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Post by aswiss on Jun 15, 2019 6:22:58 GMT -5
I already own a RMC-1 - and I'm using it daily, with not many issues so far.
For Streaming/DAC/DAB+
I use my CocktailAudio X45 which is connected over XLR to the RMC-1.
I prefer here DIRECT over Reference Stereo as a Sound Mode on the RMC-1 (Ref. Stereo is somehow centering the sound, makes the stage smaller).
For Streaming, I use a HTPC as an intermediate, together with Roon. (Will be replaced later with a dedicated smaller Device)
HTPC is connected to the USB-DAC on the X45 (and using audioquest Jitterbug in the chain to avoid noise from the PC) - no need for an extra Module with a DAC (it already has 1 USB-DAC on the RMC-1)
The X45 can also be used directly for Streaming over LAN and I only use the Balanced OUT - no HDMI or anything else.
DAB+
The X45 has DAB+ onboard - and the capability to rip CDs directly. Since FM is terminated here in switzerland in some years - this is the only way to go for radio (at least here)
A Streaming Module should support Roon as a Roon Certified Device - then it might be interesting for me.
Vinyl
With Phono I use a Rega Aria Phono-Pre - so a Phono Module must be better from sound quality, to motivate me to buy such a module.
And my Phono is wall-mounted so, the connection from phono to pre should be as short as possible - then a Phono module does not help me here.
What I would buy is another (or 2) Balanced Input - because my next phono pre will for sure support XLR OUT as well (current Rega doesn't)
7.1 Analog Input
A 7.1 Input is outdated since new movies do have Atmos/DTS.X - and I'm not sure if the sound quality of analog out from an older BD Player (like oppo) is really better then the RMC-1.
The only usage for such an Input might be SACD 5 Channel from a dedicated SACD Player (which I don't have, I use my oppo203 for those, with HDMI).
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Post by hsamwel on Jun 15, 2019 13:37:57 GMT -5
Me and a friend visited my favourite dealer for HT/HiFi gear today.
We took a trip with my car 3 hours one way. Just to get a demo of RMC-1.
It was connected in 7.2.4 system with some really high end HT speakers at the front and subwoofer.
LCR was active biamped. This system was running uncalibrated, no timing/distance just simple
volume and speaker setup had been done.
Wow! This prepro sounds amazing even uncalibrated! I almost bought it then and there.
I asked him to demo it in action, poking through the menus and so on.
I noticed no bugs, he wasn’t aware of any serious ones either. No audio dropouts or HDMI sync problem.
Although only one unit connected to it, Panasonic UB9000.
He told me it was quite slow to cold start, but that I knew already.
I didn’t think it was overly slow handling setup. The setup looked really simple and quite easy to operate.
Although A LOT of things to setup/change. 😎
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Post by theswede on Jun 15, 2019 14:07:33 GMT -5
I struggle with any logic for a balanced 7.1 analog input. If there would be one audiophile reason to buy the RMC-1 etc it is the digital audio signal processing, dacs and how they are implemented ie mono mode dual diff and general no nonsense supporting circuits and clean signal paths that in the end gives you the sound signature that few or no others can do at these price points.
One could even argue that it is probably the best digital signal processing and dacs currently available and given the specs and the historical evolvement of dacs and audio circuits they are likely to stay as good as it gets for the next 7-10 years.
My point being if you think you already have a better digital audio signal processing/dacs etc and 7.1 channels is enough you should not buy a RMC-1, most of the RMC "greatness" is a waste for you.
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Post by jim80z on Jun 15, 2019 15:31:53 GMT -5
All,
My two cents worth........for now Emotiva should focus on the firmware correction and DIRAC implementation. These two things will feed on each other until they get stability into the system. Until this is done ie Emotiva have a solid base (as promised at launch) to work with it will continue to get body blows in the market place. Set yourself a realistic timeline on this and execute. I agree with some other comments here re SW dev/eng and maybe Emotiva considering getting themselves a gun dev team that's integrated into their HW dev//eng team going forward......felt (to me not knowing anything specifically) like Emotiva engineered some good HW based on clinical standards and then threw it over the fence to a couple of SW guys to deal with the real world? Now it feels like they are maybe hacking away in the background rather than executing a controlled dev with regular releases eg where is their alpha, beta et al program to select ppl/early adopters etc etc etc. Dev is not a trivial space and as a side note I wonder if Emotiva will find issues with the base HW design that might need an update as they iterate?
Also reading the last few pages here, Emotiva need to get themselves a communications plan re development path for SW, HW, modules etc. Ad hoc non-integrated announcements won't help (more body blows).....but regular consistent comms will help eg where are they at with V1.4 et al. Emotiva have a loyal following and what looks like a great piece of gear in the making (reading the comments, when it works its "great")....they need to finish it as quickly as they can as they will be overrun with demand for more channels as Dolby and DTS change the format, HDMI 2.1, 8k etc.
Hopefully this is not news to Emotiva and they are well on the way.....ie focus on the promised base system, comms, quality control and don't get distracted for now.
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Post by petew on Jun 15, 2019 16:19:33 GMT -5
... I wonder if Emotiva will find issues with the base HW design ... I'll bet they already have. |
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Post by andersmi on Jun 15, 2019 17:40:07 GMT -5
I an not from the US, I have been following this thread from the beginning and been very anxious to buy the RMC-1. I took the leap and got it about two weeks ago but I didn't get to watch a full movie, but this weekend I had the time because the wife was out of the house :-) I have a very simple setup. I only have a JVC DLA-X35 and a HTPC in a 5.1.0 setup, I watched these movies: Captive State(DTS-HD) Fast Five(DTS-X) Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom(DTS-X) Avengers Infinity War(Atmos) These movies are watched starting and stopping the movie multible times doing playback, I didn't have any sound issues at all. The only thing I experienced was if I turned off the projector while the RMC-1 was turned on, I had to push the input on the projector to get the RMC to lock on to the HDMI signal. Okay I started to experience small audio dropouts with the RMC-1 some movies with more dropouts than others and some with no dropouts. I just saw a movie where there where a dropout every 12 min after I the forth dropout I tried to set framerate to 60 instead of 24p which I ran in the beginning. After I changed that back there where no dropouts the last hour of the movie. Hope this information can help others that have dropout issues. |
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Post by goozoo on Jun 15, 2019 18:48:00 GMT -5
I an not from the US, I have been following this thread from the beginning and been very anxious to buy the RMC-1. I took the leap and got it about two weeks ago but I didn't get to watch a full movie, but this weekend I had the time because the wife was out of the house :-) I have a very simple setup. I only have a JVC DLA-X35 and a HTPC in a 5.1.0 setup, I watched these movies: Captive State(DTS-HD) Fast Five(DTS-X) Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom(DTS-X) Avengers Infinity War(Atmos) These movies are watched starting and stopping the movie multible times doing playback, I didn't have any sound issues at all. The only thing I experienced was if I turned off the projector while the RMC-1 was turned on, I had to push the input on the projector to get the RMC to lock on to the HDMI signal. Okay I started to experience small audio dropouts with the RMC-1 some movies with more dropouts than others and some with no dropouts. I just saw a movie where there where a dropout every 12 min after I the forth dropout I tried to set framerate to 60 instead of 24p which I ran in the beginning. After I changed that back there where no dropouts the last hour of the movie. Hope this information can help others that have dropout issues. I’m sorry, we’re already past the issue stage and stressing out over add on modules that do not yet exist! 🤪🤪. Seriously, this was one of the solutions I found as well but is anecdotal at best (read does not work for everyone). Perhaps Emotiva will release a firmware sometime to address this. Now back to the hot 🥵 topic of non existent expansion cards and why they can’t play my 30 year old records (ON A CINEMA PROCESSOR OF ALL THINGS!). |
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Post by theblackangus on Jun 15, 2019 18:54:44 GMT -5
Keith, Dirac appears to have stated that you guys have the code you need from Dirac to start the implementation on your side.
Can you find out and validate that, as it would appear you may have old info. If emo has the code from Dirac then that's certainly 1 step closer than "Waiting on someone else"
We are still awaiting the final details, and the final code, from Dirac. (Apparently integrating their code with our processor has proven to be somewhat more complicated than they had first assumed.) Rest assured that we will share all that information with everyone as soon as we actually have it. |
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Post by TDifEQ on Jun 16, 2019 12:16:27 GMT -5
With Keith's expansion board announcement, it's very difficult to determine whether Keith is trying to deflect in order to simmer the angry hordes of vocal RMC-1 owners OR trying to gather marketing information from RMC-1 owners to what RMC-1 expansion boards are needed first. Given I've been bold faced lie to by EMO mgt, I have to say Keith is doing both. Owners can call in or send email to EMO to cast their expansion board vote AND/OR post on this thread ... that's marketing information feedback from actual RMC-1 owners.
EMO mgt deserves all the hate postings on this thread ... it's obvious that EMO's business model reflects this ... because they know how to effectively manage it. "They hate us now, but we'll win them back in the end" ... FOX Book Store in the movie Sleepless in Seattle.
Bottom line: keep dishing it out to EMO mgt ... they expect it AND know how to manage it ... but, don't dish it out to other RMC-1 owners.
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Post by KeithL on Jun 17, 2019 0:10:38 GMT -5
It's not all that complicated. We have a whole bunch of expansion modules "in the works". However, we can't finish them all at once. Which ones get done and offered for sale first will depend on: - which ones people ask for the most (both on this forum and in various other ways) - which ones we believe will be the easiest to design and build - which ones actually get finished the soonest (unexpected complications and delays do sometimes happen). With Keith's expansion board announcement, it's very difficult to determine whether Keith is trying to deflect in order to simmer the angry hordes of vocal RMC-1 owners OR trying to gather marketing information from RMC-1 owners to what RMC-1 expansion boards are needed first. Given I've been bold faced lie to by EMO mgt, I have to say Keith is doing both. Owners can call in or send email to EMO to cast their expansion board vote AND/OR post on this thread ... that's marketing information feedback from actual RMC-1 owners. EMO mgt deserves all the hate postings on this thread ... it's obvious that EMO's business model reflects this ... because they know how to effectively manage it. "They hate us now, but we'll win them back in the end" ... FOX Book Store in the movie Sleepless in Seattle. Bottom line: keep dishing it out to EMO mgt ... they expect it AND know how to manage it ... but, don't dish it out to other RMC-1 owners. |
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Post by mick on Jun 17, 2019 1:13:24 GMT -5
Well Keith,
Reading all the post here MOST want more subs and streaming modules, end of story.
Can someone put up a poll? and lets find out what people want whether they own a RMC-1 or not.
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Post by goozoo on Jun 17, 2019 2:40:29 GMT -5
Well Keith, Reading all the post here MOST want more subs and streaming modules, end of story. Can someone put up a poll? and lets find out what people want whether they own a RMC-1 or not. To be honest, what I would like to see most is a fully functional unit with no problems. We just got done watching a movie and every time we hit pause then start again, it would lose the ATMOS signal and downgrade to 7.1 surround. I don’t understand how people could be making such a big deal about the expansion boards when the darn thing is still hobbling along. For example, just because you have a board that allows you to plug in 4 subs doesn’t mean anything more than just that. There is no plan to revamp the menu system (which in itself is not up to par), no web based or VNC client to control the unit and provide real bass management for those 4 subs to act as boundary woofers (which they now know from reading this post), etc, etc. In 2017 the RMC-1 had a chance to be a breakout product that would be a game changer for the industry, but because of poor planning and implementation, they are where they are half way through 2019. Unfortunately the more I continue to work with this product the more I am convinced it will be years (or a very long time) before they finally catch up to the tier they are chasing. Very sad indeed given the sheer potential and proper execution. |
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Post by mick on Jun 17, 2019 4:29:20 GMT -5
Well Keith, Reading all the post here MOST want more subs and streaming modules, end of story. Can someone put up a poll? and lets find out what people want whether they own a RMC-1 or not. To be honest, what I would like to see most is a fully functional unit with no problems. We just got done watching a movie and every time we hit pause then start again, it would lose the ATMOS signal and downgrade to 7.1 surround. I don’t understand how people could be making such a big deal about the expansion boards when the darn thing is still hobbling along. For example, just because you have a board that allows you to plug in 4 subs doesn’t mean anything more than just that. There is no plan to revamp the menu system (which in itself is not up to par), no web based or VNC client to control the unit and provide real bass management for those 4 subs to act as boundary woofers (which they now know from reading this post), etc, etc. In 2017 the RMC-1 had a chance to be a breakout product that would be a game changer for the industry, but because of poor planning and implementation, they are where they are half way through 2019. Unfortunately the more I continue to work with this product the more I am convinced it will be years (or a very long time) before they finally catch up to the tier they are chasing. Very sad indeed given the sheer potential and proper execution. Yes i agree totally goozoo, number one priority should be a fully working processor ( not 95% ) before all else, shouldn't even be talking about modules at this stage. |
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Post by aswiss on Jun 17, 2019 4:58:40 GMT -5
why they can’t play my 30 year old records (ON A CINEMA PROCESSOR OF ALL THINGS!). Maybe I did not see/read everything, but honestly - why should RMC-1 play a record? Whats missing?
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Post by cwt on Jun 17, 2019 6:19:30 GMT -5
Well Keith, Reading all the post here MOST want more subs and streaming modules, end of story. Can someone put up a poll? and lets find out what people want whether they own a RMC-1 or not. I think a poll would be lost among the others citing possible add ons Mick  Lonnie has prioritized what we get when we get it .. As you intimate ; there are 2 good reasons why separate is better . 1- better isolation of the low level pre amp level signals and 2- those who consider vinyl as something to consign to history - ducks for cover  |
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Post by TDifEQ on Jun 17, 2019 14:10:44 GMT -5
Can we get a 1.4 update from Lonnie?
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Post by hsamwel on Jun 17, 2019 14:28:36 GMT -5
I hope so.. I’m really close in finalizing a deal for a RMC-1 😎
Too bad Mr Trump has raised the cost for us i europe. RMC is insanely expensive here in Sweden.
It cost about twice as much as AV8805
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Post by TDifEQ on Jun 17, 2019 14:33:36 GMT -5
Maybe I did not see/read everything, but honestly - why should RMC-1 play a record? Whats missing?
Not interested in buying a phono expansion board. Just curious to know what EMO's specifications are for the phone board since @keithl mentioned it. So KeithL, ... what are the specifications for the phono board ... if there are not any, why did you mention it? Owners and non-Owners: you should dish out your rage at @keithl for mentioning expansion boards and not mentioning anything concerning streaming issues ... if that's your state of mind. Seems like anything that's not addressing streaming issues you guys view as hostile post. You're literally sucking the oxygen out of this thread where no one can ask a non-streaming question. You should start your own thread ... else ... I will start one that's not so toxic. End of Rant. Original Post: Interested with following priority: 1. Firmware 1.4 2. Dirac ... full release including support for multiple subwoofers and advance bass mgt 3. (1) additional subwoofer channels board, min of 3 XLR ports needed (4 subwoofer xlr ports to a board?) 4. (1) add on main/surround channel board, 4 ports ... when Dolby/DTS:X supports more speakers Curious about a phono preamp. Will it support old school United Audio record player from 1973? lol |
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Post by aswiss on Jun 17, 2019 14:49:43 GMT -5
Maybe I did not see/read everything, but honestly - why should RMC-1 play a record? Whats missing?
Not interested in a phono expansion board. Just curious to know what EMO's specifications are for the phone board since @keithl mentioned it. So KeithL, ... what are the specifications for the phono board ... if there are not any, why did you mention it? What exactly do you want to see in these Specs for an Analog Phono Pre Module? If someone is having a good Phono, then he will anyway buy a seperate PhonoPre.
From my point of view - this is a goodie - not more not less - never expected to have a phono connected in a homecinema.
I have a Rega Aria PhonoPre - which is around 1400$ new - so I would never expect, that a Module in a AV Pre would top this.
And a phono pre should be always tested home with your setup - don't think, that Emo will send this out, just to let it test.
I would never buy a module, that I cannot test at home. my2cents about Phono Pre.
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Post by aswiss on Jun 17, 2019 14:52:41 GMT -5
I hope so.. I’m really close in finalizing a deal for a RMC-1 😎 Too bad Mr Trump has raised the cost for us i europe. RMC is insanely expensive here in Sweden. It cost about twice as much as AV8805 What are the prices in sweden? In Germany - its 5499 € (6170 US $) with 19% Tax included. I got mine for a bit less.
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Lonnie has prioritized what we get when we get it .. 
