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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 12, 2020 18:30:29 GMT -5
I’d think that would only be possible if Dolby Surround is available while that input is active. Have you tried PCM? I haven't tried converting to PCM yet in the player. The only mode for DSD is DSD Direct. I may be losing my mind but I thought I read somewhere that the surrounds could be copied to the rears. I’ve wanted ‘copy side to rear’ since the XMC-1, an old Anthem AVM30 had it, but none of the Emos. I’d expect PCM from SACD to let you use Dolby Surround, which can actually sound pretty good with some music.
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Post by shellcode1 on Apr 12, 2020 19:00:21 GMT -5
Also, of course, the proper Hi-Speed HDMI cables are needed (I bought some very cheap 8K certified cables from Amazon, even though I don't use 8K, as I reasoned that these should also allow ARC, e-ARC (which we don't have) etc etc)) There are no "officially" certified 8K cables commercially available yet (I noticed ttocs use the term as well recently). Yes there are cable manufacturers making the claim (and perhaps they do meet the throughput requirement) - but they aren't "certified". It's not even clear on the HDMI.org website, whether the testing mechanism is even in place - last reported to be available in Q1 - 2020. Agree with your post that shellcode1 issues sound like a "classic cable problem". I previously prompted him in that direction, but not sure whether he took any of the advice on board. I've been trying to get this to work and purchased some certified cables for the ATV and the rmc to TV connection over the hdmi out port 2 and still can't get it to work well with my Samsung Q90 strangely enough setting the hdmi on the rmc to 1.4 works... but I only get 4k SDR.... if I by pass the RMC I get full 4K but the optical in on the RMC it's only reporting PCM 2.0 no matter the content. this all worked fine with the OLED... most so frustrating, does any one have a brand of cables they can recommend and are also using the Q90... I have spend about enough on this already but want to give the RMC one more chance. the TV is amazing and I don't think I'll be sending it back ....
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Post by shellcode1 on Apr 12, 2020 20:39:31 GMT -5
I have my Q90R 82" connected to my RMC-1l HDMI output 2 and it works fine and I get 4K but can not get ARC to work. If I need audio out from the Q90R I use the optical out on the connect one box to the RMC-1L and label it to input 7 on the RMC remote it's simple and it works it gives the same audio formats as ARC. I also could not get ARC to work with my XMC-1 to my Pioneer Elite 60". I did not like the quality on the Q90R streaming app. so I purchased A Nivida Shield Pro works great with the RMC and Q90R. do you mind posting your settings and cable brand? I cannot get video from ATV to RMC-1 and out to the Q90 no matter what I do. it does work if I set HDMI to 1.4 on the RMC but lose HDR... if I go directly to the Q90 I get full resolution but optical to the RMC only detects PCM 2.0. I running v1.9 on the RMC connected to hdmi 2 out. I all CEC settings turned off through the chain.. most Thanks
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 12, 2020 20:56:26 GMT -5
There are no "officially" certified 8K cables commercially available yet (I noticed ttocs use the term as well recently). Yes there are cable manufacturers making the claim (and perhaps they do meet the throughput requirement) - but they aren't "certified". It's not even clear on the HDMI.org website, whether the testing mechanism is even in place - last reported to be available in Q1 - 2020. Agree with your post that shellcode1 issues sound like a "classic cable problem". I previously prompted him in that direction, but not sure whether he took any of the advice on board. I've been trying to get this to work and purchased some certified cables for the ATV and the rmc to TV connection over the hdmi out port 2 and still can't get it to work well with my Samsung Q90 strangely enough setting the hdmi on the rmc to 1.4 works... but I only get 4k SDR.... if I by pass the RMC I get full 4K but the optical in on the RMC it's only reporting PCM 2.0 no matter the content. this all worked fine with the OLED... most so frustrating, does any one have a brand of cables they can recommend and are also using the Q90... I have spend about enough on this already but want to give the RMC one more chance. the TV is amazing and I don't think I'll be sending it back .... Several certified cables will allow ATV4K to pass full resolution + HDR / DV with the new processors. Try this thread, but also seek out info on your display. emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/55536/best-hdmi-cables-xmc-rmc
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Post by steelman1991 on Apr 13, 2020 4:42:19 GMT -5
There are no "officially" certified 8K cables commercially available yet (I noticed ttocs use the term as well recently). Yes there are cable manufacturers making the claim (and perhaps they do meet the throughput requirement) - but they aren't "certified". It's not even clear on the HDMI.org website, whether the testing mechanism is even in place - last reported to be available in Q1 - 2020. Agree with your post that shellcode1 issues sound like a "classic cable problem". I previously prompted him in that direction, but not sure whether he took any of the advice on board. I've been trying to get this to work and purchased some certified cables for the ATV and the rmc to TV connection over the hdmi out port 2 and still can't get it to work well with my Samsung Q90 strangely enough setting the hdmi on the rmc to 1.4 works... but I only get 4k SDR.... if I by pass the RMC I get full 4K but the optical in on the RMC it's only reporting PCM 2.0 no matter the content. this all worked fine with the OLED... most so frustrating, does any one have a brand of cables they can recommend and are also using the Q90... I have spend about enough on this already but want to give the RMC one more chance. the TV is amazing and I don't think I'll be sending it back .... Which cables did you purchase - got a link? As @ AudioHTIT has suggested I'd seek out some further information on your TV, thorough owner's threads on AVS Forum for example. More as a throw away line than anything else - but are you trying to use "eARC" on your TV at all?
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Post by jonstatt on Apr 13, 2020 6:11:52 GMT -5
I haven't tried converting to PCM yet in the player. The only mode for DSD is DSD Direct. I may be losing my mind but I thought I read somewhere that the surrounds could be copied to the rears. I’ve wanted ‘copy side to rear’ since the XMC-1, an old Anthem AVM30 had it, but none of the Emos. I’d expect PCM from SACD to let you use Dolby Surround, which can actually sound pretty good with some music. I'm not going insane. Its a feature listed in the manual!! But doesn't tell you how to do it! @keithl could you kindly clarify?
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Post by hsamwel on Apr 13, 2020 6:43:31 GMT -5
When listening to 5.1 DSD from a multichannel SACD, the sound comes out the side surrounds. I thought I read somewhere the sound could also come out the rears but I can't see where this option is. Is this possible? This is not possible on RMC! DSD Direct sends the 5.1 channels directly to each channel with full frequency range. So unless you have large full range speakers all around you’ll not getting the complete sound. RMC only offers Neural:X and Dolby Surround as possible upmixers. Both upmix to all available channels. However, if you make a preset with only 7.1 channels active, decode the DSD stream in the player and use Dolby Surround you’ll achieve what you want. This way you also get the bass management and don’t miss out on any sound.
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Post by jonstatt on Apr 13, 2020 6:52:23 GMT -5
When listening to 5.1 DSD from a multichannel SACD, the sound comes out the side surrounds. I thought I read somewhere the sound could also come out the rears but I can't see where this option is. Is this possible? This is not possible on RMC! DSD Direct sends the 5.1 channels directly to each channel with full frequency range. So unless you have large full range speakers all around you’ll not getting the complete sound. RMC only offers Neural:X and Dolby Surround as possible upmixers. Both upmix to all available channels. However, if you make a preset with only 7.1 channels active, decode the DSD stream in the player and use Dolby Surround you’ll achieve what you want. This way you also get the bass management and don’t miss out on any sound. Then the manual is wrong!! See my direct quote from it in the post above.
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Post by hsamwel on Apr 13, 2020 7:11:47 GMT -5
I’ve wanted ‘copy side to rear’ since the XMC-1, an old Anthem AVM30 had it, but none of the Emos. I’d expect PCM from SACD to let you use Dolby Surround, which can actually sound pretty good with some music. I'm not going insane. Its a feature listed in the manual!! But doesn't tell you how to do it! @keithl could you kindly clarify? This must be a feature planned but not added (yet?). I wanted to have this feature for DTS ES matrix and Dolby Digital EX but was told to to use DSU and Neural:X. My previous Pioneer and a friends Yamaha do upmix any 5.1 track automatically to 7.1 unless straight or Pure Direct modes are chosen. Only DSU or Neural:X upmixes to height channels on these processors.
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Post by hsamwel on Apr 13, 2020 7:20:34 GMT -5
This is not possible on RMC! DSD Direct sends the 5.1 channels directly to each channel with full frequency range. So unless you have large full range speakers all around you’ll not getting the complete sound. RMC only offers Neural:X and Dolby Surround as possible upmixers. Both upmix to all available channels. However, if you make a preset with only 7.1 channels active, decode the DSD stream in the player and use Dolby Surround you’ll achieve what you want. This way you also get the bass management and don’t miss out on any sound. Then the manual is wrong!! See my direct quote from it in the post above. I guess it is. But this option would be nice. Quite a simple add also I would guess. No mixing, only duplicate to outputs. They could also add a duplicate Reference Stereo signal to subwoofer left/right while adding this feature With HF and LF filters.. Nice for stereo with bookshelfs+subs.
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Post by shellcode1 on Apr 13, 2020 7:58:38 GMT -5
I've been trying to get this to work and purchased some certified cables for the ATV and the rmc to TV connection over the hdmi out port 2 and still can't get it to work well with my Samsung Q90 strangely enough setting the hdmi on the rmc to 1.4 works... but I only get 4k SDR.... if I by pass the RMC I get full 4K but the optical in on the RMC it's only reporting PCM 2.0 no matter the content. this all worked fine with the OLED... most so frustrating, does any one have a brand of cables they can recommend and are also using the Q90... I have spend about enough on this already but want to give the RMC one more chance. the TV is amazing and I don't think I'll be sending it back .... Which cables did you purchase - got a link? As @ AudioHTIT has suggested I'd seek out some further information on your TV, thorough owner's threads on AVS Forum for example. More as a throw away line than anything else - but are you trying to use "eARC" on your TV at all? I ended up figuring things out last night. HDMI 1 and 3 on inputs on the RMC dont work as expected.. I changed to HDMI 5 on THE RMC just out of random things to try and it works now... it survived a power cycle and appears to be stable. I love the RMC and my previous XMC but I can't believe this requires that much tinkering when bypassing the RMC works 100%. I get that there are bad quality cables or whatever but those same cables work fine with other gear. i have ordered the belkins I found on the link provided above that seem to be highly recommended www.amazon.com/dp/B075N83B9X/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_apa_i_2ggLEbP2NGW2CThanks everyone for your help! I finally have video and audio.
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Post by steelman1991 on Apr 13, 2020 8:14:38 GMT -5
Which cables did you purchase - got a link? As @ AudioHTIT has suggested I'd seek out some further information on your TV, thorough owner's threads on AVS Forum for example. More as a throw away line than anything else - but are you trying to use "eARC" on your TV at all? I ended up figuring things out last night. HDMI 1 and 3 inputs dont work as expected.. I changed to HDMI 5 just out of random things to try and it works now... it survived a power cycle and appears to be stable. I love the RMC and my previous XMC but I can't believe this requires that much tinkering when bypassing the RMC works 100%. I get that there are bad quality cables or whatever but those same cables work fine with other gear. i have ordered the belkins I found on the link provided above that seem to be highly recommended www.amazon.com/dp/B075N83B9X/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_apa_i_2ggLEbP2NGW2CThanks everyone for your help! I finally have video and audio. Yet NOT "Premium Certified" . The comments and suggestions aren't around the "quality" of the cables, but that they have been tested to provide the throughput capable of providng the equipment with the required signal. Seems strange to have all this high-end gear, get all sorts of issues yet not use one that gives the best chance of success - here is one and it's $32 cheaper - www.amazon.com/Monoprice-Certified-Premium-Ultra-Speed/dp/B074FFM8NH/ref=sr_1_1?crid=28B6O50NFUUF1&dchild=1&keywords=premium%2Bcertified%2Bhigh%2Bspeed%2Bhdmi%2Bcable&qid=1586783568&sprefix=premium%2Bcertified%2Caps%2C-1&sr=8-1&th=1I doubt it has anything to do with the RMC1 and everything to do with the cables and the the fact that the Samsung is "flakey" on some of its HDMI inputs. Good that it works for you now.
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Post by shellcode1 on Apr 13, 2020 8:30:07 GMT -5
maybe I should have been more clear, I changed HDMI inputs on the RMC-1, all the Samsung inputs work fine..... BTW I did buy more cables and actually the ones you provided on that link to use "certified" in the end I went back to my original investment using the blue jeans I bought to go with my RMC as originally intended. I point of the story. I horrible QA on the RMC.. seems like all other vendors you can just use any cable and works fine..
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Post by steelman1991 on Apr 13, 2020 8:39:15 GMT -5
maybe I should have been more clear, I changed HDMI inputs on the RMC-1, all the Samsung inputs work fine..... BTW I did buy more cables and actually the ones you provided on that link to use "certified" in the end I went back to my original investment using the blue jeans I bought to go with my RMC as originally intended. I point of the story. I horrible QA on the RMC.. seems like all other vendors you can just use any cable and works fine.. Yeah might have been clearer on that point If only your comment about "all other vendors" and "any cable" were true.
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Post by shellcode1 on Apr 13, 2020 8:43:35 GMT -5
maybe I should have been more clear, I changed HDMI inputs on the RMC-1, all the Samsung inputs work fine..... BTW I did buy more cables and actually the ones you provided on that link to use "certified" in the end I went back to my original investment using the blue jeans I bought to go with my RMC as originally intended. I point of the story. I horrible QA on the RMC.. seems like all other vendors you can just use any cable and works fine.. Yeah might have been clearer on that point If only your comment about "all other vendors" and "any cable" were true. yeah I agree lol. well let's just say for me and my 3 different TV brands and 10 different input sources all work with the same cables but the emotiva gear requires me to buy a palet full of different cables to find "that right one".. just obsurb there is no logic or argument to justify that. let's say by the off chance they only use one cable brand to develop and QA the gear...provide the "preferred" brand to your costumers so they don't have to go out and buy pallets of cables to find one that works....
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Post by cawgijoe on Apr 13, 2020 8:50:40 GMT -5
maybe I should have been more clear, I changed HDMI inputs on the RMC-1, all the Samsung inputs work fine..... BTW I did buy more cables and actually the ones you provided on that link to use "certified" in the end I went back to my original investment using the blue jeans I bought to go with my RMC as originally intended. I point of the story. I horrible QA on the RMC.. seems like all other vendors you can just use any cable and works fine.. Yeah might have been clearer on that point If only your comment about "all other vendors" and "any cable" were true. I've switched out all my HDMI cables to "certified" cables. Using Monoprice for the majority though I do have a couple Audioquest "slinky" cables (thin) that I use on my Oppo 203 and Apple TV 4K. They are also "certified". I have had no issues with picture going from my XMC-2 and Samsung 8500 TV (2015 4K model). I do have sound drop out issues using Directv as I've stated in other posts that I'm hoping will be resolved via firmware update eventually. I'm on 1.9.1. Intermittent. Simple switch from one channel and back brings back audio, or switching between "Preset 1 and Preset 2" on the remote rectifies the issue. The Q series Samsung TVs seem to have more issues than most and makes me leery about purchasing one. Besides, I would like to have the Dolby Vision in the future and Samsung doesn't support it currently. I'm happy that you at least got things working, but if you haven't done so, I would follow up with Emotiva Support. That way it's reported or maybe there is a solution....who knows.
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Post by steelman1991 on Apr 13, 2020 9:21:14 GMT -5
Yeah might have been clearer on that point If only your comment about "all other vendors" and "any cable" were true. I've switched out all my HDMI cables to "certified" cables. Using Monoprice for the majority though I do have a couple Audioquest "slinky" cables (thin) that I use on my Oppo 203 and Apple TV 4K. They are also "certified". I have had no issues with picture going from my XMC-2 and Samsung 8500 TV (2015 4K model). I do have sound drop out issues using Directv as I've stated in other posts that I'm hoping will be resolved via firmware update eventually. I'm on 1.9.1. Intermittent. Simple switch from one channel and back brings back audio, or switching between "Preset 1 and Preset 2" on the remote rectifies the issue. The Q series Samsung TVs seem to have more issues than most and makes me leery about purchasing one. Besides, I would like to have the Dolby Vision in the future and Samsung doesn't support it currently. I'm happy that you at least got things working, but if you haven't done so, I would follow up with Emotiva Support. That way it's reported or maybe there is a solution....who knows. Glad you've got a working set-up, but the "Audioquest" cables aren't "Premium Certified" - AFAIK none of their cables are. They may claim to be 18Gbs compatible and work, but they aren't "Certified". Just pointing out in case others might be looking in. I only reply to point out that there is no specific cable, or combination required to get the RMC-1, or XMC-2 in your case, to play nice, as you and shellcode1 have shown. Having a poke around the Samsung Q series threads over at AVS forum, they do seem to have their fair share of issues. Me, I have all "Premium Certified" cables and have "no issues". I would suggest that having "tested" cables would at least give users a better chance of a working set-up than having cables which don't. Anyway each to their own and if it works with existing cables, then you've won a watch.
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Post by bblv on Apr 13, 2020 10:12:17 GMT -5
I have Control4 firing up my RMC-1 and JVC NX7 projector and automatically selecting the source (which are always on). I find that I always have to switch inputs to get the video to show up which is wearing my patience thin - is there a recommended bout order or delay needed between booting the receiver or projector for the RMC to work properly every time?
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Post by cawgijoe on Apr 13, 2020 10:19:59 GMT -5
I've switched out all my HDMI cables to "certified" cables. Using Monoprice for the majority though I do have a couple Audioquest "slinky" cables (thin) that I use on my Oppo 203 and Apple TV 4K. They are also "certified". I have had no issues with picture going from my XMC-2 and Samsung 8500 TV (2015 4K model). I do have sound drop out issues using Directv as I've stated in other posts that I'm hoping will be resolved via firmware update eventually. I'm on 1.9.1. Intermittent. Simple switch from one channel and back brings back audio, or switching between "Preset 1 and Preset 2" on the remote rectifies the issue. The Q series Samsung TVs seem to have more issues than most and makes me leery about purchasing one. Besides, I would like to have the Dolby Vision in the future and Samsung doesn't support it currently. I'm happy that you at least got things working, but if you haven't done so, I would follow up with Emotiva Support. That way it's reported or maybe there is a solution....who knows. Glad you've got a working set-up, but the "Audioquest" cables aren't "Premium Certified" - AFAIK none of their cables are. They may claim to be 18Gbs compatible and work, but they aren't "Certified". Just pointing out in case others might be looking in. I only reply to point out that there is no specific cable, or combination required to get the RMC-1, or XMC-2 in your case, to play nice, as you and shellcode1 have shown. Having a poke around the Samsung Q series threads over at AVS forum, they do seem to have their fair share of issues. Me, I have all "Premium Certified" cables and have "no issues". I would suggest that having "tested" cables would at least give users a better chance of a working set-up than having cables which don't. Anyway each to their own and if it works with existing cables, then you've won a watch. It looks like the Audioquest cables are not officially certified as you said, however this is the quote from their website: "All AudioQuest 18Gbps High Speed HDMI are guaranteed to have the 18Gbps bandwidth required for compelling features like 8K/30, HDR (High Dynamic Range) and eARC (enhanced Audio Return Channel)." My assumption would be that if you buy them and they don't work, you can return. They would probably do themselves some good to have them independently tested. Getting back to my HDMI cables....my previous generation of cables from Monoprice that were not certified for 4K worked fine with my Samsung TV with 1080p or 4K. I only upgraded them with my XMC-1 when I had it for future-proofing and because they were inexpensive. Agree with you on the better chance of things working out with "tested" cables. I am however still concerned about Samsung's Q TV sets in light of issues also seen on AVS forum.
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Post by megash0n on Apr 13, 2020 10:26:18 GMT -5
I bought some premium monoprice 8k cables and haven't had any issues with cables since. Now, I've had audio lock issues with certain firmware, but it isn't the cables anymore.
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