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Post by cwt on May 23, 2019 1:31:40 GMT -5
I think I understand your meaning. If Emotiva provided a list of "RMC friendly" equipment and dependent on the firmware I could create an issue-free system and I would have no reason to upgrade firmware on any devices. Sure there is a chance I still don't have an issue-free system, but I'm one step closer to recreating that system that Emotiva has with none of the issues I experience. I also understand if I would change firmware that could impact if I have any issues. I don't upgrade FW (I have auto updates turned off on all devices) unless I have an issue that needs to be fixed. Normally even then I don't upgrade right away unless I know I can roll back if the FW update causes a new issue. But this all really doesn't matter since we will never know the golden combination of equipment that Emotiva has had so much success testing with. Instead we can continue to guess as to the cause of the issue(s) and not eliminate certain pieces or combinations of equipment. I think its a good move to use that "golden combination" to narrow down any bugs ; I just don't see it particularly well as a long term strategy for what you want /require in your system that's all .. I also think you are[admirably] taking one for the team to restrict yourself to certain ordained components over the long term when its Emo's job to work with the majority  Maybe you were onto something a few pages back when you postulated you had a bad example ? Or indeed you are very thorough in finding bugs ? If I had to speculate on Emo;s initial component list I would bet $$ on an oppo bdp203 and since the RMC1 is meant to be matched with upmarket components I don't think the likes of a ps4 quite meets the standard  Similarly a jack of all trades like the Shield [which has been around how long ?] I also would put components like the dune hd ultra 4k due to their engineering as something to add- now that its brethren are more stable.. I wonder how this all would have gone if Emo had settled for the hdmi2.0a revision rather than the latest 2.0b  |
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 23, 2019 4:37:21 GMT -5
... I wonder how this all would have gone if Emo had settled for the hdmi2.0a revision rather than the latest 2.0b I for one appreciate the inclusion of HLG which DTV uses, I think one of the key differences in 2.0b, but I get your point. |
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Post by cwt on May 23, 2019 5:28:38 GMT -5
... I wonder how this all would have gone if Emo had settled for the hdmi2.0a revision rather than the latest 2.0b I for one appreciate the inclusion of HLG which DTV uses, I think one of the key differences in 2.0b, but I get your point. I wish we had HLG down in the antipodes  ; its great that it can be used with SDR and not use a heap of bandwidth for our bit starved compressed FTA for a better picture . |
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Post by theblackangus on May 24, 2019 7:35:47 GMT -5
... I wonder how this all would have gone if Emo had settled for the hdmi2.0a revision rather than the latest 2.0b I for one appreciate the inclusion of HLG which DTV uses, I think one of the key differences in 2.0b, but I get your point.
HLG isn't attached to HDMI 2.0b tho is it? I see other AVR's/Pre's that have HLG and are HDMI 2.0a.
Am I missing something?
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Post by theblackangus on May 24, 2019 8:16:55 GMT -5
So the return time is still not started until Dirac is released?
Is there a return fee or anything if I get one and it works poorly for me?
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Post by Hair Nick on May 24, 2019 8:24:13 GMT -5
So the return time is still not started until Dirac is released? Is there a return fee or anything if I get one and it works poorly for me? Correct. You would only be responsible for the return shipping. |
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Post by jcz06 on May 24, 2019 8:50:11 GMT -5
So the return time is still not started until Dirac is released? Is there a return fee or anything if I get one and it works poorly for me? Correct. You would only be responsible for the return shipping. Hey Nick, Any idea on the DIRAC release date for the RMC, I know June had been discussed. Thanks, Jason |
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Post by Hair Nick on May 24, 2019 8:54:28 GMT -5
Correct. You would only be responsible for the return shipping. Hey Nick, Any idea on the DIRAC release date for the RMC, I know June had been discussed. Thanks, Jason I don't have any updates on Dirac. |
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Post by novisnick on May 24, 2019 9:33:23 GMT -5
Hey Nick, Any idea on the DIRAC release date for the RMC, I know June had been discussed. Thanks, Jason I don't have any updates on Dirac. A straight forward honest answer! Thank You @hairnick ❤️ |
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Post by LCSeminole on May 24, 2019 10:07:29 GMT -5
From what I understand it's all dependent upon DIRAC according to their April 5 FaceBook posting, copied below:
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Dirac & Emotiva Communities: We’ve met some unexpected obstacles developing the code for the ADI Griffin Lite platform that have caused us to fall behind our initial schedule.
Developing product across multiple teams, located across three continents, can present challenges – especially when pioneering a new generation of DSP for max performance.
However, efforts have been doubled, all obstacles have now officially been cleared, and we’re back on track. We’ll have an update on the new release date soon, and we thank you all for your patience and understanding. We promise the wait will be worth it!
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 24, 2019 10:17:28 GMT -5
I for one appreciate the inclusion of HLG which DTV uses, I think one of the key differences in 2.0b, but I get your point. HLG isn't attached to HDMI 2.0b tho is it? I see other AVR's/Pre's that have HLG and are HDMI 2.0a. Am I missing something? It’s possible HLG works with some HDMI 2.0a implementations—possibly another variation on the standard—my Sony XBR85x900F also sports 2.0b and supports HLG. Here’s one quote on the difference between 2.0a and 2.0b: “ HDMI 2.0b is a whole lot more than just a connection to your TV. ... A quick note before we begin: HDMI 2.0b is an extremely minor update on HDMI 2.0a. The two are essentially the same, except that HDMI 2.0b adds support for Hybrid Log Gamma (HLG), a newer HDR technology mainly intended for broadcast applications.Oct 15, 2018” |
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Post by goozoo on May 24, 2019 10:53:26 GMT -5
If you look at my earlier post regarding DIRAC should be self explanatory. In a nutshell, they are still in beta mode and trying to resolve the rest of the bugs as they have shifted to a single platform across all manufacturers. They have also hired a new young guy who is sharp but inexperienced. There is also no retail pricing info on the upgrade as the whole industry is awaiting a final release.
I don’t expect anything to be out before the end of the summer, but this is speculation so who knows.
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Post by jcz06 on May 24, 2019 17:30:48 GMT -5
If you look at my earlier post regarding DIRAC should be self explanatory. In a nutshell, they are still in beta mode and trying to resolve the rest of the bugs as they have shifted to a single platform across all manufacturers. They have also hired a new young guy who is sharp but inexperienced. There is also no retail pricing info on the upgrade as the whole industry is awaiting a final release. I don’t expect anything to be out before the end of the summer, but this is speculation so who knows. This is what is so frustrating, I want to run room correction on my room and enjoy the RMC in it's full glory.....but haven't been able to for 6 months due to Dirac failing...... |
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Post by goozoo on May 24, 2019 19:21:11 GMT -5
I had an interesting thing happen today. I was playing around with the HDMI 1.4 vs 2.0 setting and noted something unique. To preface this, my source is an NVIDIA Shield into the RMC1 via HDMI 2.0 cerified cable and out into a Runco 750i projector running HDMI 1.4. When I set the input on the RMC1 to 1.4 it showed Dolby ATMOS and Dolby TrueHD just like when running HDMI 2.0. In theory it should not have recognized the ATMOS metadata and displayed TrueHD and 7.1 instead but for some reason it didn’t. I had one audio dropout at 5 minutes in for 0.5 seconds and then nothing for the next 20 minutes at which point I stopped. With other units, this is not possible as 1.4 cannot see the metadata, but for some reason mine does. I’m curious if anyone else has observed this behavior?
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Post by Lsc on May 24, 2019 23:45:01 GMT -5
If you look at my earlier post regarding DIRAC should be self explanatory. In a nutshell, they are still in beta mode and trying to resolve the rest of the bugs as they have shifted to a single platform across all manufacturers. They have also hired a new young guy who is sharp but inexperienced. There is also no retail pricing info on the upgrade as the whole industry is awaiting a final release. I don’t expect anything to be out before the end of the summer, but this is speculation so who knows. Well once summer hits, Sweden goes on holiday (vacation). |
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Post by novisnick on May 25, 2019 1:08:38 GMT -5
If you look at my earlier post regarding DIRAC should be self explanatory. In a nutshell, they are still in beta mode and trying to resolve the rest of the bugs as they have shifted to a single platform across all manufacturers. They have also hired a new young guy who is sharp but inexperienced. There is also no retail pricing info on the upgrade as the whole industry is awaiting a final release. I don’t expect anything to be out before the end of the summer, but this is speculation so who knows. Well once summer hits, Sweden goes on holiday (vacation). Ive been to Oland for Midsummer and it was insanely great! Back in the 80’s, not sure what year but my status as an American was beyond belief.. i was treated like royalty! Thanks again for all the love from Sweden!  |
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Post by cwt on May 25, 2019 4:05:58 GMT -5
HLG isn't attached to HDMI 2.0b tho is it? I see other AVR's/Pre's that have HLG and are HDMI 2.0a. Am I missing something? Some ce's pay the extra licensing fees to futureproof their components ; the ps3 was one other that sony sprung for [as it buckled to demand  ] with a new transmitter chipset . It was hdmi 1.3 so could only decode lossless not bitstream it ; so they released the slim version which was still nominally 1.3 - |
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Post by bblv on May 25, 2019 23:49:59 GMT -5
FWIW I'm 99.9% sure that Lonnie listed the Emotiva equipment list earlier in this thread.
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Post by tabbycph on May 26, 2019 11:02:07 GMT -5
FWIW I'm 99.9% sure that Lonnie listed the Emotiva equipment list earlier in this thread. Here:
emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/976274/thread"I can’t remember off the top of my head everything we use but here goes. TVs: Samsung, LG, Sony, Panasonic, TCL, Visio and a couple of others. Blue rays: multiple different Oppo’s, Sony, Samsung, LG Cables were our own mostly. Multiple different projectors. For test gear we use Quantum Data and Audio Precision Now having said all this keep in mind that we are dealing with very high data rates. Which means clocks are everything. It doesn’t take much to skew a clock. Lights, noisy electrical in the house, cell phone and microwave towers, shoot even sun spots can cause hiccups. So yes, we do try to replicate things in real world setups and yes we do use beta testers. But even as hard as we try, I’m sorry if we have missed things. Lonnie" |
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Post by klinemj on May 26, 2019 11:23:49 GMT -5
FWIW I'm 99.9% sure that Lonnie listed the Emotiva equipment list earlier in this thread. Here:
emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/976274/thread"I can’t remember off the top of my head everything we use but here goes. TVs: Samsung, LG, Sony, Panasonic, TCL, Visio and a couple of others. Blue rays: multiple different Oppo’s, Sony, Samsung, LG Cables were our own mostly. Multiple different projectors. For test gear we use Quantum Data and Audio Precision Now having said all this keep in mind that we are dealing with very high data rates. Which means clocks are everything. It doesn’t take much to skew a clock. Lights, noisy electrical in the house, cell phone and microwave towers, shoot even sun spots can cause hiccups. So yes, we do try to replicate things in real world setups and yes we do use beta testers. But even as hard as we try, I’m sorry if we have missed things. Lonnie" That's the list I recall also, but it doesn't include any streaming equipment and it also does not include anything about settings (which was also asked for) nor does it include any model numbers. Net, fairly general and not specific enough to be helpful. Mark |
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Similarly a jack of all trades like the Shield [which has been around how long ?] I also would put components like the dune hd ultra 4k due to their engineering as something to add- now that its brethren are more stable..
; its great that it can be used with SDR and not use a heap of bandwidth for our bit starved compressed FTA for a better picture .
] with a new transmitter chipset 
