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Post by Lonnie on Jun 13, 2019 15:00:49 GMT -5
No..... this is more like a custom trailer hitch..... You pay extra for a trailer hitch, even if you don't have a trailer, because you believe that someday you may acquire a trailer to hitch to it.
(The feature is that "the RMC-1 has expansion ports which can be used for expansion modules".)
At this point I don't know for sure what modules will ever be developed and offered for sale. However, since there seems to be significant demand for the channel-expansion modules, I would say it's quite likely we'll have those available shortly. And we have plans for several others... and, of course, we may eventually come up with more ideas.
(Obviously, if you purchase the unit without the expansion bays, you will not be able to avail yourself of any expansion modules we eventually offer.) The choice is obviously yours either way.
Woe There! They way it reads to me now is that there is NO PROMISE of ANY MODULE! Just that there are three ports if Emotiva EVER decides to MAKE a MODULE for the RMC-1. This is NOT what I expected to hear from anyone at Emotiva! Im not liking what I’m hearing, @keithl IF I’m mistaken please clear this up NOW! I pray I’m misinterpreting your statements. 2K for a maybe? 😳I can understand why it would read this way so let me first apologize for how it was phrased and put your minds at ease. There will be a number of expansion modules that Kieth is not privy to what all is happening in engineering. We have finished an analog input expansion, next up is the output channel expansion for which we have boards running but they need still need a little work, then there will be sub-woofer expansion, again we have boards but needs additional work. Waiting on prototype boards for the Phono stage and many others in the works. Sorry for any confusion Kieth's post caused. Lonnie |
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 13, 2019 15:02:30 GMT -5
Just to be clear here. We have a number of modules in development. We have finished work on an audio input expansion If this supports 7.1 analog in, then I vote that it be named the Bonzo  - Rich Ha ha ha. Great idea! Unfortunately from what I gathered a while back, its simply going to be an additional balanced XLR input. Of course I don't know this factually, but that's what was implied a long while ago. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 13, 2019 15:04:38 GMT -5
Woe There! They way it reads to me now is that there is NO PROMISE of ANY MODULE! Just that there are three ports if Emotiva EVER decides to MAKE a MODULE for the RMC-1. This is NOT what I expected to hear from anyone at Emotiva! Im not liking what I’m hearing, @keithl IF I’m mistaken please clear this up NOW! I pray I’m misinterpreting your statements. 2K for a maybe? 😳I can understand why it would read this way so let me first apologize for how it was phrased and put your minds at ease. There will be a number of expansion modules that Kieth is not privy to what all is happening in engineering. We have finished an analog input expansion, next up is the output channel expansion for which we have boards running but they need still need a little work, then there will be sub-woofer expansion, again we have boards but needs additional work. Waiting on prototype boards for the Phono stage and many others in the works. Sorry for any confusion Kieth's post caused. Lonnie Since the input expansion is "done" so to speak, can you confirm what it is exactly? Then we can stop debating and just know. Thanks. |
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Post by Lonnie on Jun 13, 2019 15:16:31 GMT -5
I can understand why it would read this way so let me first apologize for how it was phrased and put your minds at ease. There will be a number of expansion modules that Kieth is not privy to what all is happening in engineering. We have finished an analog input expansion, next up is the output channel expansion for which we have boards running but they need still need a little work, then there will be sub-woofer expansion, again we have boards but needs additional work. Waiting on prototype boards for the Phono stage and many others in the works. Sorry for any confusion Kieth's post caused. Lonnie Since the input expansion is "done" so to speak, can you confirm what it is exactly? Then we can stop debating and just know. Thanks. Yep, its two channel fully differential. Sorry Bonzo, no 7.1. Lonnie |
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 13, 2019 15:19:18 GMT -5
Since the input expansion is "done" so to speak, can you confirm what it is exactly? Then we can stop debating and just know. Thanks. Yep, its two channel fully differential. Sorry Bonzo, no 7.1. Lonnie Understood. Thanks for the update. |
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Post by novisnick on Jun 13, 2019 15:20:19 GMT -5
Woe There! They way it reads to me now is that there is NO PROMISE of ANY MODULE! Just that there are three ports if Emotiva EVER decides to MAKE a MODULE for the RMC-1. This is NOT what I expected to hear from anyone at Emotiva! Im not liking what I’m hearing, @keithl IF I’m mistaken please clear this up NOW! I pray I’m misinterpreting your statements. 2K for a maybe? 😳I can understand why it would read this way so let me first apologize for how it was phrased and put your minds at ease. There will be a number of expansion modules that Kieth is not privy to what all is happening in engineering. We have finished an analog input expansion, next up is the output channel expansion for which we have boards running but they need still need a little work, then there will be sub-woofer expansion, again we have boards but needs additional work. Waiting on prototype boards for the Phono stage and many others in the works. Sorry for any confusion Kieth's post caused. Lonnie |
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Post by TDifEQ on Jun 13, 2019 15:29:20 GMT -5
I don't know exactly.
The "engineering chip beep" will occur every sixty seconds you are listening to a Dolby Digital source - and only a Dolby Digital source - every minute you do so. It is quite distinctive - it will occur whenever that decoder function block is in use - and does not occur sporadically or only after the unit has been running for some time.
If this is the person who spoke to myself and Damon earlier today on the phone...
Then I believe we're talking about a single series of beeps or buzzes that happened once and then weren't repeated. He have had a few reports of things like that - and we're still looking into exactly what caused them.
(We suspect something software related - perhaps causing some sort of calculation overrun under some very specific condition.)
[/div] This is NOT what is happening with this unit.
I talked to both Keith and Daymon earlier today. Had 2 separate ding occrances ... no other occurances since ... these occurances did not repeat every 60sec like others. Posted about this before (5 dings in a row). |
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Post by KeithL on Jun 13, 2019 15:30:04 GMT -5
I'm sorry... But a few folks here have clearly read a few comments, taken them out of context, then decided to get all excited about them. You might consider looking at the table that shows the features for yourself.
Starting from the XMC-1....
The XMC-1 is a pretty nice processor, with plenty of features, and sound quality that most people agree is rather better than anything else in its price range. The XMC-1 supported 7.2 channels, and Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD Master Audio.
So far that seems to be something worth being happy about.
Now we've introduced the XMC-2..... Compared to the XMC-1.... The XMC-2 supports Dolby Atmos and DTS:X..... The XMC-2 supports 16 channels - including Atmos up to 9.1.6..... The XMC-2 also uses better DACs on all of it channels.... and uses those DACs in their even better mono mode on the front three channels...... (And we've offered our customers with XMC-1's a really sweet upgrade deal.)
For a little more, the RMC-1L starts from there...... But the DACs that drive ALL of the channels on the RMC-1L operate in that special mono mode - for the best possible performance.
And the RMC-1L has the fancy dual OLED displays and the fancy single-encoder front-panel control.
And, for another small step up in price...... The RMC-1 offers all of that..... But adds expansion bays..... As someone was quick to point out "there's nothing to plug into them yet"...... HOWEVER, we have several exciting new expansion modules in development..... Among other things they'll enable the RMC-1 to support up to 28 output channels.....
Where are the parts that anyone would be unhappy about?
EMOTIVA. You n3ed 5o take a step back and RETHINK AUDIO. You have a lot of angry customers on the processor front. Why are you guys not listening to your customers? What is going on over there? Are you guys going bankrupt soon or closing business, and trying to get as much money before that happens? |
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Post by davidl81 on Jun 13, 2019 15:36:53 GMT -5
Since the input expansion is "done" so to speak, can you confirm what it is exactly? Then we can stop debating and just know. Thanks. Yep, its two channel fully differential. Sorry Bonzo, no 7.1. Lonnie Honest question, what would be the use for the two channel fully differential balanced inputs? Would that be for some type of CD transport that had DAC's that someone would prefer to the RMC's DAC's, or is there some other use that I cannot think of. |
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Post by KeithL on Jun 13, 2019 15:49:40 GMT -5
I can see several potential uses for additional sets of balanced inputs.
- As you suggest, some users may have a separate CD or SACD transport, whose analog outputs they prefer the sound of.
(The Reference Stereo mode on the RMC-1 will allow you to bypass all the processing if you wish to do so.) - Some users many have other source devices with only balanced analog outputs.
(Perhaps something like a professional digital audio tape player... or a high-end vintage tuner.) - Some users may have one or more separate phono preamps that have balanced output.
(Not at all unlikely these days.)
- Some users may want to feed the signal from the output of an entirely separate two-channel system into the RMC-1 as well.
And, for anyone whom more than one of these situations applies, having a few extra balanced inputs could be quite handy.
(The nice thing about optional expansion modules is that you only add them, and pay for them, if you have a use for them.)
Yep, its two channel fully differential. Sorry Bonzo, no 7.1. Lonnie Honest question, what would be the use for the two channel fully differential balanced inputs? Would that be for some type of CD transport that had DAC's that someone would prefer to the RMC's DAC's, or is there some other use that I cannot think of. |
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Post by Lonnie on Jun 13, 2019 16:17:37 GMT -5
Yep, its two channel fully differential. Sorry Bonzo, no 7.1. Lonnie Honest question, what would be the use for the two channel fully differential balanced inputs? Would that be for some type of CD transport that had DAC's that someone would prefer to the RMC's DAC's, or is there some other use that I cannot think of. You are on the right track. We did it for those who have some kind of external DAC that they want to use instead of the internal DACs of the RMC-1. Lonnie |
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Post by ttocs on Jun 13, 2019 16:24:51 GMT -5
I can see several potential uses for additional sets of balanced inputs. - As you suggest, some users may have a separate CD or SACD transport, whose analog outputs they prefer the sound of.
(The Reference Stereo mode on the RMC-1 will allow you to bypass all the processing if you wish to do so.) - Some users many have other source devices with only balanced analog outputs.
(Perhaps something like a professional digital audio tape player... or a high-end vintage tuner.) - Some users may have one or more separate phono preamps that have balanced output.
(Not at all unlikely these days.)
- Some users may want to feed the signal from the output of an entirely separate two-channel system into the RMC-1 as well. And, for anyone whom more than one of these situations applies, having a few extra balanced inputs could be quite handy.
(The nice thing about optional expansion modules is that you only add them, and pay for them, if you have a use for them.)
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Post by KeithL on Jun 13, 2019 16:27:15 GMT -5
I always wondered why it never occurred to Oliver to buy 30 feet of phone wire.....  I can see several potential uses for additional sets of balanced inputs. - As you suggest, some users may have a separate CD or SACD transport, whose analog outputs they prefer the sound of.
(The Reference Stereo mode on the RMC-1 will allow you to bypass all the processing if you wish to do so.) - Some users many have other source devices with only balanced analog outputs.
(Perhaps something like a professional digital audio tape player... or a high-end vintage tuner.) - Some users may have one or more separate phono preamps that have balanced output.
(Not at all unlikely these days.)
- Some users may want to feed the signal from the output of an entirely separate two-channel system into the RMC-1 as well. And, for anyone whom more than one of these situations applies, having a few extra balanced inputs could be quite handy.
(The nice thing about optional expansion modules is that you only add them, and pay for them, if you have a use for them.)
And all I've got is a phone at the top of a pole because the phone company ran out of wire. (for you younger viewers: Green Acres) |
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Post by klinemj on Jun 13, 2019 16:52:07 GMT -5
I'm sorry...But a few folks here have clearly read a few comments, taken them out of context, then decided to get all excited about them. To be honest Keith, your statements lately have done a lot to raise concern on my part. First, you spoke confidently about deewan's issue, but it appears you are confusing it with another issue and are out of the loop on his actual issue. Second, you made a statement that cast significant doubt that any expansion modules would be coming. It's a pretty clear statement from you - that now has been confirmed to have been incorrect, thanks to Lonnie. And, more than that, many people are still having issues with the RMC-1 (esp. w/streaming) and also with the XMC-1 V3 HDMI board. The last I recall seeing officially from Emotiva is "show is over folks...it's working as well as we can make it work". And, Dirac is still not out, and we've heard nothing from Emotiva (but plenty of peripheral information from other sources) about its timing, its features, and whether it will be like the original Dirac "light" vs. Dirac "full" (where to get some valued features, many of us opted to buy the "full" version). Some news about final fixes and Dirac's status/plans would be really helpful to those of us on the fence about getting onto the XMC-2/RMC-1L/RMC-1 train. I can tell you right now that I would not buy any of them until some of these final issues get resolved. I had fully planned to, but given how things have gone the past year - it put me "on the fence". So, it's a lot more than a few folks taking a few comments out of context, at least for me. In the interim, use caution in your own statements in order to eschew obfuscation. Mark |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 13, 2019 17:14:03 GMT -5
Yep, its two channel fully differential. ... Lonnie Honest question, what would be the use for the two channel fully differential balanced inputs? Would that be for some type of CD transport that had DAC's that someone would prefer to the RMC's DAC's, or is there some other use that I cannot think of. I actually use the balanced inputs on my XMC-1 to play the stereo feed from my studio mixer & DC-1. So in my case I’m taking advantage of a balanced line being able to run a long distance (over 50’ in my case). Currently I don’t need a second pair of balanced inputs, but they might be useful. Edit: I agree that of the modules that have been discussed, this is probably a lower priority, I imagine it’s being released early because it doesn’t require much engineering. |
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Post by novisnick on Jun 13, 2019 17:36:03 GMT -5
Woe There! They way it reads to me now is that there is NO PROMISE of ANY MODULE! Just that there are three ports if Emotiva EVER decides to MAKE a MODULE for the RMC-1. This is NOT what I expected to hear from anyone at Emotiva! Im not liking what I’m hearing, @keithl IF I’m mistaken please clear this up NOW! I pray I’m misinterpreting your statements. 2K for a maybe? 😳I can understand why it would read this way so let me first apologize for how it was phrased and put your minds at ease. There will be a number of expansion modules that Kieth is not privy to what all is happening in engineering. We have finished an analog input expansion, next up is the output channel expansion for which we have boards running but they need still need a little work, then there will be sub-woofer expansion, again we have boards but needs additional work. Waiting on prototype boards for the Phono stage and many others in the works. Sorry for any confusion Kieth's post caused. Lonnie Thanks for the post lonnie podcast tomorrow would be perfect! |
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 13, 2019 18:26:37 GMT -5
Honest question, what would be the use for the two channel fully differential balanced inputs? Would that be for some type of CD transport that had DAC's that someone would prefer to the RMC's DAC's, or is there some other use that I cannot think of. You are on the right track. We did it for those who have some kind of external DAC that they want to use instead of the internal DACs of the RMC-1. Lonnie Okay Lonnie, please take this one with humor intended. Really. But I just have to say it. So people who have an Oppo 105 or 205 can use the Oppo DAC for 2 channel XLR playback, but not 7.1, because there are just SO MANY people wanting fully balanced 2 channel vs people who want 7.1. 🙄 So there could be a better 2 channel balanced DAC system than the RMC-1, but there is no way there could be a better 7.1 system than the RMC-1. 🙄 Really, I mean that with like 95% humor. Sure, there is a dig in there, but really, like I've said, I can't blame you or Emotiva for dropping the 7.1 or even more important, 2 channel RCA outputs, because its INDUSTRY wide. I was just hoping you guys would buck the trend like you did with the XMC-1. Oh well. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 13, 2019 18:44:17 GMT -5
I'm sorry...But a few folks here have clearly read a few comments, taken them out of context, then decided to get all excited about them. To be honest Keith, your statements lately have done a lot to raise concern on my part. First, you spoke confidently about deewan's issue, but it appears you are confusing it with another issue and are out of the loop on his actual issue. Second, you made a statement that cast significant doubt that any expansion modules would be coming. It's a pretty clear statement from you - that now has been confirmed to have been incorrect, thanks to Lonnie. And, more than that, many people are still having issues with the RMC-1 (esp. w/streaming) and also with the XMC-1 V3 HDMI board. The last I recall seeing officially from Emotiva is "show is over folks...it's working as well as we can make it work". And, Dirac is still not out, and we've heard nothing from Emotiva (but plenty of peripheral information from other sources) about its timing, its features, and whether it will be like the original Dirac "light" vs. Dirac "full" (where to get some valued features, many of us opted to buy the "full" version). Some news about final fixes and Dirac's status/plans would be really helpful to those of us on the fence about getting onto the XMC-2/RMC-1L/RMC-1 train. I can tell you right now that I would not buy any of them until some of these final issues get resolved. I had fully planned to, but given how things have gone the past year - it put me "on the fence". So, it's a lot more than a few folks taking a few comments out of context, at least for me. In the interim, use caution in your own statements in order to eschew obfuscation. Mark A big HUGE +1. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 13, 2019 19:25:58 GMT -5
I can see several potential uses for additional sets of balanced inputs. - As you suggest, some users may have a separate CD or SACD transport, whose analog outputs they prefer the sound of.
(The Reference Stereo mode on the RMC-1 will allow you to bypass all the processing if you wish to do so.) - Some users many have other source devices with only balanced analog outputs.
(Perhaps something like a professional digital audio tape player... or a high-end vintage tuner.) - Some users may have one or more separate phono preamps that have balanced output.
(Not at all unlikely these days.)
- Some users may want to feed the signal from the output of an entirely separate two-channel system into the RMC-1 as well. And, for anyone whom more than one of these situations applies, having a few extra balanced inputs could be quite handy.
(The nice thing about optional expansion modules is that you only add them, and pay for them, if you have a use for them.)
Honest question, what would be the use for the two channel fully differential balanced inputs? Would that be for some type of CD transport that had DAC's that someone would prefer to the RMC's DAC's, or is there some other use that I cannot think of. Okay no humor here on this one. I usually like and appreciate your posts, but when did you join the Emotiva sales force. NONE of these reasons you list have more users or interests than 7.1 inputs or 2-channel RCA outputs. Not one. So please give me a break on me being old school and out of touch. Sorry man, you are a strong hold for me at Emotiva, but.... |
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 13, 2019 19:27:50 GMT -5
I'm sorry... But a few folks here have clearly read a few comments, taken them out of context, then decided to get all excited about them. You might consider looking at the table that shows the features for yourself. Starting from the XMC-1....
The XMC-1 is a pretty nice processor, with plenty of features, and sound quality that most people agree is rather better than anything else in its price range. The XMC-1 supported 7.2 channels, and Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD Master Audio.
So far that seems to be something worth being happy about. Now we've introduced the XMC-2..... Compared to the XMC-1.... The XMC-2 supports Dolby Atmos and DTS:X..... The XMC-2 supports 16 channels - including Atmos up to 9.1.6..... The XMC-2 also uses better DACs on all of it channels.... and uses those DACs in their even better mono mode on the front three channels...... (And we've offered our customers with XMC-1's a really sweet upgrade deal.)
For a little more, the RMC-1L starts from there...... But the DACs that drive ALL of the channels on the RMC-1L operate in that special mono mode - for the best possible performance.
And the RMC-1L has the fancy dual OLED displays and the fancy single-encoder front-panel control.
And, for another small step up in price...... The RMC-1 offers all of that..... But adds expansion bays..... As someone was quick to point out "there's nothing to plug into them yet"...... HOWEVER, we have several exciting new expansion modules in development..... Among other things they'll enable the RMC-1 to support up to 28 output channels..... Where are the parts that anyone would be unhappy about?
EMOTIVA. You n3ed 5o take a step back and RETHINK AUDIO. You have a lot of angry customers on the processor front. Why are you guys not listening to your customers? What is going on over there? Are you guys going bankrupt soon or closing business, and trying to get as much money before that happens? Complete SALES pitch here Keith. Come on. |
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