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Post by adaboy on Sept 24, 2018 21:45:14 GMT -5
I have absolutely thought the dude has been trolling the whole time. I can't believe its gone on this long. Well said sir, I am suprised the Mods have allowed it to go on this long. Why not let it continue? This is great entertainment until the RMC-1 comes out.  |
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Post by DavidR on Sept 24, 2018 22:10:13 GMT -5
As of yet no one has mentioned braid type and strand size yet they will mention an AWG size which can come in several different strand sizes and braid style. They is a reason for the variations. DavidR: Am interested in braiding styles and would like more information. Some companies claim that solid core wires remove phase shift and offer other improvements. Has anyone tried solid core wires? There are some silver ones being made and the same question for silver -- anyone tried them? The attached pdf should make a good start.
Some one on the Carversite tried solid core copper wire (amp to speaker and it was probably house wire). I dont remember exactly but few things were better and mostly was worse. I do know solid silver wire is used internally to connect tweeters to caps (crossover hook up - tweeter only) and it is said to workout nicely. Very hard to find stranded silver wire if not impossible.
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Post by b4icu on Sept 25, 2018 0:36:22 GMT -5
b4icu: Telling us that the 4awg gauge is correct for a 3 foot run tells us nothing. Explain why you think this is the "right answer." Hi Mr. KeithL last post and my answer to KeithL, kind of answering that. Most likly you didn't read it or not understand it. I know you respect KeithL. He would suggest an even thicker cable by his answer. Wonder why you didn't asked him anything. Just because he wasn't specific as I was (4 AWG)? I'm not going to explain you how I calculate this, but as far this conversation is going the only one to talk technical and say things that make sense is KeithL. None of you did. Mostly dealing with infantile comments on a subject you are not understanding, instead of trying to understand. This is what I'm kind of trying to do. As so, I assume that you are not coming from a technical background (that's ok), so I'll skip that, as it will not do any good to this conversation. I'm flooded by you with links to articles, some as old as 1967, others with no technical sense, that you stick to. None is asking about those. All articles till now, didn't tackle the subject. The only thing that impressed me about this JBL guy, is that he took the time to calculate manually his table (which I do not approve), at a time no excel no Lotus 123, no electronic calculators existed. Today it would be an easy drug down on excel, copy-paste and done deal. |
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 25, 2018 8:22:41 GMT -5
b4icu: Telling us that the 4awg gauge is correct for a 3 foot run tells us nothing. Explain why you think this is the "right answer." Hi Mr. KeithL last post and my answer to KeithL, kind of answering that. Most likly you didn't read it or not understand it. I know you respect KeithL. He would suggest an even thicker cable by his answer. Wonder why you didn't asked him anything. Just because he wasn't specific as I was (4 AWG)? I'm not going to explain you how I calculate this, but as far this conversation is going the only one to talk technical and say things that make sense is KeithL. None of you did. Mostly dealing with infantile comments on a subject you are not understanding, instead of trying to understand. This is what I'm kind of trying to do. As so, I assume that you are not coming from a technical background (that's ok), so I'll skip that, as it will not do any good to this conversation. I'm flooded by you with links to articles, some as old as 1967, others with no technical sense, that you stick to. None is asking about those. All articles till now, didn't tackle the subject. The only thing that impressed me about this JBL guy, is that he took the time to calculate manually his table (which I do not approve), at a time no excel no Lotus 123, no electronic calculators existed. Today it would be an easy drug down on excel, copy-paste and done deal. So we are all a bunch of non technical boobs? I believe I was a major factor in your discussion with KeithL, but as usual, I'm essentially ignored again. I am a retired BE, so although I'm no longer at my peak, I still have technical knowledge. If the objective of a sound system is to have the electrical to acoustic transponder move and thus reproduce in air the waveform of the small signal reference music, then I do not know of any system that has air movement to electrical feedback (i.e. a mike or preferably a displacement sensor) that provides such feedback. It is true as Keith points out that emf (in a coil diaphragm system) provides a rough feedback, but that feedback is one removed from the desired variable which is air movement. So the last control loop in today's typical signal > amp > speaker system is essentially a emf regulator, not quite truly a sound regulator, but certainly better than nothing. |
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Post by pedrocols on Sept 25, 2018 8:29:48 GMT -5
But but but how does it sound? The random guy is still persuading and winning.
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 25, 2018 8:40:25 GMT -5
But but but how does it sound? The random guy is still persuading and winning. Speak for yourself, I doubt, with the exception of you, that anyone thinks he is winning. |
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Post by 405x5 on Sept 25, 2018 8:54:08 GMT -5
Hi Mr. KeithL last post and my answer to KeithL, kind of answering that. Most likly you didn't read it or not understand it. I know you respect KeithL. He would suggest an even thicker cable by his answer. Wonder why you didn't asked him anything. Just because he wasn't specific as I was (4 AWG)? I'm not going to explain you how I calculate this, but as far this conversation is going the only one to talk technical and say things that make sense is KeithL. None of you did. Mostly dealing with infantile comments on a subject you are not understanding, instead of trying to understand. This is what I'm kind of trying to do. As so, I assume that you are not coming from a technical background (that's ok), so I'll skip that, as it will not do any good to this conversation. I'm flooded by you with links to articles, some as old as 1967, others with no technical sense, that you stick to. None is asking about those. All articles till now, didn't tackle the subject. The only thing that impressed me about this JBL guy, is that he took the time to calculate manually his table (which I do not approve), at a time no excel no Lotus 123, no electronic calculators existed. Today it would be an easy drug down on excel, copy-paste and done deal. So we are all a bunch of non technical boobs? I believe I was a major factor in your discussion with KeithL, but as usual, I'm essentially ignored again. I am a retired BE, so although I'm no longer at my peak, I still have technical knowledge. If the objective of a sound system is to have the electrical to acoustic transponder move and thus reproduce in air the waveform of the small signal reference music, then I do not know of any system that has air movement to electrical feedback (i.e. a mike or preferably a displacement sensor) that provides such feedback. It is true as Keith points out that emf (in a coil diaphragm system) provides a rough feedback, but that feedback is one removed from the desired variable which is air movement. So the last control loop in today's typical signal > amp > speaker system is essentially a emf regulator, not quite truly a sound regulator, but certainly better than nothing. Rest assured you have not been (and are not being ignored) It’s just that most of us are bored stiff with the Troll and have moved on to interesting topics. You MAY notice.....he is NOWHERE, but here.... I wonder why that is 🤥. Bill |
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Post by DavidR on Sept 25, 2018 9:50:43 GMT -5
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Post by 405x5 on Sept 25, 2018 9:54:58 GMT -5
The chocolate covered variety is my favorite! Bill |
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Post by b4icu on Sept 25, 2018 10:30:27 GMT -5
Hi Mr. KeithL last post and my answer to KeithL, kind of answering that. Most likly you didn't read it or not understand it. I know you respect KeithL. He would suggest an even thicker cable by his answer. Wonder why you didn't asked him anything. Just because he wasn't specific as I was (4 AWG)? I'm not going to explain you how I calculate this, but as far this conversation is going the only one to talk technical and say things that make sense is KeithL. None of you did. Mostly dealing with infantile comments on a subject you are not understanding, instead of trying to understand. This is what I'm kind of trying to do. As so, I assume that you are not coming from a technical background (that's ok), so I'll skip that, as it will not do any good to this conversation. I'm flooded by you with links to articles, some as old as 1967, others with no technical sense, that you stick to. None is asking about those. All articles till now, didn't tackle the subject. The only thing that impressed me about this JBL guy, is that he took the time to calculate manually his table (which I do not approve), at a time no excel no Lotus 123, no electronic calculators existed. Today it would be an easy drug down on excel, copy-paste and done deal. So we are all a bunch of non technical boobs? I believe I was a major factor in your discussion with KeithL, but as usual, I'm essentially ignored again. I am a retired BE, so although I'm no longer at my peak, I still have technical knowledge. If the objective of a sound system is to have the electrical to acoustic transponder move and thus reproduce in air the waveform of the small signal reference music, then I do not know of any system that has air movement to electrical feedback (i.e. a mike or preferably a displacement sensor) that provides such feedback. It is true as Keith points out that emf (in a coil diaphragm system) provides a rough feedback, but that feedback is one removed from the desired variable which is air movement. So the last control loop in today's typical signal > amp > speaker system is essentially a emf regulator, not quite truly a sound regulator, but certainly better than nothing. What is your major, Electronics? Or Mechanics? None of this subject (speakers cabling calculation - has to do with the speaker. I repet it so you can understand. As Mr. KeithL and me, related it to DF, and DF is the ratio between the amp's output resistor and a fix 8 ohms @ 1kHz (no matter what your speaker impedance will be at 1kHz or any Fr.). |
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Post by b4icu on Sept 25, 2018 10:38:02 GMT -5
The chocolate covered variety is my favorite! Bill I see your understanding of the subject and your contribution is improving by the minute. Your latest say reminds me a line from Asimov's trilogy: Violence (verbal) is the last resort of the incompetent. |
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Post by mauriceminor on Sept 25, 2018 10:45:26 GMT -5
Are you a day trader ?
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Post by klinemj on Sept 25, 2018 10:55:43 GMT -5
But but but how does it sound? The random guy is still persuading and winning. Speak for yourself, I doubt, with the exception of you, that anyone thinks he is winning. Yep. And, as far as I can see, he's certainly not persuading any of us to change our thinking on speaker cable sizing either. Mark |
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 25, 2018 11:18:14 GMT -5
So we are all a bunch of non technical boobs? I believe I was a major factor in your discussion with KeithL, but as usual, I'm essentially ignored again. I am a retired BE, so although I'm no longer at my peak, I still have technical knowledge. If the objective of a sound system is to have the electrical to acoustic transponder move and thus reproduce in air the waveform of the small signal reference music, then I do not know of any system that has air movement to electrical feedback (i.e. a mike or preferably a displacement sensor) that provides such feedback. It is true as Keith points out that emf (in a coil diaphragm system) provides a rough feedback, but that feedback is one removed from the desired variable which is air movement. So the last control loop in today's typical signal > amp > speaker system is essentially a emf regulator, not quite truly a sound regulator, but certainly better than nothing. What is your major, Electronics? Or Mechanics? None of this subject (speakers cabling calculation - has to do with the speaker. I repet it so you can understand. As Mr. KeithL and me, related it to DF, and DF is the ratio between the amp's output resistor and a fix 8 ohms @ 1kHz (no matter what your speaker impedance will be at 1kHz or any Fr.). Bachelor Of Engineering (a five year degree requiring a thesis) , major - electrical engineering, minor - mathematics, 41 years of closed loop experience in the industrial motor / controller business. So what's that got to do with the price of cheese in Denmark? Now, the DF you are talking about is the specification that manufacturers list for their amps and yes it is based on the amps characteristic output impedance and a typical (for simplification) 8 ohm speaker load at (if you insist, but it is inconsequential since the values are purely resistive) 1khz. What I am talking about is real life DF resulting from a real amp connected to real wire and a real speaker, and surely you must understand that it is all interconnected. The sizing of speaker wire is an infantile calculation done quite adequately by journeymen apprentice electricians or anyone else, for that matter, who has ever heard of Ohm's Law. What , may I ask are your qualifications and education? |
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Post by pedrocols on Sept 25, 2018 11:36:28 GMT -5
It is amazing the power of persuation this random guy has. Pages and pages and pages and your egos are so big that you cannot seem to be able to just let go.🤔
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Post by 405x5 on Sept 25, 2018 11:44:46 GMT -5
You know the holidays are coming! I know I like the Chocolate, then I got curious and checked the web and found: Pecan, Cashew, and APPLE TOO! Sometimes friends send me holiday baskets with stuff that's LIKE Poppycock but as other brands. Anyone have a favorite to share and where to find. Bill |
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 25, 2018 11:46:02 GMT -5
It is amazing the power of persuation this random guy has. Pages and pages and pages and your egos are so big that you cannot seem to be able to just let go.🤔 At least you are using English now, but you are still just as insulting! |
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Post by pedrocols on Sept 25, 2018 11:51:32 GMT -5
It is amazing the power of persuation this random guy has. Pages and pages and pages and your egos are so big that you cannot seem to be able to just let go.🤔 At least you are using English now, but you are still just as insulting! Just an opinion from a fellow member just like you are. If I wanted to insult you I will first ask you your name and then I will directly tell you but that is childlike behavior and I don't do that kind of stuff. |
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Post by craigl59 on Sept 25, 2018 11:54:02 GMT -5
b4icu writes:
"Mr. KeithL last post and my answer to KeithL, kind of answering that.
Most likly you didn't read it or not understand it."
The Emotiva Lounge is the only website I use that does not remove these kinds of personal statements. This fool has no idea what I understand nor can he explain what is clearly a fallacious statement concerning speaker gauge size. Quoting Keith's very informative post -- that has nothing to do with his recco -- is another sign of his bad character.
Here is where people like this always fail: they do not understand that this site is composed of very bright people who understand exactly the content AND intent of the posts made herein. b4icu has proven himself unworthy of comment or response.
And just in the opposite vein, thanks DavidR for your pdf. Your response shows the thread working despite the nonsense of the unfortunate contributor.
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 25, 2018 12:09:42 GMT -5
At least you are using English now, but you are still just as insulting! Just an opinion from a fellow member just like you are. If I wanted to insult you I will first ask you your name and then I will directly tell you but that is childlike behavior and I don't do that kind of stuff. Nice audio system you have there! We are audiophiles, maybe we should keep it to that! Peace! |
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