the tests I did yesterday were with 6' Monoprice Certified Premium HDMI cables and still, no DV and HDR banding on my Sony X930E. I have zero banding with my LG 26UK650W 4K HDR monitor but I had to unplugged it from the XMC-1 because I had constantly change of frame rate in my Comcast HD cable box and Oppo 203. For instance, if I have the LG 4K monitor on HDMI OUT 2 and the Sony HW40ES on HDMI OUT 1, my Comcast HD DVR only outputs 720p/60Hz and the Oppo 203 switch sometimes between 1080p/60Hz and 1080p/50Hz. Only unplugging the LG 4K HDR monitor and doing a full power down whit the XMC-1 back switch, restore 1080p/60Hz from all sources. This is very annoying, to the point that I'm contemplating to buy a temporary AV processor and take the XMC-1 out of the AV rack until all these bugs/issues are fixed.
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Post by doc1963 on Jul 6, 2018 14:29:58 GMT -5
doc1963, I'm pretty sure if you look further, you will find banding from Oppo 203 as well. All the tests I did yesterday were with 6' Monoprice Certified Premium HDMI cables and still, no DV and HDR banding on my Sony X930E. I have zero banding with my LG 26UK650W 4K HDR monitor but I had to unplugged it from the XMC-1 because I had constantly change of frame rate in my Comcast HD cable box and Oppo 203. For instance, if I have the LG 4K monitor on HDMI OUT 2 and the Sony HW40ES on HDMI OUT 1, my Comcast HD DVR only outputs 720p/60Hz and the Oppo 203 switch sometimes between 1080p/60Hz and 1080p/50Hz. Only unplugging the LG 4K HDR monitor and doing a full power down whit the XMC-1 back switch, restore 1080p/60Hz from all sources. This is very annoying, to the point that I'm contemplating to buy a temporary AV processor and take the XMC-1 out of the AV rack until all these bugs/issues are fixed. Probably so Enrico, but I don't want to spoil it for myself. My 203 actually performs pretty well with the XMC-1. I'm sure if I looked hard enough, though, I'd find banding. But let's face it, some of that may be inherent to the panel itself and, even if I find it, it's going to be nowhere near as horrendous as what I'm seeing with the ATV. Sadly, though, I know the ATV's not at fault. Yes, I too can do a "cold" reboot of the XMC-1 and clear the problem, but the moment I view something that's not HDR, and then return to the HDR Home Screen, the banding reappears. I thought it could also be the change in frame rate, but that doesn't seem to be the case for me. I really do want to love my XMC-1 again, so I'm going to wait a bit longer to see what develops before I make a move back to my AV7703 which is currently taking its turn sitting in the closet...  |
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Post by multicore on Jul 6, 2018 15:53:19 GMT -5
Doc, like you I cannot explain the anomalies in the Emo chart and I also get 2160p/24 sent as 4:4:4 12 bits per pixel with HDR through to my display on every UHD blu-ray I have tried on my OPPO UDP-203 (7 at this point). I was going to order an ATV but decided to wait until the issues get sorted.
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