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Post by Dan Laufman on Jul 4, 2018 12:03:04 GMT -5
There are no comercially available HDMI 2.1 chips to implement the new standard in production. We're working closely with Panasonic and ADI. We'll have parts for development as soon as they are released.
4k is barely implemented on a commercial level! My cable company still provides 1080i or 720p!
Relax... it'll come. Geez.
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Post by sage on Jul 4, 2018 12:33:03 GMT -5
I've only read a dozen of the 30+ pages, but here's my experience so far, the short/tired version: Received HDMI board today which included v5.1 firmware on the USB stick. Had no problems w/ the hardware nor firmware updates. Desired/current signal path: Oppo UDP-205 -(2' AR HDMI cable)--> XMC -(10' passive HDMI 2.0 cable)--> HDFury Vertex - (33' Ruipro active fiber cable)--> JVC RS540U imgur.com/a/TIcT6GYCan't get any kind of 4k/HDR or even 1080p video through the XMC to my JVC projector. In some cases, the projector indicates it's locked on a signal, but the image is just a solid black screen. Aside from the XMC, this combination of cables/vertex has been working for the past several months as I've waited for this board to be released. I've already read that active cables are, basically, not supported. I'm pretty certain, though, that my Vertex is providing the power to this cable & it seems to be receiving the "expected" signal from the XMC. There are firmware updates for the Vertex that I haven't yet applied... so I remain hopeful. My "final" desired configuration is to send the 4k signal to the JVC and a downconverted signal to the Panasonic in another room, along w/ audio via... HDMI or 2nd zone outputs... unknown. But I just want to get the basics working for now... Within limits, I've shuffled around cables & hooked up my old Panasonic projector. I applied the firmware a 2nd time & did a factory-reset. Using just 2 short passive cables w/ the Panny in 1080p works, although the XMC doesn't seem to output any video until the Oppo is sending a signal. I have a 2nd 50' Ruipro that I haven't yet pulled through the walls... I've got that plugged directly into the JVC for testing... again, it works fine directly into the Oppo/Vertex, but not when the XMC is part of the equation. I'll try it some more tomorrow. I'm not opposed to using an HDBaseT transmitter/reciever and I've already got some Cat6 pulled next to the Ruipro cable, but I'm kinda annoyed at this point and giving Emotiva more $$ while tossing out $300 in otherwise fantastic Ruipro cables isn't part of my formula for happiness  I am also having problems (see my write-up a few pages back) with the XMC-1 and my JVC RS-640 projector. My problems are a bit different though -- they show up as image (strong pink / green tinge across the greyscale) problems that will temporarily disappear after rebooting the XMC-1. Out of curiosity, what version of firmware do you have? I have 12.1.1, and I gather that there's a 12.1.2 (but I do not know if that will change the behaviors). |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 4, 2018 15:53:22 GMT -5
Last night I finally had enough time to set up the fresh from Franklin upgraded XMC-1 in the system, great service from the Emotiva team. I had to make new shelf spacers for the rack, juggle the cables around as best I could, measure up and order new short HDMI and XLR cables that should be here tomorrow, so I can have it fully installed by the weekend. At the moment only the cable box is connected (for the all important WAF), so like Dan Laufman 720p is as good as it gets, which the XMC-1 handles easily. It's had a full factory reset, so everything needs setting up, so far I've set the speaker distances and before I head off to work this morning I'll balance up the volumes. Setting up with the cable box first lets me make sure everything is working OK and gives me some practise through the menu system, before I dive into the world of 4K. Not really necessary for the guys with XMC-1 experience of course. Cheers Gary |
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Post by doc1963 on Jul 4, 2018 17:42:10 GMT -5
Last night I finally had enough time to set up the fresh from Franklin upgraded XMC-1 in the system, great service from the Emotiva team. I had to make new shelf spacers for the rack, juggle the cables around as best I could, measure up and order new short HDMI and XLR cables that should be here tomorrow, so I can have it fully installed by the weekend. At the moment only the cable box is connected (for the all important WAF), so like Dan Laufman 720p is as good as it gets, which the XMC-1 handles easily. It's had a full factory reset, so everything needs setting up, so far I've set the speaker distances and before I head off to work this morning I'll balance up the volumes. Setting up with the cable box first lets me make sure everything is working OK and gives me some practise through the menu system, before I dive into the world of 4K. Not really necessary for the guys with XMC-1 experience of course. Cheers Gary Do let us know how you make out Gary... I’m especially interested in how your ATV 4K behaves when passing HDR through your XMC-1. |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jul 4, 2018 18:35:01 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Gary won't have many issues with ATV 4K and HDR because his TV set does not pass DV. I think DV is what is messing up things in the XMC-1. Apart from DV, the only issue I have with HDR is very bad banding visible on the apps logos of the ATV 4K Home Screen Menu. Everything else works great in my setup.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 4, 2018 21:06:50 GMT -5
Last night I finally had enough time to set up the fresh from Franklin upgraded XMC-1 in the system, great service from the Emotiva team. I had to make new shelf spacers for the rack, juggle the cables around as best I could, measure up and order new short HDMI and XLR cables that should be here tomorrow, so I can have it fully installed by the weekend. At the moment only the cable box is connected (for the all important WAF), so like Dan Laufman 720p is as good as it gets, which the XMC-1 handles easily. It's had a full factory reset, so everything needs setting up, so far I've set the speaker distances and before I head off to work this morning I'll balance up the volumes. Setting up with the cable box first lets me make sure everything is working OK and gives me some practise through the menu system, before I dive into the world of 4K. Not really necessary for the guys with XMC-1 experience of course. Do let us know how you make out Gary... I’m especially interested in how your ATV 4K behaves when passing HDR through your XMC-1. I'm pretty sure Gary won't have many issues with ATV 4K and HDR because his TV set does not pass DV. I think DV is what is messing up things in the XMC-1. Apart from DV, the only issue I have with HDR is very bad banding visible on the apps logos of the ATV 4K Home Screen Menu. Everything else works great in my setup. I'm hoping that my choice to not worry about DV will be of some benefit. I'll most certainly report results  It's a pain having to wait another day for the cables, I took a chance that the ones I had I would still be able to use but the extra height of the XMC-1 over the UMC-200 means that they are just a bit too short. Plus of course I can now use XLR's between the XMC-1 and the XSP-1, which means my system for the first time ever will not have one single RCA connection, now that's a milestone Cheers Gary |
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Post by xyvyx on Jul 4, 2018 23:45:31 GMT -5
I am also having problems (see my write-up a few pages back) with the XMC-1 and my JVC RS-640 projector. My problems are a bit different though -- they show up as image (strong pink / green tinge across the greyscale) problems that will temporarily disappear after rebooting the XMC-1. Out of curiosity, what version of firmware do you have? I have 12.1.1, and I gather that there's a 12.1.2 (but I do not know if that will change the behaviors). Interesting.. my 540 reports version x12.1 (hadn't really thought about updates to the JVC, but searching for firmware online & on the JVC pro site yields little of substance) I've got it working somewhat now... I don't know for sure if it's the 5.1a patch that made the difference. I can't get the XMC and the Vertex to play nicely so I'll have to pull my longer Ruipro cable through my smurftube so it can connect the XMC and JVC directly. I've basically reset all the settings on my Oppo & XMC and haven't gone back to tweak much of anything... but the picture looks quite good and I haven't noticed a pink/green cast. I'm hesitant to calibrate things until I have everything hooked-up in a more permanent state. With the Vertex connected after the XMC, the JVC appears to "connect" and show the correct resolution/color depth & framerate, but it'll only display a black screen. Going Oppo --> Vertex --> JVC works fine too. I updated the Vertex firmware to 1.32 today and fiddled w/ the settings in the GUI, but no dice. The only cables I have that can reach the projector are Ruipro fiber flavored... |
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Post by zarthaz on Jul 5, 2018 0:34:12 GMT -5
Cool, will use that email too. My PS4 (standard not Pro) is not working properly yet. When plugged in all I get is a black screen, and when i then reboot the XMC-1 because it seems to bug the other outputs as well it shows the screen normally while the XMC-1 is rebooting. When it is fully rebooted screen is black again Cheers Hi, Just flashed 5.1a. Having the same issue with my PS4. Doesn't seem to be an issue with Xbox One S or PS3, particularly the PS4 (Standard). The screen flashed up a few times while the system was booting, but by the time the system had fully loaded, there was no picture, and no other pictures worked. Ah good that I am not the only one and it is a problem for sure. I did write in to the email address a few days ago, but not heard anything in regards to it. Cheers |
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Post by sage on Jul 5, 2018 1:09:33 GMT -5
I am also having problems (see my write-up a few pages back) with the XMC-1 and my JVC RS-640 projector. My problems are a bit different though -- they show up as image (strong pink / green tinge across the greyscale) problems that will temporarily disappear after rebooting the XMC-1. Out of curiosity, what version of firmware do you have? I have 12.1.1, and I gather that there's a 12.1.2 (but I do not know if that will change the behaviors). Interesting.. my 540 reports version x12.1 (hadn't really thought about updates to the JVC, but searching for firmware online & on the JVC pro site yields little of substance) I've got it working somewhat now... I don't know for sure if it's the 5.1a patch that made the difference. I can't get the XMC and the Vertex to play nicely so I'll have to pull my longer Ruipro cable through my smurftube so it can connect the XMC and JVC directly. I've basically reset all the settings on my Oppo & XMC and haven't gone back to tweak much of anything... but the picture looks quite good and I haven't noticed a pink/green cast. I'm hesitant to calibrate things until I have everything hooked-up in a more permanent state. With the Vertex connected after the XMC, the JVC appears to "connect" and show the correct resolution/color depth & framerate, but it'll only display a black screen. Going Oppo --> Vertex --> JVC works fine too. I updated the Vertex firmware to 1.32 today and fiddled w/ the settings in the GUI, but no dice. The only cables I have that can reach the projector are Ruipro fiber flavored... If you go into the service menu of the JVC, it will display the full version number (e.g. 12.1.1 or 12.1.2). |
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Post by hifiaudio2 on Jul 5, 2018 8:33:30 GMT -5
Where is the 5.1 file posted? I see the 5.1a....
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Post by rogersch on Jul 5, 2018 9:17:33 GMT -5
Does anybody know if the upgrade board will become available via the international distrbutors (esp. in Europe)?
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Post by dazza on Jul 5, 2018 10:03:34 GMT -5
Does anybody know if the upgrade board will become available via the international distrbutors (esp. in Europe)? Likewise, I’m eagerly waiting.......... |
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Post by qdtjni on Jul 5, 2018 12:08:28 GMT -5
Does anybody know if the upgrade board will become available via the international distrbutors (esp. in Europe)? What is stopping you to order it directly from Emotiva? |
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Post by doc1963 on Jul 5, 2018 12:24:09 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Gary won't have many issues with ATV 4K and HDR because his TV set does not pass DV. I think DV is what is messing up things in the XMC-1. Apart from DV, the only issue I have with HDR is very bad banding visible on the apps logos of the ATV 4K Home Screen Menu. Everything else works great in my setup. But that "is" the problem. That banding should not occur and, with the XMC-1 out of the way, it doesn't. If HDR requires 10 bits of color information per pixel to function correctly (and it does), then why is the XMC-1 reporting receiving only 8 bits from the ATV while playing HDR content...? That's the interesting oddity. As do you, I originally thought that this doesn't seem to affect the content (only the Home Screen), so it must be some kind of fluky reporting issue. That is until I found a good example where it does seem to effect the content… the movie " Hostiles". For example... As this movie begins, the opening "Lionsgate" splash screen is rendered with horrible banding (even more so than usual as it's fairly bad to begin with). Then, during the opening scene of the movie, watch the sky behind the Comanche Indians as they approach the homestead. When displayed properly, the sky should be rendered as a light blue to a softer blue vignette with moderate film grain very apparent. The same scene, when played through the XMC-1, will turn the film grain into chunky, flickering square "blocks" all along the the seam where the blue vignette transitions, vertically, midway through the sky. The easiest scene to spot this anomaly in is the scene where the homeowner runs into his house, grabs his rifle and looks through the window at the oncoming Comanches. The effect is harsh and easily spotted (and you won't need to watch more than the first 5 minutes of this movie to spot it). If you're seeing banding in the ATV's Home Screen, you will see this effect in this movie. The content provider is not important as I see this whether streamed through iTunes or Vudu. Now, an HDMI board that is designed to be a simple "pass-through" device (no image processing) should have no influence over the end results. That is unless the EDID being published by it is, in some way, prompting the ATV 4K to do something that it normally would not (or should not) otherwise do. I believe that might be the case here. The only way that I can seem to set the ATV 4K to where I do not get banding in the Home Screen (and not get the same negative effects in movie playback) is to force the ATV to output 4k HDR 60. In doing this, the XMC-1 reports "10 bits" and I get no banding in the Home Screen. However, once playback of HDR content begins, it falls back to "8bit", BUT, surprisingly, I do not seem to get the negative results as mentioned before. This is very odd and unpredictable behavior. To get Dolby Vision when you have the ATV set this way, you must check "Match Range". To get 24fps playback, you must also check "Match Frame Rate". FWIW, I have no issues playing Dolby Vision titles from my ATV 4K (or my 203 for that matter) through the XMC-1. The only oddity using the ATV is that the XMC-1 continues to report receiving "Dolby Vision" even after the content stops and the ATV returns to the menu screen and/or Home Screen (neither of which are sending Dolby Vision). My TV pops up the HDR flag which means that the ATV did go back into the HDR mode even though the XMC-1 didn't detect it. The XMC-1 will not report HDR (or SDR) again until HDR (or SDR) content is played. NONE of this oddness occurs with the ATV 4K until it is passed through the XMC-1. I can run it directly to the TV, throughout the HDMI input of my UDP-203 (although not while the 203 is connected to the XMC-1) or through my Marantz AV7703 using exactly the same cables and it all works flawlessly. For full disclosure, I use 6' Monoprice Certified Premium between the sources and AVP and a 33' Ruipro "Hybrid" between the AVP and TV. As I noted in a previous post (found HERE), the ATV 4K wants to output 4k/24 HDR content at 4:2:2 12bits. With the XMC-1 out of the loop, it does. 12 bits > 8 bits of color information is a big difference and likely explains everything I'm seeing with the XMC-1 in play. I rely on my ATV 4K quite a lot, so I'll remain both optimistic and patient, but this is sill a work in progress... |
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Post by rogersch on Jul 5, 2018 14:48:26 GMT -5
Does anybody know if the upgrade board will become available via the international distrbutors (esp. in Europe)? What is stopping you to order it directly from Emotiva? Nothing In fact I've ordered the UMC-1 and XMC-1 in the past directly from Emotiva. However as there are now distributors in Europe and looking at the prices they charge for a XMC-1 I would have bought the XMC-1 directly from a dealer in Europe. When I ordered from Emotiva UPS International has been used and they are, imho, the least in Europe in communication towards the customer. Also what they additionally charge to handle customs is rather significant. Especially for smaller orders like the V3 board. I'll go first on summer holiday and then in August I'll order the board. Hopefully the firmware is then on 5.2 and most issues has been fully resolved. |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jul 5, 2018 14:54:46 GMT -5
Got my 35' Monoprice HOSS Active HDMI Cable and got the same results as with the 50'. No DV, full HDR from ATV 4K and Oppo 203. I'm taking the XMC-1 out of the AV cabinet to bring it over my bedroom and try with 6' HDMI cables with my Sony X930E. If I get DV, then at least I know the problem is cable length. If I don't get DV then the problem is compatibility between the XMC-1 and Sony DV implementation.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 5, 2018 16:08:58 GMT -5
Tried out the ATV4K this morning, swapping cables around, works just fine up to the limits of my Samsung panel, which appear to be 4K HDR 30hz 4.2.2. No banding, white XMC-1 OSD looks normal, no discolourisation. The HDMI cables are 50 cm (need to be 75 cm) from the ATV to the XMC -1 and then 5 metres to the Samsung. I'll try the Sony X800 tonight, hopefully the HDMI and XLR cables will arrive during the day so I can make the connections permanent.
Reminder to self, confirm that ARC and CEC are turned off in all the gear. The other good news is that the weird issues with the Samsung forgetting inputs has stopped now that I am only using the 1 input, not swapping like I used to have to with multiple video connections.
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jul 5, 2018 16:28:20 GMT -5
Just finished testing the XMC-1 with 6' Monoprice Premium Certified cables from ATV 4K and Oppo 203 to XMC-1 and same 6' Monoprice Certified Premium from XMC-1 to Sony X930E. Here my results: 1.- No DV neither from Oppo 203 or ATV 4K when XMC-1 is in the chain. I get proper DV from both sources when the XMC-1 is out of the chain. 2.- HDR is definitely broken. I'm getting bad banding from ATV 4K and Oppo 203 when the XMC-1 is in the chain. No banding with HDR and DV when the XMC-1 is out of the chain. I did the test with Hacksaw Ridge in HDR (UHD disc on Oppo 203 and UHD Movie from iTunes ATV 4K) Here is Oppo 203 passing through XMC-1:  Here is Oppo 203 showing banding when passing through XMC-1:  Here is Oppo 203 directly to TV (no banding):  Here is ATV 4K showing banding when passing through XMC-1:  Here is ATV 4K directly to TV (no banding). In fact, the ATV 4K switched automatically to DV:  So in conclusion, looks like HDR and DV are broken with Sony TVs no matter the source you use, in my case are ATV 4K and Oppo 203. Also, no matter the length of the HDMI cables, the results are the same, no DV and HDR with banding. |
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Post by donh50 on Jul 5, 2018 16:35:11 GMT -5
Thanks for all the troubleshooting, Enrico. Hope Emotiva can tweak FW and fix that for you (and everyone else, natch).
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Post by sage on Jul 5, 2018 16:37:46 GMT -5
Just finished testing the XMC-1 with 6' Monoprice Premium Certified cables from ATV 4K and Oppo 203 to XMC-1 and same 6' Monoprice Certified Premium from XMC-1 to Sony X930E. Here my results: 1.- No DV neither from Oppo 203 or ATV 4K when XMC-1 is in the chain. I get proper DV from both sources when the XMC-1 is out of the chain. 2.- HDR is definitely broken. I'm getting bad banding from ATV 4K and Oppo 203 when the XMC-1 is in the chain. No banding with HDR and DV when the XMC-1 is out of the chain. I did the test with Hacksaw Ridge in HDR (UHD disc on Oppo 203 and UHD Movie from iTunes ATV 4K) Here is Oppo 203 passing through XMC-1: Here is Oppo 203 showing banding when passing through XMC-1: Here is Oppo 203 directly to TV (no banding): Here is ATV 4K showing banding when passing through XMC-1: Here is ATV 4K directly to TV (no banding). In fact, the ATV 4K switched automatically to DV: So in conclusion, looks like HDR and DV are broken with Sony TVs no matter the source you use, in my case are ATV 4K and Oppo 203. Also, no matter the length of the HDMI cables, the results are the same, no DV and HDR with banding. It looks like you are seeing the same artifact that I am seeing with my JVC projector. The 'pink / green' tint in the banding itself looks extremely similar to what I reported a few pages back and the test images I provided. (Differentiating from the uniformity overall). Enrico -- can you confirm that the band themselves have color to them, or are they neutral (grey). |
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