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Post by mountain on Jul 31, 2018 17:06:53 GMT -5
One would hope spending that much on a DAC you wouldn't need to add a cherry hahaha My DACs are nothing but cherries. I’m laughing and understanding! Nice comment. |
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Post by novisnick on Jul 31, 2018 18:10:08 GMT -5
I have really enjoyed my time with my loaned microRendu. I can't wait to try the UltraRendu. I'm also happy that you are having fun with your new toys. Great stuff! Mark Mark- once again the ultra Rendu or ultra SOtM shoul make no difference as the “better” clock in either unit is not used in the DAC. The DAC substitutes it’s own clock. Better clocks (other than one actually in the DAC) are audiophile BS IMO. Russ Once again we’ve heard you and your should make no difference is just that much more reassuring now that you’ve repeated yourself. Each unit reclocks its input and what one hears is the sum of each units specific work. Nick |
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Post by DYohn on Jul 31, 2018 18:26:01 GMT -5
I have really enjoyed my time with my loaned microRendu. I can't wait to try the UltraRendu. I'm also happy that you are having fun with your new toys. Great stuff! Mark Mark- once again the ultra Rendu or ultra SOtM shoul make no difference as the “better” clock in either unit is not used in the DAC. The DAC substitutes it’s own clock. Better clocks (other than one actually in the DAC) are audiophile BS IMO. Russ It's not the clock that matters it's the S/N. |
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Post by klinemj on Jul 31, 2018 19:02:50 GMT -5
I have really enjoyed my time with my loaned microRendu. I can't wait to try the UltraRendu. I'm also happy that you are having fun with your new toys. Great stuff! Mark Mark- once again the ultra Rendu or ultra SOtM shoul make no difference as the “better” clock in either unit is not used in the DAC. The DAC substitutes it’s own clock. Better clocks (other than one actually in the DAC) are audiophile BS IMO. Russ I know that. And, I wasn't debating the ultrarendu vs. the SotM. I was debating the microrendu vs. the ultrarendu. For me, the deciding factor was that the ultrarendu has all the inputs and outputs coming into/out of the back vs. in 1 side and out the other (like the microrendu does). If it worth a lot of extra $? To me, yes. And, I am confident the sound will be no worse than the microrendu I have been enjoying. If it is better sound, cool...form factor + sound. And, I bought the Sonore UltraRendu. Mark |
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Post by novisnick on Jul 31, 2018 19:19:27 GMT -5
Mark- once again the ultra Rendu or ultra SOtM shoul make no difference as the “better” clock in either unit is not used in the DAC. The DAC substitutes it’s own clock. Better clocks (other than one actually in the DAC) are audiophile BS IMO. Russ I know that. And, I wasn't debating the ultrarendu vs. the SotM. I was debating the microrendu vs. the ultrarendu. For me, the deciding factor was that the ultrarendu has all the inputs and outputs coming into/out of the back vs. in 1 side and out the other (like the microrendu does). If it worth a lot of extra $? To me, yes. And, I am confident the sound will be no worse than the microrendu I have been enjoying. If it is better sound, cool...form factor + sound. And, I bought the Sonore UltraRendu. Mark From extensive reading and reviews the Ultra bests the Micro easily. I do understand about having ports on both sides of the device. I didn’t particularly care for that arrangement on the Explorer 2 but for its size, price point and abilities it was well worth it. Now, according to Chad, I own a “Cherry” . LOL |
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Post by klinemj on Jul 31, 2018 19:53:22 GMT -5
And cherries are good...
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Post by novisnick on Aug 1, 2018 0:48:52 GMT -5
I know that. And, I wasn't debating the ultrarendu vs. the SotM. I was debating the microrendu vs. the ultrarendu. For me, the deciding factor was that the ultrarendu has all the inputs and outputs coming into/out of the back vs. in 1 side and out the other (like the microrendu does). If it worth a lot of extra $? To me, yes. And, I am confident the sound will be no worse than the microrendu I have been enjoying. If it is better sound, cool...form factor + sound. And, I bought the Sonore UltraRendu. Mark From extensive reading and reviews the Ultra bests the Micro easily. I do understand about having ports on both sides of the device. I didn’t particularly care for that arrangement on the Explorer 2 but for its size, price point and abilities it was well worth it. Now, according to Chad, I own a “Cherry” . LOL Just reread this, I was talking anout the Sonore in both cases and not the SOtM at all. I hope yall got that. |
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Post by Soup on Aug 1, 2018 4:17:45 GMT -5
Did anyone have a chance to compare a v1.4 microRendu to the ultra?
Like to hear your thoughts...
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Post by sahmen on Aug 1, 2018 6:39:53 GMT -5
Did anyone have a chance to compare a v1.4 microRendu to the ultra? Like to hear your thoughts... If you will permit a rather indirect way of answering, here is a set of impressions I posted on another site, when I purchased the Ultrarendu and sent my MR 1.3 back to Sonore for the 1.4 upgrade All posts are from August 4th, 2017: !.4 Vs Ultra-rendu::"More detail, better instrument separation, more "air," richer and better defined mids, better defined, and even punchier bass. Also the sound seems fuller and more enveloping, if you know what I mean... (I do not really have the linguistic skills to describe fully the differences I am hearing, so pardon me if I am sounding "underwhelming" to you). I have to add that the 1.4 sounded very good already, in all the mentioned areas, as compared to what I had before the microrendu, to the extent that I wasn't expecting anything else to do too much better than the micro (especially the 1.4), until I heard the Ultrarendu.. Before the micro and Ultra rendu, my component chain in this rig was Mac mini/Amarra software ==>> Audiophilleo2 w/PP ==>>Schiit Yggdrasil==Violectric V281/Emotiva XMC-1)... I am now using both Micro/Ultrarendus as Roon endpoints." My response to a question as to whether I can tell if the delta between MR 1.3 and 1.4 is bigger or smaller than the delta between 1.4 and the Ultrarendu:"I can't, unfortunately... I sent the 1.3 in for the update after listening to it for about just a month. When I got the 1.4 back, I thought I was hearing a noticeable difference, but to be honest, I could not tell for sure if the difference was real or "placebo." I blame that uncertainty simply on the limitations of audio memory, and not on those of the equipment themselves. I think the best way to compare the 1.3 with the 1.4 is to play them both in house, side by side, or in close sequence, but that is something I obviously can't do because I have only 1 microrendu... On the other hand, it was easier for me to compare the 1.4 with the Ultrarendu, because I auditioned the 1.4 for about an hour before replacing it with the Ultrarendu in the same chain... Differences were more easily discernible this way." Now for some balance and perspective, here's another poster's (genjamon) view of the difference between the MR 1.3 and the Ultrarendu posted on the same day, in reaction to mine :
"Yeah, I'm actually in the same position. I'm borrowing an Ultra at the moment, and about to send my 1.3 in for the update to 1.4. Based on the level of difference between Ultra and 1.3, I doubt I would be able to track the difference between 1.3 and 1.4 with a week or two of delay between comparison either. Ultra does seem better than 1.3 from last night's brief comparison. But it wasn't transformative. Ultra seemed richer and more mature, confident, assured, real. But I actually didn't find a major improvement in instrument separation or air per se. That said, I also just got a USPCB, and that brought the 1.3 to quite another level of performance by removing a previous haze to the sound. I hope to have a bit more time to compare before sending off the 1.3, but not sure if I'll be able to make that happen.
I'm running home router/modem from Vinnie Rossi Mini, FMC's both on independent LPS-1's, micro/ultrarendu's on LPS-1, USPCB into Lampizator Big7 with Takatsuki 300B's, a Don Sachs preamp, and Line Magnetic 518 amp with premium tubes. System is pretty resolved, warm, and natural - very able to telescope system changes into audible changes. I've heard pretty obvious leaps in SQ from previous source upgrades such as going with microRendu a year ago, and then LPS-1 upgrades, etc. I've even heard improvements from putting my modem/router on a linear power supply, and then again putting it on a Vinnie Mini. Subtle in those cases, but reliable and persistent improvements. Just as context for my impressions above."
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I have to say that I pulled these responses off the top of my head spontaneously, while reading the forum, in reaction to questions raised by another forum member, i.e. without necessarily doing any prior critical comparative listening.
(When i got the upgraded 1.4 back, I just gave it a brief auditioning to ensure it was working properly, and went back to listening to the Ultrarendu which had taken its place. One reason for doing that is because I was more excited with the Ultrarendu at that time, principally because of "new toy syndrome," which incidentally, might have impacted my responses too).
In general, the Ultrarendu sounds noticeably and incrementally better than the 1.4, but their sound signatures resemble each other quite a lot. Besides the 1.4 sounds close enough to the Ultra, so close that I have not been tempted to sell it (the Mr. 1.4) |
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Post by klinemj on Aug 1, 2018 8:22:37 GMT -5
Did anyone have a chance to compare a v1.4 microRendu to the ultra? Like to hear your thoughts... I'll be doing some fresh comparisons over the next week as I still have a loaner v1.4 microrendu from sahmen and my ultrarendu arrives tomorrow. Mark |
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Post by Soup on Aug 1, 2018 10:06:05 GMT -5
Did anyone have a chance to compare a v1.4 microRendu to the ultra? Like to hear your thoughts... I'll be doing some fresh comparisons over the next week as I still have a loaner v1.4 microrendu from sahmen and my ultrarendu arrives tomorrow. Mark Glad to hear it.................. <script async="" src="moz-extension://11751322-4531-4ec6-860c-2492a14cbc7d/web/libs/ciuvo-addon-sdk.min.js"></script> |
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Post by DYohn on Aug 1, 2018 10:31:22 GMT -5
I replaced a Microrendu with an Ultra because I thought it looked and sounded better. But I don't recall if the MR had 1.4 or 1.3, The UR was and is 2.6.
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Post by novisnick on Aug 8, 2018 4:46:44 GMT -5
I/we have been talking about noise over and through our power supplies and more recently the Ethernet. This seems to be the newest talkinging points around many audio forums. I believe we’ve been out in front of this Many believe we can do something about it and that its real, others think its hog wash. I’m of the camp that its real and we can do some things to help reduce if not eliminate it all together. This is the newest of many reviews about all that nasty noise being fed into and around our audio gear. It IS detrimental to the quality of our music. |
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Post by pedrocols on Aug 8, 2018 7:55:21 GMT -5
Can you hear the noise if you not home? 🤔
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Post by klinemj on Aug 8, 2018 9:04:59 GMT -5
I/we have been talking about noise over and through our power supplies and more recently the Ethernet. This seems to be the newest talkinging points around many audio forums. I believe we’ve been out in front of this Many believe we can do something about it and that its real, others think its hog wash. I’m of the camp that its real and we can do some things to help reduce if not eliminate it all together. This is the newest of many reviews about all that nasty noise being fed into and around our audio gear. It IS detrimental to the quality of our music. The point he raises about the possibility of noise being in our ethernet lines is indeed interesting. I don't know if it's valid or not, but worth learning more about. But, the part about ethernet vs. wifi is bugging me. In my home, my internet access originates in my incoming cable line, which goes to Spectrum's gear, and an ethernet cable comes out of it and goes to my router. My wifi signal comes out of that router and hard lines go out to a lot of locations around my house. It would seem that any "noise" going into the router from Spectrum's cheap "made to a price point gear" would be present in my ethernet signal as well as my wifi signal. Or, am I missing something? Mark |
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Post by novisnick on Aug 8, 2018 9:21:47 GMT -5
klinemj , nope, you’ve identified the first point of treatment. So which either way you go (wi-fi or ethernet) you’ll need to filter the noise. Don’t forget the magnetic fields throughout the house as well. Some folfs will just say, WHAT? But for critical listening, one can identify the corruption and noise in the music. For my friends that said, WHAT? ,,,,,,,,,the dispensary is open! 😋
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Post by monkumonku on Aug 8, 2018 10:18:44 GMT -5
I/we have been talking about noise over and through our power supplies and more recently the Ethernet. This seems to be the newest talkinging points around many audio forums. I believe we’ve been out in front of this Many believe we can do something about it and that its real, others think its hog wash. I’m of the camp that its real and we can do some things to help reduce if not eliminate it all together. This is the newest of many reviews about all that nasty noise being fed into and around our audio gear. It IS detrimental to the quality of our music. The point he raises about the possibility of noise being in our ethernet lines is indeed interesting. I don't know if it's valid or not, but worth learning more about. But, the part about ethernet vs. wifi is bugging me. In my home, my internet access originates in my incoming cable line, which goes to Spectrum's gear, and an ethernet cable comes out of it and goes to my router. My wifi signal comes out of that router and hard lines go out to a lot of locations around my house. It would seem that any "noise" going into the router from Spectrum's cheap "made to a price point gear" would be present in my ethernet signal as well as my wifi signal. Or, am I missing something? Mark With all the talk about incremental refinements and improvements in things, the bottom line is the system is only as good as its weakest link. Your point is a good one. |
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Post by monkumonku on Aug 8, 2018 10:19:47 GMT -5
Can you hear the noise if you not home? 🤔 Some people are always hearing things no matter where they are.  Audio manufacturers rely on that. |
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Post by novisnick on Aug 8, 2018 10:36:55 GMT -5
Can you hear the noise if you not home? 🤔 Some people are always hearing things no matter where they are. Audio manufacturers rely on that.  |
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Post by novisnick on Aug 10, 2018 20:34:35 GMT -5
Audio Pollution I’ve been working on improving the sound of my dedicated two channel system this past month or so and would like to share some of my findings. I believe I can improve the canvas in which sound is delivered into the room. The canvas being noise pollution. Background sound such as A/C units and fans and such are easily fixed by turning them off, although sometimes it’ll get rather warm with my tube amps heating the room. The other noise is harder to rid the room of. The noise thats not so noticeable until you do some critical listening. By upgrading the power supply to my SOtM sms-200 Ultra with a SOtM sps-500 switching power supply I’ve found a little more clarity in the music. I found a little more by moving power cables away from interconnects and so on.  A little darker background. Music like light piercing the black. Not huge but noticeable. I found a little more clarity feeding my Mytek Brooklyn with an Audioquest Carbon USB cable. Added Cinnamon Ethernet cables and all of this has added a rather noticeable improvement in the overall sound of the music. Sound stage, presence and width has all made for much more realistic musical reproduction.   photo upload freeIts all kind of like the Earths presence in our universe. The Sun sending out lethal amounts of noise and magnetically charged particles with our atmosphere protecting us. Our planet has a protected barrier as does many of the cables and interconnects to help with the electrical charges running through and around the cables and interconnects. My latest addiction to my experience/ experiment has been the Pink Faun Lan galvanic isolator. It has also resulted in an improvement in the sound. Not an “OMG” moment or “It lifted the Vail” moment but an improvement all the same. The Pink Faun connects the ethernet to the network player  At these levels of scrutiny we will never find an improvement so great as separating your DAC from a direct connection to your PC. Thats a huge improvement! If a network player does no more then that for you its worth the money IMHO. These improvements are for the most picky of audio quality in my humble opinion. Nick |
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Audio manufacturers rely on that. 