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Post by novisnick on Sept 30, 2018 17:18:40 GMT -5
Very cool...been surfing the web, and I find all sorts of posts about issues with network bridges, but nothing that helps solve the issue (so far!). Mark When on a quest we always find answers to questions we haven’t asked yet! 😁😲 |
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Post by DYohn on Sept 30, 2018 18:03:24 GMT -5
In my experience with Roon, I've found that a more powerful CPU in the server creates better results than improving the network infrastructure. Also, in my router, I had to turn off the IPv6 firewall, even though Roon claims they do not use IPv6, to get a smooth stream. After I did that (and built a new Server with a 3GHz AMD and 16Gb RAM) the system has been flawless, including over wifi.
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Post by klinemj on Sept 30, 2018 19:11:10 GMT -5
In my experience with Roon, I've found that a more powerful CPU in the server creates better results than improving the network infrastructure. Also, in my router, I had to turn off the IPv6 firewall, even though Roon claims they do not use IPv6, to get a smooth stream. After I did that (and built a new Server with a 3GHz AMD and 16Gb RAM) the system has been flawless, including over wifi. In my case, the issue is clearly outside Roon. Independent of Roon, my PC doesn't even see the router once I set up a bridged network. So, it can't access the NAS I have connected to it...which is where my FLAC files are. (So Roon can't see it either.) On a regular "unbridged" network, I can access the NAS that's connected to the router w/o any issue outside Roon AND from within Roon. Mark |
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Post by DYohn on Oct 1, 2018 11:01:34 GMT -5
Ah OK. I have no idea what a "bridged" network is. Good luck!
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Post by novisnick on Oct 1, 2018 11:59:39 GMT -5
Ah OK. I have no idea what a "bridged" network is. Good luck! I must be deranged! This is all I can think of now!  Now everybody,,,,whistle along! 🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶 |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 1, 2018 13:52:09 GMT -5
Ah OK. I have no idea what a "bridged" network is. Good luck! It's joining 2 ethernet ports together into 1 network. Some guys on computer audiophile reports that it improves sound. I am skeptical but wanted to try it. -->CLICK THIS LINK TO READ ABOUT IT<---Mark |
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Post by novisnick on Oct 1, 2018 13:53:05 GMT -5
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Post by DYohn on Oct 1, 2018 14:06:24 GMT -5
Ah OK. I have no idea what a "bridged" network is. Good luck! It's joining 2 ethernet ports together into 1 network. Some guys on computer audiophile reports that it improves sound. I am skeptical but wanted to try it. -->CLICK THIS LINK TO READ ABOUT IT<---Mark OK I read that huge post. Maybe I'm just not tweaky enough to understand why anyone would bother doing that, but boys like hobbies I suppose. To me it's a pointless exercise- I'm all for things that actually affect the SOUND, and have done things like swap power supplies after my measurements showed the one I was using was noisy. But endlessly chasing after some elusive "better" and convincing yourself it exists whether it does or not and whether it matters or not is not something I wish to do. Networks are means to move data. As long as your bandwidth and network integrity is sufficient to deliver the signal where it needs to go, that's it. There is no "better" to be had after that. If the data is delivered then it is delivered. This smells like the same crap as "audio enhanced" network switches. BS wrapped up in a nice package designed to take your money. Bah. I guess I'm in a bad mood. |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 1, 2018 14:29:16 GMT -5
It's joining 2 ethernet ports together into 1 network. Some guys on computer audiophile reports that it improves sound. I am skeptical but wanted to try it. -->CLICK THIS LINK TO READ ABOUT IT<---Mark OK I read that huge post. Maybe I'm just not tweaky enough to understand why anyone would bother doing that, but boys like hobbies I suppose. To me it's a pointless exercise- I'm all for things that actually affect the SOUND, and have done things like swap power supplies after my measurements showed the one I was using was noisy. But endlessly chasing after some elusive "better" and convincing yourself it exists whether it does or not and whether it matters or not is not something I wish to do. Networks are means to move data. As long as your bandwidth and network integrity is sufficient to deliver the signal where it needs to go, that's it. There is no "better" to be had after that. If the data is delivered then it is delivered. This smells like the same crap as "audio enhanced" network switches. BS wrapped up in a nice package designed to take your money. Bah. I guess I'm in a bad mood. I'm very skeptical, but since it looked cheap and easy to try, I figured I'd try it. The interesting point is that they claim that the approach removes some underlying communication protocols from the equation (because they only come into play when one device has to talk to another) and they claim that these protocols create issues. I don't know enough about communication between devices, but I did look up and learn that there are indeed 7 layers of protocols underlying RAAT (Which Roon uses) that do different functions when devices talk to each other. Whether they create audio issues or not, who knows. I thought it would be easy to try - and it was easy to set up. It just doesn't work reliably. Mark |
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Post by novisnick on Oct 1, 2018 14:36:35 GMT -5
It's joining 2 ethernet ports together into 1 network. Some guys on computer audiophile reports that it improves sound. I am skeptical but wanted to try it. -->CLICK THIS LINK TO READ ABOUT IT<---Mark OK I read that huge post. Maybe I'm just not tweaky enough to understand why anyone would bother doing that, but boys like hobbies I suppose. To me it's a pointless exercise- I'm all for things that actually affect the SOUND, and have done things like swap power supplies after my measurements showed the one I was using was noisy. But endlessly chasing after some elusive "better" and convincing yourself it exists whether it does or not and whether it matters or not is not something I wish to do. Networks are means to move data. As long as your bandwidth and network integrity is sufficient to deliver the signal where it needs to go, that's it. There is no "better" to be had after that. If the data is delivered then it is delivered. This smells like the same crap as "audio enhanced" network switches. BS wrapped up in a nice package designed to take your money. Bah. I guess I'm in a bad mood. Dear Mr. Bad Mood! 😁 I haven’t bought into the experiment that Mark is trying but from experience I can tell you that the SQ of my music and the speed and ease in which to access it has improved vastly. Connecting a source directly to ones DAC makes for poor sound quality in comparison IMHO. It’s a rather long story in which I haven’t the time at this moment to go into. Cheers! |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 1, 2018 14:49:58 GMT -5
I have 1 last thing to try...out of town right now, but will look into it when I get home tomorrow. I'd love to actually see if these guys are blowing smoke or not. As noted...I am skeptical!
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Post by monkumonku on Oct 1, 2018 15:03:32 GMT -5
Ah OK. I have no idea what a "bridged" network is. Good luck! It's joining 2 ethernet ports together into 1 network. Some guys on computer audiophile reports that it improves sound. I am skeptical but wanted to try it. -->CLICK THIS LINK TO READ ABOUT IT<---Mark Hey, it's just like bi-wiring - another tweak to bring about jaw-dropping, wife comes running into the room improvements! |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 1, 2018 15:15:43 GMT -5
Truthfully, I really doubted the microrendu or ultrarendu would change the sound of my system. But...they did. A LOT! And that "tweak" cost me a lot more than this one did. I have spent $15 on this test...could have done for free by bridging my wifi and ethernet adapters, but I wanted to use 2 hardwired adapters. In any case - no harm in trying!
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Post by DYohn on Oct 1, 2018 16:18:17 GMT -5
Yes, I agree, that is no harm in trying anything you have the budget to try. I just dislike audiophile eureka claims that smell dubious at best. Although maybe I should try tie-wrapping a bag of brilliant pebbles on my interconnect cables.
As far as devices like the Rendus making a difference, that's a different sort of tweak. That's using an active device designed as the decoder for the audio stream. It's much more than a network interface or a tweaked out cable. It's similar to getting different sounds from different amplifiers. they're both amplifiers, the specs look similar, how could they possibly sound different? Well duh, they directly manipulate the audio signal, that's how.
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Post by klinemj on Oct 1, 2018 20:12:10 GMT -5
Another way to look at it is the rendu line is just a stripped down computer (and that's what their website says). Computers are means to move and process data. As long as your CPU speed and system integrity is sufficient to deliver the data where it needs to go, that's it. There is no "better" to be had after that. If the data is delivered then it is delivered. See what I did there...  Seriously though, when I look at the Sonore website and hear what others were saying, that's actually what I was thinking. But, it makes a difference...without a doubt. Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 2, 2018 12:59:36 GMT -5
Got home and tried my last remaining tricks. I can't get the system to work. I'll have to sign up over at Computer Audiophile and see if they have any bright ideas, and I will plug around on Microsoft's site more to see if I can find leads there. It's weird because once I bridge the two NIC's, the computer shows the new virtual network running at 1 Gbps. but it cannot access what I need it to access and Tidal runs dog slow.
I'd really love to try this, but so far - no luck.
Mark
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Post by novisnick on Oct 2, 2018 16:34:41 GMT -5
Got home and tried my last remaining tricks. I can't get the system to work. I'll have to sign up over at Computer Audiophile and see if they have any bright ideas, and I will plug around on Microsoft's site more to see if I can find leads there. It's weird because once I bridge the two NIC's, the computer shows the new virtual network running at 1 Gbps. but it cannot access what I need it to access and Tidal runs dog slow. I'd really love to try this, but so far - no luck. Mark My friend, you already are putting a lot of “try” into this! 😋 keep swinging man! |
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Post by kenj on Oct 2, 2018 17:39:35 GMT -5
Thanks for continuing to get bridging to work. Hopefully the CA guys will help
Like you they reported results from the MR/UR Ethernet to usb device and linear power supply which was said to isolate the audio system from upstream electrical noise from PC etc.
Noting a next step improvement from there peaked my interest. Ignoring bridging my plan has been:
- run Roon with Core and end point being different devices as recommended
- use the UR with linear power supply as end point to dac based on yours and CA findings
I am interested in the CA benefits of using the i7 ROCK Linux appliance vs bigger windows PC. There is a nice featured article on this and the benefits of maintenance and fit with NAS. The downside is that I will need another box for video (Nvidia Shield). Together ROCK and Shield replace my HTPC hdmi and usb connected to XMC-1. HTPC can go to office as workstation
I play a lot of multi-channel music rips which have required hdmi and dsf to pcm so I need to figure out how to play them without a jriver pc connected hdmi direct to XMC-1.
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Post by klinemj on Oct 2, 2018 21:21:42 GMT -5
Got home and tried my last remaining tricks. I can't get the system to work. I'll have to sign up over at Computer Audiophile and see if they have any bright ideas, and I will plug around on Microsoft's site more to see if I can find leads there. It's weird because once I bridge the two NIC's, the computer shows the new virtual network running at 1 Gbps. but it cannot access what I need it to access and Tidal runs dog slow. I'd really love to try this, but so far - no luck. Mark My friend, you already are putting a lot of “try” into this! 😋 keep swinging man! At this point, it's me against it...I don't give up easily when something "should" work. I called in the big guns...my uber-nerd friend who attempts all sorts of computer challenges. And, of course, now my router decided to throw a hissy fit, so I have to resolve that now. Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 9, 2018 10:40:50 GMT -5
An update...I reached out to a friend very knowledgeable about computer networking as well as the crowd at Computer Audiophile. I got some suggestions from each and just finished trying them all. At 1 point, it looked like I was close - but...no cigar. I threw one last question back to the CA crowd and I will see if I get any additional advice from that. At this point in the thread, the main topic is about reclocking so nobody really seems interested in helping solve a bridging issue. Net, I doubt I'll get any more advice and will just punt if I don't.
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Seriously though, when I look at the Sonore website and hear what others were saying, that's actually what I was thinking. But, it makes a difference...without a doubt.
