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Post by geeqner on Nov 27, 2018 12:14:36 GMT -5
Saw that the ERC-3 is on Close-Out. I had been thinking about getting one (good recommendation by my local Emotiva Dealer) Got me wondering: - Is Emotiva planning to replace the ERC-3 with a Revised / Improved model?
- Is Emotiva exiting the high-end CD Player Marketplace, and just sticking with the CD-100 for now?
Can't quite scratch-up the funds for the ERC-3 at the moment, but had one on my "list"
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Post by klinemj on Nov 27, 2018 12:25:03 GMT -5
Saw that the ERC-3 is on Close-Out. I had been thinking about getting one (good recommendation by my local Emotiva Dealer) Got me wondering: - Is Emotiva planning to replace the ERC-3 with a Revised / Improved model?
- Is Emotiva exiting the high-end CD Player Marketplace, and just sticking with the CD-100 for now?
Can't quite scratch-up the funds for the ERC-3 at the moment, but had one on my "list"
I don't have any direct knowledge, but...given they are updating the DC-1 with new chips - it would not surprise me if they come out with a high end CD player with an updated DAC in it. And, they are also planning a thin client streamer as an add-on module for the RMC-1 and have said they are considering using it elsewhere (like an option within a DC-2 or a stand alone unit). If so, having it be optional within an ERC-4 makes sense also. Mark |
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 27, 2018 15:07:12 GMT -5
It was in a Podcast I think, the Panasonic drive used in the ERC-3 has been discontinued and they had to find a new drive. They did some work on the rest of the ERC-3 circuitry at the same time, hence the ERC-4.
As someone who has an ERC-3 I can highly recommend it, with XLR balanced connections to the XSP-1 it sounds awesome.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by geeqner on Nov 28, 2018 10:21:57 GMT -5
As someone who has an ERC-3 I can highly recommend it, with XLR balanced connections to the XSP-1 it sounds awesome. Cheers Gary That's what my dealer said - he said that Emotiva did all of the major things right that would create a CD player that is a DRAMATIC "step-up" from the usual, single-board consumer-grade stuff: - Isolated / sub-shielded SECTIONS for Power Suply, Digital / Drive Section, Audio Section - Balanced Audio Output Section - High-Grade D/A circuitry - Drive section that is "Built like a small tank" without driving it into the stratospheric cost of some of the ridiculously high-priced units. (But I may have to wait for an ERC-4 or a gently-used C-3, due to other priorities - like an XSP-2 to connect it and my XPA-2 to...) |
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 28, 2018 16:32:10 GMT -5
Saw that the ERC-3 is on Close-Out. I had been thinking about getting one (good recommendation by my local Emotiva Dealer) Got me wondering: - Is Emotiva planning to replace the ERC-3 with a Revised / Improved model?
- Is Emotiva exiting the high-end CD Player Marketplace, and just sticking with the CD-100 for now?
Can't quite scratch-up the funds for the ERC-3 at the moment, but had one on my "list"
Lots of discussion about what people want here. emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/49911/thoughts-erc-4 |
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Post by geeqner on Nov 28, 2018 16:50:18 GMT -5
Thanks Bonzo!
I had not seen that thread, and maybe your idea about allowing it to be used as a DAC as well as a CD-Player might be a good idea for those who do not already have a high-quality one.
Once I get my CD collection converted to Digital Files on my home network - I suspect that my "need" for a CD player will go down, but I will probably STILL buy the occasional CD and give it a few spins before I decide to convert it to my File System(s) or not.
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 28, 2018 18:46:36 GMT -5
It was in a Podcast I think, the Panasonic drive used in the ERC-3 has been discontinued and they had to find a new drive. They did some work on the rest of the ERC-3 circuitry at the same time, hence the ERC-4. As someone who has an ERC-3 I can highly recommend it, with XLR balanced connections to the XSP-1 it sounds awesome. Cheers Gary Not to nit pick, but isn't it Toshiba DVD drive? Hence why it spins so fast and can make noise some people don't like? Just going from memory here. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 28, 2018 20:54:40 GMT -5
It was in a Podcast I think, the Panasonic drive used in the ERC-3 has been discontinued and they had to find a new drive. They did some work on the rest of the ERC-3 circuitry at the same time, hence the ERC-4. As someone who has an ERC-3 I can highly recommend it, with XLR balanced connections to the XSP-1 it sounds awesome. Not to nit pick, but isn't it Toshiba DVD drive? Hence why it spins so fast and can make noise some people don't like? Just going from memory here. Could be, the podcast was a while ago  Cheers Gary |
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Post by dragonV on Nov 28, 2018 21:14:00 GMT -5
As per other thread thoughts...As well as any sound and operational improvements, I'd really like it to have an OLED display to match the higher cost processors/future preamps etc.
Would be nice to see this standard on the higher end gear....a gen3 XSP-1 def deserves this freshen up for starters!! 👍
I also liked the centre mount slot loading disc drive of the erc-1/2, but just as many probably don't.
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Post by pallpoul on Nov 29, 2018 20:23:02 GMT -5
Any one can chime in on how different the sound is between the cd-100 and the erc-3 ? is the erc-3 close out price worth paying ?
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 29, 2018 23:45:26 GMT -5
Any one can chime in on how different the sound is between the cd-100 and the erc-3 ? is the erc-3 close out price worth paying ? If you have a pre amp capable of accepting the fully balance discrete input from the ERC-3 then absolutely, no doubt about it. If you don’t then it’s less compelling but still worthwhile. IMHO of course Cheers Gary |
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Post by pallpoul on Nov 29, 2018 23:48:16 GMT -5
Any one can chime in on how different the sound is between the cd-100 and the erc-3 ? is the erc-3 close out price worth paying ? If you have a pre amp capable of accepting the fully balance discrete input from the ERC-3 then absolutely, no doubt about it. If you don’t then it’s less compelling but still worthwhile. IMHO of course Cheers Gary using NAD M-12 as pre amp. is it worth the buy ? I do have the cd-100, and while it is ok, it is not spectacular. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 30, 2018 13:55:51 GMT -5
If you have a pre amp capable of accepting the fully balance discrete input from the ERC-3 then absolutely, no doubt about it. If you don’t then it’s less compelling but still worthwhile. IMHO of course using NAD M-12 as pre amp. is it worth the buy ? I do have the cd-100, and while it is ok, it is not spectacular. Are you using the DAC in the CD-100 or the M12? Cheers Gary |
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Post by pallpoul on Nov 30, 2018 13:56:25 GMT -5
I am using the nad dac
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Post by creimes on Nov 30, 2018 14:17:14 GMT -5
If you are just using the CD-100 as a transport I'm not sure if you would gain anything going to an ERC-3. Chad |
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 30, 2018 14:21:45 GMT -5
Then the CD-100 is simply a transport, it just spins the discs and as such has next to zero effect on the sound quality. In simple terms it's 99% the NAD DAC (and the pre amp that follows) that you are hearing. I'm sure you are aware but just in case, the M12 is a digital pre amp and it works in the digital domain until the very end where it outputs analogue for connection to the power amp/s. I haven't studied the circuitry but judging by the NAD spec I suspect that it wouldn't matter much what analogue signal is input the M12 is going to convert it back to digital (via an ADC), do its stuff and then at the last stage convert it (via its DAC) back to analogue. So if you used the ERC-3 balanced analogue output, then the NAD ADC, then the NAD DAC that would be 3 conversions, which is something I wouldn't recommend. The less conversions the better for retaining the original sound. Regardless you wouldn't be hearing the ERC-3 DAC anyway, you would still be hearing the NAD DAC (plus the NAD ADC). In summary, pretty much any disc spinner will do, and the CD-100 is a pretty good disc spinner. The ERC-3 has better circuitry (inc DAC) but you aren't going to be hearing that, so not something I'd recommend. Cheers Gary |
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Post by pallpoul on Nov 30, 2018 14:36:31 GMT -5
Then the CD-100 is simply a transport, it just spins the discs and as such has next to zero effect on the sound quality. In simple terms it's 99% the NAD DAC (and the pre amp that follows) that you are hearing. I'm sure you are aware but just in case, the M12 is a digital pre amp and it works in the digital domain until the very end where it outputs analogue for connection to the power amp/s. I haven't studied the circuitry but judging by the NAD spec I suspect that it wouldn't matter much what analogue signal is input the M12 is going to convert it back to digital (via an ADC), do its stuff and then at the last stage convert it (via its DAC) back to analogue. So if you used the ERC-3 balanced analogue output, then the NAD ADC, then the NAD DAC that would be 3 conversions, which is something I wouldn't recommend. The less conversions the better for retaining the original sound. Regardless you wouldn't be hearing the ERC-3 DAC anyway, you would still be hearing the NAD DAC (plus the NAD ADC). In summary, pretty much any disc spinner will do, and the CD-100 is a pretty good disc spinner. The ERC-3 has better circuitry (inc DAC) but you aren't going to be hearing that, so not something I'd recommend. Cheers Gary Tysm |
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Post by cyyyr05 on May 4, 2019 15:00:27 GMT -5
I wanted to buy an ERC3 this month, no more available in French stores and it is removed from the catalog "Emotiva France" for 2 days!
Let's hope that is a sign of the arrival of the future ERC4 before the summer!
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Post by amped on May 4, 2019 15:55:04 GMT -5
Thanks Bonzo! I had not seen that thread, and maybe your idea about allowing it to be used as a DAC as well as a CD-Player might be a good idea for those who do not already have a high-quality one. Once I get my CD collection converted to Digital Files on my home network - I suspect that my "need" for a CD player will go down, but I will probably STILL buy the occasional CD and give it a few spins before I decide to convert it to my File System(s) or not. Save your $ on a CD right now and put it toward your pre...You may not even want to upgrade the CD after you listen to a quality pre.. But if you still have the itch for a quality CD, AGAIN I recommend you look at a high quality deck from Mac, Krell, Classe, Ayre et al and update the DACs in the future. I had all 3 EMO CDs and all had failures in them (the 2 was really bad) but failures aside the sound compared to a higher range deck can be absolutely breathtaking! |
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Post by tchaik on May 4, 2019 16:08:18 GMT -5
I wanted to buy an ERC3 this month, no more available in French stores and it is removed from the catalog "Emotiva France" for 2 days! Let's hope that is a sign of the arrival of the future ERC4 before the summer! yes, there is coming the ERC-4 with a center drawer and a digital input to use the CD player as a DAC. there are 2 digital inputs. here is a pic of the glossy brochure ireleased at AXPONA.  |
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