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Post by PaulBe on May 14, 2020 13:32:25 GMT -5
Separate crossovers would be nice though... When a 24 dB per octive crossover is applied, at what frequency does the attenuation begin? For example, if set to 80 Hz, is 80 the start? - Rich No crossover drops from "1" (0 dB) to "0" (-infinite dB) right at the crossover frequency. The default answer is that it is the -3 dB point, so if your crossover is comprised of a 80 Hz LPF and 80 Hz HPF then the sum of output from the crossover (and hopefully the speakers) is 0 dB. The standard Linkwitz-Riley crossover topology provides flat response through the crossover region as desired. The general answer is rolloff starts a little "before" the corner frequency. HTH - Don p.s. Using some processing to create active crossovers for bi-amp would be a huge plus for those that want that feature... At a minimum, the Bi Amp selection at Wide should have the same control as any other selection at the Wide position, or any other channel. It's present function is just a DA output of the Front channels, when used in Bi Amp mode.
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Post by PaulBe on May 14, 2020 13:36:23 GMT -5
Sorry No. The only unit that can do 6 or more height channels and multiple subs will be the RMC-1 with expansion modules. Lonnie Just so I'm clear Lonnie, the RMC-1L will only do 4 height channels if I am running the left and right sub in dual mono? That what it looks like to me. There are enough channels in the RMC-1L to do 7.3.6, with bass management, with the right FW.
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Post by Thunderduck on May 14, 2020 13:51:28 GMT -5
OK... that makes more sense...
That may be something we still need to look into.... Just to clarify a bit further....
You say " If I change to another source, I get audio through the RMC."... so, if you change the RMC-1 to a different input, the audio works. So does that mean that audio from other sources works - but audio from the original source still won't work if you switch back to it until you reboot the RMC-1? If so, then that sounds like the original source is somehow "getting confused" and that it then stops sending audio to us.....
(And then, when you reboot the RMC-1, it renegotiates its output settings...)
And, if so, I wonder if the audio would come back if you reboot the source device rather than the RMC-1
(if so, then there might be some sort of "sleep" setting on it that would affect how this progresses....
Hi Keith, Sorry for the bad description. With Video Remains On I get audio (tv audio out connected to sound bar) and video with the RMC off. When I turn the RMC on, I do not/not get audio from the RMC. If I change to another source, I get audio through the RMC. The only way I can hear the tv's audio through my speakers (not the sound bar) is to do a complete reboot (change Standby to Lowest Power) and power off and on. I then get tv audio through my 7.1.4 speaker set up with the RMC on. I do not use the CEC setting on any of my devices. I hope that makes a little more sense. Thanks much, Steve Back and after 4 1/2 hours of the RMC not being on, it appears to be working with 1.7/6 firmware. (No, I did not take a 4 1/2 hour nap!) I just now installed 1.10 and this time I unplugged the RMC's power and removed all of the source devices for about 30 seconds. I then plugged power and sources devices back and using the rocker switch powered the RMC back on. After going through its reboot, the RMC came up on the correct input (Cable TV) and the audio is working through the RMC!! I will not know for sure if the issue has been resolved until the RMC has been put into Standby mode for several hours. So I will be going into Video Remains on mode now. If anyone has issues after updating, I strongly suggest that they do as Keith suggested and I should have in the beginning the following: 3) IF YOU ENCOUNTER ANY ODD BEHAVIOR AFTER PERFORMING THE UPDATE... WE SUGGEST THAT YOU RESET ALL OF THE HDMI DEVICES YOU HAVE CONNECTED TO YOUR PROCESSOR. TO DO THIS YOU MUST PHYSICALLY UNPLUG THE AC POWER ON YOUR PROCESSOR, YOUR TV OR PROJECTOR, AND ALL CONNECTED HDMI DEVICES. Everything must be unplugged AT THE SAME TIME for at least ten seconds. This will ensure that all of your devices go through a full reboot. (We DO NOT REQUIRE this but, if you have ANY problems, then you should do it.) Will let all know how it goes latter on tonight. Before I leave this issue, just want to say that the performance of the RMC with this firmware is outstanding! Bring on Dirac!! Regards, Steve
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Post by elwicksto on May 14, 2020 14:08:30 GMT -5
fyi - my upgrade from 1.9 to 1.10 went seamlessly & no issues observed with some very brief testing. nice work emo folks!
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Post by megash0n on May 14, 2020 14:08:38 GMT -5
I’ll just add that I’m doing the same as geebo, Harmony Hub to RMC-1 IR in (and XMC-1 before that), works well. I will say that just last night I had a problem, as I’d moved some cables on my RMC and apparently I hit or pulled the IR cable and it was slightly out of the socket. You might check not only that the plugs are well seated, but also (if this is the first time you’ve done it) that your cable and connectors are good — I built my own to go from the Harmony’s 2.5mm TS to the RMC/XMC 3.5mm TS. Checked the cables multiple times, but thanks for the suggestion. 👍I don't have the equipment or the skills to make my own cable 😊But I think I will look for a mini jack to micro jack cable in stereo or mono depending on what geebo comes back with. Monoprice or parts express are your friends. 😊
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Post by megash0n on May 14, 2020 14:09:40 GMT -5
The marketing and messaging around these products are not crisp. Dirac Bass Control feature set also seems to be wiggling a bit. Quite true...I've looked for info, and there's not a lot concrete that I've been able to find directly from Dirac. Pretty vague. Mark Did you read the PDF I linked a week or so ago from Dirac?
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Post by doc1963 on May 14, 2020 14:27:05 GMT -5
I’ll just add that I’m doing the same as geebo, Harmony Hub to RMC-1 IR in (and XMC-1 before that), works well. I will say that just last night I had a problem, as I’d moved some cables on my RMC and apparently I hit or pulled the IR cable and it was slightly out of the socket. You might check not only that the plugs are well seated, but also (if this is the first time you’ve done it) that your cable and connectors are good — I built my own to go from the Harmony’s 2.5mm TS to the RMC/XMC 3.5mm TS. Checked the cables multiple times, but thanks for the suggestion. 👍I don't have the equipment or the skills to make my own cable 😊But I think I will look for a mini jack to micro jack cable in stereo or mono depending on what geebo comes back with. HERE is a cable that I use and it works great. No need for finicky adapters that are prone to loosing contact...
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Post by klinemj on May 14, 2020 14:36:06 GMT -5
Quite true...I've looked for info, and there's not a lot concrete that I've been able to find directly from Dirac. Pretty vague. Mark Did you read the PDF I linked a week or so ago from Dirac? I don't think I saw that...was it a link directly to Dirac or a forum discussion about Dirac's bass module? I've not seen much detail at all from Dirac directly...just a lot of fluff. Almost reads like Sonos websites for the most part...flowery but not much detail. Mark
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Post by foggy1956 on May 14, 2020 14:49:50 GMT -5
Sorry No. The only unit that can do 6 or more height channels and multiple subs will be the RMC-1 with expansion modules. Lonnie Just so I'm clear Lonnie, the RMC-1L will only do 4 height channels if I am running the left and right sub in dual mono? That is correct
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Post by richb on May 14, 2020 14:58:25 GMT -5
Separate crossovers would be nice though... When a 24 dB per octive crossover is applied, at what frequency does the attenuation begin? For example, if set to 80 Hz, is 80 the start? - Rich No crossover drops from "1" (0 dB) to "0" (-infinite dB) right at the crossover frequency. The default answer is that it is the -3 dB point, so if your crossover is comprised of a 80 Hz LPF and 80 Hz HPF then the sum of output from the crossover (and hopefully the speakers) is 0 dB. The standard Linkwitz-Riley crossover topology provides flat response through the crossover region as desired. The general answer is rolloff starts a little "before" the corner frequency. HTH - Don p.s. Using some processing to create active crossovers for bi-amp would be a huge plus for those that want that feature... If bi-amp crossovers are implemented, don't we need to know when the attenuation actually starts to apply the proper HPF/LPF? - Rich
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Post by ttocs on May 14, 2020 15:07:32 GMT -5
FW-1.10: TiVo in Video Remains On
Fast forward >>> at highest speed occasionally causes lost sync. With FW-1.9 it was recoverable by changing inputs on the tv, or rebooting the tv, or switching XMC-2 inputs to any input regardless if there was active video on it or not. With FW-1.10 the only ways to recover: switch to an input with active video, or reboot the XMC-2.
That being said, video and sync in general are both more stable with this version.
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Post by timg on May 14, 2020 15:18:20 GMT -5
FW-1.10: TiVo in Video Remains On Fast forward >>> at highest speed occasionally causes lost sync. With FW-1.9 it was recoverable by changing inputs on the tv, or rebooting the tv, or switching XMC-2 inputs to any input regardless if there was active video on it or not. With FW-1.10 the only ways to recover: switch to an input with active video, or reboot the XMC-2. That being said, video and sync in general are both more stable with this version. My Tivo has been a problem with multiple devices for a while. Paired with pre-roll ads and their relentless Facebook advertising / simultaneous lack of customer focus, it's really got me thinking about switching to Channels.
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Post by ttocs on May 14, 2020 15:38:10 GMT -5
FW-1.10: TiVo in Video Remains On Fast forward >>> at highest speed occasionally causes lost sync. With FW-1.9 it was recoverable by changing inputs on the tv, or rebooting the tv, or switching XMC-2 inputs to any input regardless if there was active video on it or not. With FW-1.10 the only ways to recover: switch to an input with active video, or reboot the XMC-2. That being said, video and sync in general are both more stable with this version. My Tivo has been a problem with multiple devices for a while. Paired with pre-roll ads and their relentless Facebook advertising / simultaneous lack of customer focus, it's really got me thinking about switching to Channels. TiVo is one of the worst for customer support, and seeing that there are more problems with the 4K boxes it's frustrating. But, it works while the XMC-2 is On, and the features the EDGE has is why I keep it. I've got an Xfinity box that I never use because it's so limiting, so I put up with the known issues with TiVo. 6 Live Tuners, I mean, c'mon! I keep pointing out that I could always go back to a B&W 19" screen, 5 channels, messing with Fine Tuning, no recording . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . wait, no I can't!
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Post by megash0n on May 14, 2020 15:41:01 GMT -5
Did you read the PDF I linked a week or so ago from Dirac? I don't think I saw that...was it a link directly to Dirac or a forum discussion about Dirac's bass module? I've not seen much detail at all from Dirac directly...just a lot of fluff. Almost reads like Sonos websites for the most part...flowery but not much detail. Mark Mark, here is that post. I highlighted the link in Red just now for better visibility. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/1030769
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Post by doc1963 on May 14, 2020 15:44:31 GMT -5
FW-1.10: TiVo in Video Remains On Fast forward >>> at highest speed occasionally causes lost sync. With FW-1.9 it was recoverable by changing inputs on the tv, or rebooting the tv, or switching XMC-2 inputs to any input regardless if there was active video on it or not. With FW-1.10 the only ways to recover: switch to an input with active video, or reboot the XMC-2. That being said, video and sync in general are both more stable with this version. My Tivo has been a problem with multiple devices for a while. Paired with pre-roll ads and their relentless Facebook advertising / simultaneous lack of customer focus, it's really got me thinking about switching to Channels. While I don't have any sync issues with my Bolt in my current setup, as a long time TiVo user, I have to agree with you. They've went downhill over the last 12-18 months. I can't stand the pre-roll advertisements before watching a recording and I'm sick of their self-promotions polluting up the guide. After this year's contract is done, so am I. I'm using the Channels app (but not the DVR add-on) on both my ATV4K and Nvidia Shield. Paired with a Silicon Dust HDHomerun Quatro, it works great. My favorite, though, is "Live TV & DVR" through Plex. Picture quality using Plex through my Shield is indistinguishable compared to my TiVo Bolt. OTA and Sling TV is what I'll be rolling with next year...
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Post by dukesd on May 14, 2020 15:46:16 GMT -5
Very happy with 1.10. The audio sync is much faster when pausing on Atmos, before I would have to rewind or miss about 5 seconds of dialogue, now it's less than a second. Input changes and menu are much quicker, also, though I may have noticed it once in about 3 hours, the front panel doesn't flicker anymore. I'll have a better metric on this as time goes on.
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Post by ttocs on May 14, 2020 16:39:34 GMT -5
. . . . . . . though I may have noticed it once in about 3 hours, the front panel doesn't flicker anymore. I'll have a better metric on this as time goes on. Press the Info Button on the Remote. It seems that the way they've extended the on-screen time of the OSD is to program an additional button-press at which point there is a flicker, and another flicker when the OSD turns off. Doesn't bother me, it's just there.
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Post by donh50 on May 14, 2020 16:41:11 GMT -5
If bi-amp crossovers are implemented, don't we need to know when the attenuation actually starts to apply the proper HPF/LPF? - Rich You know that from the filter parameters such as topology (Linkwitz-Riley, Butterworth, Bessel, Chebyshev, etc.), order (roll-off), and target corner frequency. It is a transfer function so is always "proper" but no filter instantly changes from 0 dB to whatever dB per octave -- there is always a transition region. The idea is that, in a crossover, the high-pass and low-pass sections with the same corner frequency maintain the same acoustic output through the crossover region. Both sides roll off "together" so the output is constant. Sometimes the crossovers can get rather complicated but for most of us just a simple LR4 (Linkwitz-Riley, fourth-order, 24 dB/octave) will be good enough. For example, look at the diagram here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linkwitz%E2%80%93Riley_filterHTH - Don
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 14, 2020 16:44:34 GMT -5
Thanks. Now I understand. I didn't realize it created a parallel front set of outputs. Yep. No additional crossovers being applied, like you said its a parallel output to the fronts. Lonnie I’d really like to see this as a “Reference Bass” option for the subwoofers when in Reference Stereo. So have a checkbox — like Enhanced Bass, except available with Large or Small mains — that when checked, will mirror the L / R mains to the L / R subs when in Reference Stereo mode.
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Post by megash0n on May 14, 2020 16:58:45 GMT -5
I'll mirror what others are saying. I've sent this in email to the Emotiva team, but I feel the need to say it here as well. I know I can be overly critical at times about certain things, and have had my fair share of rants, but this new firmware is stellar. I applaud the effort the whole team contributed to rewriting and delivering a solid update with many fixes. Outstanding job Emotiva!
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