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Post by Thunderduck on May 14, 2020 8:16:49 GMT -5
Having an interesting problem with 1.10.
Standby mode is set for Video Remains On. The tv's video and audio is working as it should. However, when I turn the RMC on, I lose the tv's audio. Changing to an HDMI input that is not in use does not solve the issue. Changing mode also does not help. The strange thing is that I can go to my ATV4K or Roku and I get audio as well as video. But, I go back to the input that the tv is on, I once again have no audio. The only way I can get audio back with the RMC on, is to change Standby to Lowest Power, turn off the RMC and then turn it back on. When the RMC finishes starting up, I now have audio and video on the tv's input. Any ideas?
I am going to go back and reload firmware 1.7/6 (the last good version as I recall) and then work forward and see where I lose the tv audio.
Thanks for any help.
Steve
EDIT: I should note that it will take a little time to see if this works because the unit works when only turned off for a short time, maybe an hour. If turned off longer that 2 hours I lose the audio. May have to do it overnight to really know.
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Post by geebo on May 14, 2020 8:38:17 GMT -5
Having an interesting problem with 1.10. Standby mode is set for Video Remains On. The tv's video and audio is working as it should. However, when I turn the RMC on, I lose the tv's audio. Changing to an HDMI input that is not in use does not solve the issue. Changing mode also does not help. The strange thing is that I can go to my ATV4K or Roku and I get audio as well as video. But, I go back to the input that the tv is on, I once again have no audio. The only way I can get audio back with the RMC on, is to change Standby to Lowest Power, turn off the RMC and then turn it back on. When the RMC finishes starting up, I now have audio and video on the tv's input. Any ideas? I am going to go back and reload firmware 1.7/6 (the last good version as I recall) and then work forward and see where I lose the tv audio. Thanks for any help. Steve EDIT: I should note that it will take a little time to see if this works because the unit works when only turned off for a short time, maybe an hour. If turned off longer that 2 hours I lose the audio. May have to do it overnight to really know. Did you try a factory reset and disconnect the power for a minute?
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Post by Thunderduck on May 14, 2020 8:39:49 GMT -5
Having an interesting problem with 1.10. Standby mode is set for Video Remains On. The tv's video and audio is working as it should. However, when I turn the RMC on, I lose the tv's audio. Changing to an HDMI input that is not in use does not solve the issue. Changing mode also does not help. The strange thing is that I can go to my ATV4K or Roku and I get audio as well as video. But, I go back to the input that the tv is on, I once again have no audio. The only way I can get audio back with the RMC on, is to change Standby to Lowest Power, turn off the RMC and then turn it back on. When the RMC finishes starting up, I now have audio and video on the tv's input. Any ideas? I am going to go back and reload firmware 1.7/6 (the last good version as I recall) and then work forward and see where I lose the tv audio. Thanks for any help. Steve EDIT: I should note that it will take a little time to see if this works because the unit works when only turned off for a short time, maybe an hour. If turned off longer that 2 hours I lose the audio. May have to do it overnight to really know. Did you try a factory reset and disconnect the power for a minute? I did do a factor reset and turned the power off with the rocker switch. Maybe I should disconnect the power cable as well? EDIT: Have gone back to firmware 1.7/6. Will give that a try today and see how it goes.
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Post by megash0n on May 14, 2020 9:12:32 GMT -5
Loaded up v1.10 and the extra speed in the menus is really appreciated. That alone makes me feel much better about my decision of hanging onto the RMC-1. No issues in my several hours of demoing music and video so far. Going to get into the PEQ's and new measurements with REW tomorrow. Interested to hear your results. Are you anticipating any major changes, from what, I presume you've already achieved with REW, other than the obvious correction to bass EQ in the RMC-1. Though I'd imagine you've already done that through the miniDSP.
Just had a friend calibrate my set-up (REW and miniDSP) and it sings. Hard to imagine an improvement - though like most in this hobby, I will continue to chase every little improvement I can get I'm following the thread you are on regarding the Dirac Live Bass Control. Did you guys rely on the new alignment tool in REW? I'm looking to play around with things again since PEQ now works and I moved one of my subs a bit after modelling for a better theoretical location. Now to decide whether to continue using MiniDSP or go straight to my amp from the RMC.
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Post by KeithL on May 14, 2020 9:20:34 GMT -5
I think I'm a little bit confused here. From your description it sounds like things are working exactly as they're supposed to.
When the RMC-1 is ON, the RMC-1 should be playing the audio, and you should NOT have audio being passed to the TV. When the RMC-1 is in High Power Standby we are essentially extracting the audio, decoding it, mixing it down into stereo, and then sending it to the TV.
And, when we're in Low Power Standby, we DON'T do that. However, when the RMC-1 is ON, the video that is passed to the TV should NOT include audio.
(This is normal for most if not all modern processors... when the processor is on, and playing audio, NO audio is sent to the TV. ) (We normally phrase that as: "the processor strips off the audio, processes it, and plays it"...) (If you WANT audio to be passed to the TV... that's what High Power Standby is for...)
Having an interesting problem with 1.10. Standby mode is set for Video Remains On. The tv's video and audio is working as it should. However, when I turn the RMC on, I lose the tv's audio. Changing to an HDMI input that is not in use does not solve the issue. Changing mode also does not help. The strange thing is that I can go to my ATV4K or Roku and I get audio as well as video. But, I go back to the input that the tv is on, I once again have no audio. The only way I can get audio back with the RMC on, is to change Standby to Lowest Power, turn off the RMC and then turn it back on. When the RMC finishes starting up, I now have audio and video on the tv's input. Any ideas? I am going to go back and reload firmware 1.7/6 (the last good version as I recall) and then work forward and see where I lose the tv audio. Thanks for any help. Steve EDIT: I should note that it will take a little time to see if this works because the unit works when only turned off for a short time, maybe an hour. If turned off longer that 2 hours I lose the audio. May have to do it overnight to really know.
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Post by Lonnie on May 14, 2020 9:27:31 GMT -5
They should be relatively the same but it all depends on content, speaker configs, etc. But in general, the relative level should be close. Lonnie Lonnie - can you confirm whether "cross upmixing" has been introduced in this firmware upgrade. Hadn't tried them prior to this, so no way of knowing if it is working as expected or not. Tried a FF title (DTS-HD MA track) and switched on the fly to DSU. The OSD showed DSU and continued to play, creating a great sounding upmix, but not sure whether it was defaulting to Neural:X, but showing DSU on the OSD. Confused? ? you will be lol. Thanks - this is great upgrade - kudos to all.
Not yet. Its on the docket, just not implemented yet. That requires a deep rework of the DSP code. So the progression is this. Get 1.10 out which has the rewrite of of the OS and has the foundational code for Dirac. Then release Dirac and then the channel expansion modules which will have the DSP rework in it for applying Dolby or DTS to any stream. Everything in order or we are all up the creek. Lonnie
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Post by Lonnie on May 14, 2020 9:30:15 GMT -5
That would be correct. Lonnie Thanks you for your straightforward answer Lonnie. I'm hoping that either the 'extra cost' Dirac multiple subwoofer bass management system (software?) and/or Emotiva's upcoming extra channel module can address this more thoroughly, especially for those who have more than 3 subs. Right now the plan is to get Dirac out and then work on the bass version in a later release. Dirac bass is an option you will have to purchase from Dirac, we will make the processor compatible with all three versions. Lonnie
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Post by steelman1991 on May 14, 2020 9:33:04 GMT -5
Interested to hear your results. Are you anticipating any major changes, from what, I presume you've already achieved with REW, other than the obvious correction to bass EQ in the RMC-1. Though I'd imagine you've already done that through the miniDSP.
Just had a friend calibrate my set-up (REW and miniDSP) and it sings. Hard to imagine an improvement - though like most in this hobby, I will continue to chase every little improvement I can get I'm following the thread you are on regarding the Dirac Live Bass Control. Did you guys rely on the new alignment tool in REW? I'm looking to play around with things again since PEQ now works and I moved one of my subs a bit after modelling for a better theoretical location. Now to decide whether to continue using MiniDSP or go straight to my amp from the RMC. The one on AVForums mate?
If we did, then it must have been included in the REW beta version I had downloaded as I don't remember downloading anything separately. Basically I sat in front of my laptop and watched the cursor magically move around
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Post by Thunderduck on May 14, 2020 9:36:27 GMT -5
I think I'm a little bit confused here. From your description it sounds like things are working exactly as they're supposed to.
When the RMC-1 is ON, the RMC-1 should be playing the audio, and you should NOT have audio being passed to the TV. When the RMC-1 is in High Power Standby we are essentially extracting the audio, decoding it, mixing it down into stereo, and then sending it to the TV.
And, when we're in Low Power Standby, we DON'T do that. However, when the RMC-1 is ON, the video that is passed to the TV should NOT include audio.
(This is normal for most if not all modern processors... when the processor is on, and playing audio, NO audio is sent to the TV. ) (We normally phrase that as: "the processor strips off the audio, processes it, and plays it"...) (If you WANT audio to be passed to the TV... that's what High Power Standby is for...)
Having an interesting problem with 1.10. Standby mode is set for Video Remains On. The tv's video and audio is working as it should. However, when I turn the RMC on, I lose the tv's audio. Changing to an HDMI input that is not in use does not solve the issue. Changing mode also does not help. The strange thing is that I can go to my ATV4K or Roku and I get audio as well as video. But, I go back to the input that the tv is on, I once again have no audio. The only way I can get audio back with the RMC on, is to change Standby to Lowest Power, turn off the RMC and then turn it back on. When the RMC finishes starting up, I now have audio and video on the tv's input. Any ideas? I am going to go back and reload firmware 1.7/6 (the last good version as I recall) and then work forward and see where I lose the tv audio. Thanks for any help. Steve EDIT: I should note that it will take a little time to see if this works because the unit works when only turned off for a short time, maybe an hour. If turned off longer that 2 hours I lose the audio. May have to do it overnight to really know. Hi Keith, Sorry for the bad description. With Video Remains On I get audio (tv audio out connected to sound bar) and video with the RMC off. When I turn the RMC on, I do not/not get audio from the RMC. If I change to another source, I get audio through the RMC. The only way I can hear the tv's audio through my speakers (not the sound bar) is to do a complete reboot (change Standby to Lowest Power) and power off and on. I then get tv audio through my 7.1.4 speaker set up with the RMC on. I do not use the CEC setting on any of my devices. I hope that makes a little more sense. Thanks much, Steve
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Post by steelman1991 on May 14, 2020 9:39:45 GMT -5
Lonnie - can you confirm whether "cross upmixing" has been introduced in this firmware upgrade. Hadn't tried them prior to this, so no way of knowing if it is working as expected or not. Tried a FF title (DTS-HD MA track) and switched on the fly to DSU. The OSD showed DSU and continued to play, creating a great sounding upmix, but not sure whether it was defaulting to Neural:X, but showing DSU on the OSD. Confused? ? you will be lol. Thanks - this is great upgrade - kudos to all.
Not yet. Its on the docket, just not implemented yet. That requires a deep rework of the DSP code. So the progression is this. Get 1.10 out which has the rewrite of of the OS and has the foundational code for Dirac. Then release Dirac and then the channel expansion modules which will have the DSP rework in it for applying Dolby or DTS to any stream. Everything in order or we are all up the creek. Lonnie Thanks Lonnie - I had no starting point to evaluate, having not used the upmixers previously. Whatever it's doing, it's doing it superbly well - though I feel that has as much to do with the PEQ to my set-up as much as the upgraded firmware. Either way cracking job.
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Post by geebo on May 14, 2020 9:42:37 GMT -5
Thanks you for your straightforward answer Lonnie. I'm hoping that either the 'extra cost' Dirac multiple subwoofer bass management system (software?) and/or Emotiva's upcoming extra channel module can address this more thoroughly, especially for those who have more than 3 subs. Right now the plan is to get Dirac out and then work on the bass version in a later release. Dirac bass is an option you will have to purchase from Dirac, we will make the processor compatible with all three versions. Lonnie Fantastic! Thanks.
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Post by megash0n on May 14, 2020 9:55:19 GMT -5
I'm following the thread you are on regarding the Dirac Live Bass Control. Did you guys rely on the new alignment tool in REW? I'm looking to play around with things again since PEQ now works and I moved one of my subs a bit after modelling for a better theoretical location. Now to decide whether to continue using MiniDSP or go straight to my amp from the RMC. The one on AVForums mate?
If we did, then it must have been included in the REW beta version I had downloaded as I don't remember downloading anything separately. Basically I sat in front of my laptop and watched the cursor magically move around Yes sir. I've been following that thread to see how Dirac Bass Control is working for other processors. And yes, the alignment tool is inside the beta or newest releases. Hoping to look at it today after making an additional XLR cable.
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Post by KeithL on May 14, 2020 10:06:03 GMT -5
OK... that makes more sense...
That may be something we still need to look into.... Just to clarify a bit further....
You say " If I change to another source, I get audio through the RMC."... so, if you change the RMC-1 to a different input, the audio works. So does that mean that audio from other sources works - but audio from the original source still won't work if you switch back to it until you reboot the RMC-1? If so, then that sounds like the original source is somehow "getting confused" and that it then stops sending audio to us.....
(And then, when you reboot the RMC-1, it renegotiates its output settings...)
And, if so, I wonder if the audio would come back if you reboot the source device rather than the RMC-1
(if so, then there might be some sort of "sleep" setting on it that would affect how this progresses....
I think I'm a little bit confused here. From your description it sounds like things are working exactly as they're supposed to.
When the RMC-1 is ON, the RMC-1 should be playing the audio, and you should NOT have audio being passed to the TV. When the RMC-1 is in High Power Standby we are essentially extracting the audio, decoding it, mixing it down into stereo, and then sending it to the TV.
And, when we're in Low Power Standby, we DON'T do that. However, when the RMC-1 is ON, the video that is passed to the TV should NOT include audio.
(This is normal for most if not all modern processors... when the processor is on, and playing audio, NO audio is sent to the TV. ) (We normally phrase that as: "the processor strips off the audio, processes it, and plays it"...) (If you WANT audio to be passed to the TV... that's what High Power Standby is for...)
Hi Keith, Sorry for the bad description. With Video Remains On I get audio (tv audio out connected to sound bar) and video with the RMC off. When I turn the RMC on, I do not/not get audio from the RMC. If I change to another source, I get audio through the RMC. The only way I can hear the tv's audio through my speakers (not the sound bar) is to do a complete reboot (change Standby to Lowest Power) and power off and on. I then get tv audio through my 7.1.4 speaker set up with the RMC on. I do not use the CEC setting on any of my devices. I hope that makes a little more sense. Thanks much, Steve
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Post by Lonnie on May 14, 2020 10:10:52 GMT -5
Not yet. Its on the docket, just not implemented yet. That requires a deep rework of the DSP code. So the progression is this. Get 1.10 out which has the rewrite of of the OS and has the foundational code for Dirac. Then release Dirac and then the channel expansion modules which will have the DSP rework in it for applying Dolby or DTS to any stream. Everything in order or we are all up the creek. Lonnie Thanks Lonnie - I had no starting point to evaluate, having not used the upmixers previously. Whatever it's doing, it's doing it superbly well - though I feel that has as much to do with the PEQ to my set-up as much as the upgraded firmware. Either way cracking job. Thanks very much. We will get the cross-mixer backed out, its jut not in this release. Have a great one. Lonnie
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Post by Lonnie on May 14, 2020 10:12:55 GMT -5
The one on AVForums mate? If we did, then it must have been included in the REW beta version I had downloaded as I don't remember downloading anything separately. Basically I sat in front of my laptop and watched the cursor magically move around Yes sir. I've been following that thread to see how Dirac Bass Control is working for other processors. And yes, the alignment tool is inside the beta or newest releases. Hoping to look at it today after making an additional XLR cable. According to Dirac, Mini-DSP is the only one who has been able to implement the Dirac Bass. If someone else has it up and running, I'd be interested to know. Thanks, Lonnie
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Post by andersmi on May 14, 2020 10:13:41 GMT -5
Anyone using the "IR IN" on the RMC-1, I have a Harmony Hub and if I connect a IR eye to the hub and place it in front of the RMC-1 everything works, but if I connect the hub to "IR In" nothing happens. I'm out of ideers what to try next.
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Post by geebo on May 14, 2020 10:19:38 GMT -5
Anyone using the "IR IN" on the RMC-1, I have a Harmony Hub and if I connect a IR eye to the hub and place it in front of the RMC-1 everything works, but if I connect the hub to "IR In" nothing happens. I'm out of ideers what to try next. I'm using it and it works fine. You have to go into setup and configure it though.
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Post by bblv on May 14, 2020 10:20:05 GMT -5
Anyone using the "IR IN" on the RMC-1, I have a Harmony Hub and if I connect a IR eye to the hub and place it in front of the RMC-1 everything works, but if I connect the hub to "IR In" nothing happens. I'm out of ideers what to try next. I use Control4 and utilize the rear “IR In” input to feed my RMC-1 commands. It has worked flawlessly for me.
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Post by Thunderduck on May 14, 2020 10:20:23 GMT -5
OK... that makes more sense...
That may be something we still need to look into.... Just to clarify a bit further....
You say " If I change to another source, I get audio through the RMC."... so, if you change the RMC-1 to a different input, the audio works. So does that mean that audio from other sources works - but audio from the original source still won't work if you switch back to it until you reboot the RMC-1? If so, then that sounds like the original source is somehow "getting confused" and that it then stops sending audio to us.....
(And then, when you reboot the RMC-1, it renegotiates its output settings...)
And, if so, I wonder if the audio would come back if you reboot the source device rather than the RMC-1
(if so, then there might be some sort of "sleep" setting on it that would affect how this progresses....
Hi Keith, Sorry for the bad description. With Video Remains On I get audio (tv audio out connected to sound bar) and video with the RMC off. When I turn the RMC on, I do not/not get audio from the RMC. If I change to another source, I get audio through the RMC. The only way I can hear the tv's audio through my speakers (not the sound bar) is to do a complete reboot (change Standby to Lowest Power) and power off and on. I then get tv audio through my 7.1.4 speaker set up with the RMC on. I do not use the CEC setting on any of my devices. I hope that makes a little more sense. Thanks much, Steve If I change to another input, I get audio and video as I should. For example, the ATV4K plays fine, but if I then go back to the TV's input (HDMI 1) I no longer get audio through the RMC. I know this was working as I expected up to version 1.7/6 which I have reloaded to make sure. I received betas 1.8 and the 1.9's but do not recall under which version the issue came up. As I recall, I think it was with the 1.9 beta but not sure. Next time the issue comes up I will try turning off the tv and then back on to see if this does anything. Will be taking a nap soon (retirement is hell) and will try turning on the RMC to see what happens. It may take me a while to figure out which version is or is not working. It seems to happen when the RMC has been in Standby mode for at least several hours. If it is a quick off and on, then it still works. Thanks much for the help. EDIT: Just checked and it appears the audio issue cropped up when I loaded version 1.9/8. Was working until then.
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Post by bblv on May 14, 2020 10:24:57 GMT -5
Loaded up v1.10 and the extra speed in the menus is really appreciated. That alone makes me feel much better about my decision of hanging onto the RMC-1. No issues in my several hours of demoing music and video so far. Going to get into the PEQ's and new measurements with REW tomorrow. Interested to hear your results. Are you anticipating any major changes, from what, I presume you've already achieved with REW, other than the obvious correction to bass EQ in the RMC-1. Though I'd imagine you've already done that through the miniDSP.
Just had a friend calibrate my set-up (REW and miniDSP) and it sings. Hard to imagine an improvement - though like most in this hobby, I will continue to chase every little improvement I can get My last attempt with REW and PEQ’s left the midbass on my dual 15” front towers nonexistent, so I know I was doing something wrong. I was previously using the front analog input and just picked up a long HDMI cable for my laptop, so I’m expecting REW to be easier to use at the least. I also suspect that I was doing my measurements incorrectly, as it was my first time using REW. Definitely huge room for improvement if I do my part.
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