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Post by Boomzilla on Feb 21, 2019 17:12:19 GMT -5
Two options for the OP -
1. The Emotiva subs are KILLER for their price. Really. (REALLY!!!!). I don't think you can do better in a new sub for that amount. However, if you're willing to consider used...
2. I've got two 15" PowerSound Audio current models (S1510DF) that I'm trying to sell (with original boxes). They're "more" in terms of control, output, extension, and (unfortunately) price. But if interested, PM me & we can talk.
Cordially - Boomzilla
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Post by geeqner on Feb 21, 2019 17:40:47 GMT -5
Two options for the OP - 1. The Emotiva subs are KILLER for their price. Really. ( REALLY!!!!). I don't think you can do better in a new sub for that amount. However, if you're willing to consider used... 2. I've got two 15" PowerSound Audio current models (S1510DF) that I'm trying to sell (with original boxes). They're "more" in terms of control, output, extension, and (unfortunately) price. But if interested, PM me & we can talk. Cordially - Boomzilla Looked at the PowerSound website and ran-across the specs on their S7201 - Not THAT is definitely "the BIG dawg" (Wholly Fracking Apcrae!) Probably needs a dedicated 3-Phase circuit to feed it / handle the transient Power loads.... |
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Post by bmoney187 on Feb 21, 2019 18:05:26 GMT -5
Too bad you don’t want to do diy. You could get 2 18”’s WITH Amp for about 1100$. So half your budget. And it would blow any of the above options out of the water.
But with that said PSA is my vote for non diy. Best CS in the Industry.
Svs used to be the leader in Id companies. But have gone all china and gone away from bang for your buck and went commercialized big box store ish. Good quality but for same money can get way better performance.
Hsu
PSA
Jtr
Rhythmic
Can’t go wrong with any of them. Just weigh your options.
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Post by cjcody on Feb 21, 2019 19:33:25 GMT -5
Guys, I am looking to replace my dual SVS PC12 Plus subs with something in a more conventional sub design (ie square box). My biggest reason for changing is that the PC-12s sit a little too tall and they block the screen to my projector a tad. This is in my theater room which is 12'W X 17'L, so not a huge room. I am debating going with dual 15" subs (Specifically the Monoprice Monolith 15", or maybe the S15 from Emotiva). I have never ran a sealed sub so I do not know what to expect from it versus the ported subs I have ran in the past. It is used maybe 70% movies, 30% two channel music. My current 12" subs preform well for my room, so I could just go back with 12" ones, but my thought is if I am changing any way might as go with bigger units unless there is some down side to them that I am not seeing. What are your general thoughts towards this. Budget wise I don't want to go too crazy, I don't mind being around $2300ish for a pair, as I think I can get around $1000 or so for my current subs. I have the HSU VTF-15 MK2. I paid $859 plus shipping. www.hsuresearch.com/ It is a true sub and it sounds awesome. |
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Post by Bonzo on Feb 21, 2019 19:48:39 GMT -5
I don't know diddly squat about subs but I do remember something that HSU did (does?) differently than many other sub companies, and that's to use Class A/B amplification. When I say remember, it was from an article published several years ago in either Sound & Vision or Home Theater. They actually interviewed like 5 or 6 guys from different companies on what they felt were important things to consider with subs. The A/B amplification was something Dr. Hsu felt strongly about. I have no clue whether it really matters or not, but I just thought I'd point it out for something to know while you are looking around.
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Post by Bonzo on Feb 21, 2019 19:58:26 GMT -5
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Post by ribbonking on Feb 21, 2019 20:03:23 GMT -5
Hey David, if you do look at SVS again, feel free to reach out to me. My buddy is an authorized dealer and he can save you some money. He deals in about a dozen different brands, SVS among them. He has a ton of satisfied customers and a great reputation. Nothing in it for me at all, just trying to hook you up to save some money. Tim I am struggling with SVS to some extent as their prices seem to be rising relative to their competition. They started as a great value subwoofer, now I would almost argue that they are overpriced retaliative to the competition out there. If you look at their PB-4000 sub @$1899 (1200RMS 14" sub) and compare it to the Monoprice Monolith (1000RMS 15")@$1299 it is very hard to think of why go with the SVS. And that is not even looking at the HSU, Rythmik, etc of the world. Maybe the SVS has some value with their advance DSP, but it just seems like a big price jump compared to their competition. SVS started selling through retailers so they had to raise prices to support the dealer profit margin. Sounds familiar, eh? |
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Post by geebo on Feb 22, 2019 7:46:17 GMT -5
Another vote for HSU. I have two ULS-15 MK2s and I'm very pleased with them. A real bargain.
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Post by wilburthegoose on Feb 22, 2019 10:11:13 GMT -5
My trick - Get a decent handtruck - they can be rented.
Place an old sheet or two over the subwoofer
I then used bungee cords (appliance straps work better, of course) to affix the subwoofer to the handcart.
Get to the bottom and start attacking one step at a time by pulling the handtruck up. Take a break if you need.
Be really careful with knobs or other extrusions - ensure they don't come into contact with your walls/stairwell sides.
I put mine where it is when I was 56. Be patient, and you'll be fine. If you need it, take a break!
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Post by DLAW on Feb 22, 2019 14:47:20 GMT -5
Guys, I am looking to replace my dual SVS PC12 Plus subs with something in a more conventional sub design (ie square box). My biggest reason for changing is that the PC-12s sit a little too tall and they block the screen to my projector a tad. This is in my theater room which is 12'W X 17'L, so not a huge room. I am debating going with dual 15" subs (Specifically the Monoprice Monolith 15", or maybe the S15 from Emotiva). I have never ran a sealed sub so I do not know what to expect from it versus the ported subs I have ran in the past. It is used maybe 70% movies, 30% two channel music. My current 12" subs preform well for my room, so I could just go back with 12" ones, but my thought is if I am changing any way might as go with bigger units unless there is some down side to them that I am not seeing. What are your general thoughts towards this. Budget wise I don't want to go too crazy, I don't mind being around $2300ish for a pair, as I think I can get around $1000 or so for my current subs. I did a quick search on those Mirage towers you have and S&V stated they had a useable low frequency limit of 18hz (-10db). I would say to move up to the 15 inch driver since the towers have larger midrange speakers (8 inch). I have the HSU VTF-3MK5 which is very similar to the HSU VTF-15HMK2 as it has the same 15 inch driver but a slightly smaller cabinet, little less weight and little less output in certain frequencies but you save $354 for a pair ...VTF-3MK5 ($1741 shipped) vs VTF-15HMk2 ($2095 shipped). I actually just got a set of SVS PC-2000's (on the cheap) and I felt the one Hsu VTF-3MK5 had a fuller sound vs the 2 SVS's but that could just be the 12inch vs 15 inch driver as well. |
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Post by davidl81 on Feb 22, 2019 16:10:28 GMT -5
Guys, I am looking to replace my dual SVS PC12 Plus subs with something in a more conventional sub design (ie square box). My biggest reason for changing is that the PC-12s sit a little too tall and they block the screen to my projector a tad. This is in my theater room which is 12'W X 17'L, so not a huge room. I am debating going with dual 15" subs (Specifically the Monoprice Monolith 15", or maybe the S15 from Emotiva). I have never ran a sealed sub so I do not know what to expect from it versus the ported subs I have ran in the past. It is used maybe 70% movies, 30% two channel music. My current 12" subs preform well for my room, so I could just go back with 12" ones, but my thought is if I am changing any way might as go with bigger units unless there is some down side to them that I am not seeing. What are your general thoughts towards this. Budget wise I don't want to go too crazy, I don't mind being around $2300ish for a pair, as I think I can get around $1000 or so for my current subs. I did a quick search on those Mirage towers you have and S&V stated they had a useable low frequency limit of 18hz (-10db). I would say to move up to the 15 inch driver since the towers have larger midrange speakers (8 inch). I have the HSU VTF-3MK5 which is very similar to the HSU VTF-15HMK2 as it has the same 15 inch driver but a slightly smaller cabinet, little less weight and little less output in certain frequencies but you save $354 for a pair ...VTF-3MK5 ($1741 shipped) vs VTF-15HMk2 ($2095 shipped). I actually just got a set of SVS PC-2000's (on the cheap) and I felt the one Hsu VTF-3MK5 had a fuller sound vs the 2 SVS's but that could just be the 12inch vs 15 inch driver as well. I am very much leaning towards the 15" subs. Boom has made me a very fair offer on a pair of sealed box 15" subs. I just need to decide if I want sealed or ported subs. I live in Houston, so driving to him to pick up the subs is doable, but I do have to convince the wife that I am leaving her alone with the kids on a weekend to go pick up speakers. That is actually a harder sell to her than me buying more speakers, lol. If I were to buy ported I think I will go with the Monoprice 15" Monoliths. Open box they are $1099 each, so $2200 total. They are very big speakers and I need to measure if the depth of the speakers will end up being an issue for me. The PA's that Boom has for sale will fit much better. My only concern on the sealed subs is I am going to miss out on the 25Hz-40Hz output versus a ported sub. My gut tells me since I would be going from 12" ported SVS to 15" sealed PA subs they will most likely perform equal to one another. |
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Post by novisnick on Feb 22, 2019 16:25:41 GMT -5
Yep, Tons of fun getting that baby downstairs. Quite an adventure! What ever I buy gets to go upstairs, so that is going to be fun. I too have a pair of subs that I rolled up the stairs! 110 lbs a piece I think. I call it theft prevention! LOL DEFINITLY go with sealed subs. No, they may not go as deep but sealed will be more articulate and will produce realistic sound for movies and music. They are usually much faster too! |
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Post by davidl81 on Feb 26, 2019 10:01:24 GMT -5
So I just bought a pair of PSA S1510DF subs from Boom. I am pretty excited to try them out and honestly my hope is just for performance that is equal to my current dual SVS PC-12 Plus subs. The smaller footprint on these subs will help in my room over a larger ported sub. Worst case is I don't like these new subs for some reason, and I just end up buying the Monoliths and selling the PSA subs for a slight loss. Not the end of the world. I'll put up the SVS subs in the emporium later on once I get some pictures. Any one have a good idea for an asking price, they are both about 3 years old +/-?
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Post by bmoney187 on Feb 26, 2019 11:02:46 GMT -5
with your size room you will not be lacking in any part of the Frequency range...AND you will get the benefit of room gain the sealed excels in...so you willll be floored imho
looking forward to your findings...just make sure they are setup correctly....and bonus if you have a minidsp..you can add a house curve and really get that single digit bass which is the game changer!
congrats and good luck
PS Tom V always said all things being equal he prefers sealed over ported
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Post by MusicHead on Feb 26, 2019 11:04:15 GMT -5
You are most likely correct thinking that the 15" sealed will make up the difference with the ported 12". Just for reference (although not the same brands you are dealing with), see the table Rythmik have on this page for their subs: www.rythmikaudio.com/The difference at 20Hz between their highest output 12" ported sub (the LVX12) and their highest output 15" sealed (the F15HP) is 1.5dB IN FAVOR of the 15". In their case (and I would expect the same or better with SVS 12" ported vs PA 15" sealed) larger cone sealed beats smaller cone ported. Size does indeed matter  . As you can see in my signature, I have a 12" sealed L12 and very happy with it. I am more interested in balanced performance with music, but even for HT I am not left wanting for my tastes, considering also the relatively small room (17x13x8). Most of all though, enjoy your new purchase! |
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Post by leonski on Feb 27, 2019 0:58:00 GMT -5
I'll 2nd Hsu Research. Dr. Hsu is a real genius with subs.
Since you are having a decision moment between sealed and ported, why not get BOTH in one sub?
My Opinion? 3 or 4 of the VTF-2mk5 will blow your mind. And are switchable for Q / sealed-ported.
My Mk3 version? Easily goes below 20hz and will rattle my entire house. It's in a 2500 cubic foot or
greater room....
When I bought my sub, I was briefly temped to buy a pair of lesser subs.
No need to go all the way to the VTF-15 series.
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Post by davidl81 on Feb 27, 2019 20:59:09 GMT -5
Here is a picture with the new subs installed. So far the results are unfortunately fairly poor. I feel as though I am missing a ton on the mid bass, and I am not sure what is wrong. I ran Audyssey when I installed them, and I’m thinking I’ll rerun it to see if I can get better results. I bumped the gain up a good bit on the subs, but I still feel as though they are lacking. I don’t think it’s the subs per say, but maybe just a combo of these subs not being a great fit for my room. Physically they fit great in the spot I have, and I don’t really know if I can fit the ported 15” subs.  |
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Post by leonski on Feb 27, 2019 21:04:53 GMT -5
Don't rely on Audyssey. Fundamental setup FIRST...and of course, a good Sub-Crawl is indicated. Turning up the bass 3db is asking for double the amp power AT THAT FREQUENCY. And if you are in the mood for some Reading? www.harman.com/sites/default/files/multsubs_0.pdfThe link is to one of the absolute Short List papers on subs and setup...... Midbass lacking tells me you are sitting in a node. Symmetric setup is probably the cause. Break up the setup, break up the modes and response should 'even out'. Best of luck... |
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Post by emofrmcgy on Feb 27, 2019 21:23:52 GMT -5
Here is a picture with the new subs installed. So far the results are unfortunately fairly poor. I feel as though I am missing a ton on the mid bass, and I am not sure what is wrong. I ran Audyssey when I installed them, and I’m thinking I’ll rerun it to see if I can get better results. I bumped the gain up a good bit on the subs, but I still feel as though they are lacking. I don’t think it’s the subs per say, but maybe just a combo of these subs not being a great fit for my room. Physically they fit great in the spot I have, and I don’t really know if I can fit the ported 15” subs. View AttachmentNothing worse than hooking up your new toys, flipping the switch and that sinking disappointment comes over you. Do you have the ability to measure response ? Have you tried one at a time ? I assume they’re in the same spot as the old ones, is spl comparable ? I know when I upgraded my subs a few years back I went from some Polk 12’s to an 18”. It was very underwhelming to start with, I wasn’t used to the very low distortion bass, it seemed quieter to my ear but via spl meter it was actually louder. Just a thought. Never mind that last bit. Just saw you had some svs pc12’s. Distortion should be low with either. If you know how to use rew it has a function where you can run simulation of your room. It’s the next best thing to the sub crawl. It can tell you where you’ll get room nodes and nulls and at what frequency they’ll be. It’s highly accurate. |
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Post by novisnick on Feb 27, 2019 21:34:48 GMT -5
Here is a picture with the new subs installed. So far the results are unfortunately fairly poor. I feel as though I am missing a ton on the mid bass, and I am not sure what is wrong. I ran Audyssey when I installed them, and I’m thinking I’ll rerun it to see if I can get better results. I bumped the gain up a good bit on the subs, but I still feel as though they are lacking. I don’t think it’s the subs per say, but maybe just a combo of these subs not being a great fit for my room. Physically they fit great in the spot I have, and I don’t really know if I can fit the ported 15” subs. I’ve said this before and I believe it may help you. ”Placement of subwoofers is critical due to the extremely long wave length of the lower frequencies. Their length makes it very easy to be sitting in a null where you won’t experience or hear the sound or feel the percussion.” As suggested by another forum member, sub craw is your friend. PSA makes stellar subs, placement is most likely the problem. Good luck and please keep us posted. |
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