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Post by 405x5 on Jan 6, 2024 16:18:13 GMT -5
I did have one other course of action in mind for the vinyl that I could dispose of in a way that would not only help myself, but help an unsuspecting driver from taking damage on their car, if the vinyl were to be properly recycled…… long playing, pothole, filler, maybe?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 17:56:50 GMT -5
I did have one other course of action in mind for the vinyl that I could dispose of in a way that would not only help myself, but help an unsuspecting driver from taking damage on their car, if the vinyl were to be properly recycled…… long playing, pothole, filler, maybe? View Attachment"I don’t hate records… No, not at all that’s how we all started and one thing leads to another." Aren't you worried about hearing cracks and pops every time you drive over that patch? Even worse, your tires could skate off track and you could end up in a endless infinity loop driving in the same place |
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Post by marcl on Jan 6, 2024 18:19:50 GMT -5
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Post by 405x5 on Jan 6, 2024 19:18:14 GMT -5
This thread is spellbinding! I’d call it something else…… But this is a family show 🤪😂🥹🤪  |
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Post by PaulBe on Jan 6, 2024 22:28:39 GMT -5
This thread is spellbinding! Have you considered another trip? This time, someplace warm? |
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Post by PaulBe on Jan 6, 2024 22:33:35 GMT -5
I did have one other course of action in mind for the vinyl that I could dispose of in a way that would not only help myself, but help an unsuspecting driver from taking damage on their car, if the vinyl were to be properly recycled…… long playing, pothole, filler, maybe? View Attachment"I don’t hate records… No, not at all that’s how we all started and one thing leads to another." Aren't you worried about hearing cracks and pops every time you drive over that patch? Even worse, your tires could skate off track and you could end up in a endless infinity loop driving in the same place Common' man. Yer jus needling us. But, do it with styl-us. Kathump...kathump...kathump....... |
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Post by PaulBe on Jan 6, 2024 22:52:12 GMT -5
I took the Audioquest sorbothane mat off my Rega turntable platter today. Tried other mats I have - The Marcof glass mat; The D-Stat II mat; The original Rega felt mat.
I decided to use the original Rega felt mat. It 'felt' good...
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Post by 405x5 on Jan 7, 2024 7:29:51 GMT -5
So suddenly, this revived thread had me thinking about the timeline.
How long did I indulge myself seriously in records and when did I transition and walk away and how long has it been? A rather amazing thought I have to say.
So with the records, approximately 15 years, then The transition and evolution with the digital…… 40 years rather incredible. Even more incredible was thinking about the whole thing and realizing how absolutely incomparable the two methods are fading into memory is a very, very welcome experience.
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Post by KeithL on Jan 10, 2024 12:04:03 GMT -5
I think it's time for another editorial comment.  My thoughts revolve around the idea that we need to be careful to avoid confusing "style", "technology", and "the historical time line". For example, when it comes to vinyl vs digital audio... Vinyl absolutely has higher distortion and less available dynamic range than digital audio... But both are also quite good enough to sound really good when done properly... And, while some people insist that "vinyl sounded better than modern stuff like CDs", the reality is that there were a lot of really awful sounding vinyl albums. However, being forgettable, they were forgotten... and are probably currently moldering in a landfill somewhere. (And, eventually, the poor quality digital albums out there will join them in some sort of virtual landfill... and all we'll remember are the good ones.) And, while a lot of people like to talk about "the loudness wars" the idea of "having your song play just a bit louder than someone else's" dates back to at least the early days of radio. The only real reason why those old broadcasts weren't even more heavily compressed than modern broadcasts is that we lacked the technology to do so. There is nothing technically wrong with modern music recordings... They sound exactly the way the folks who produce them WANT them to sound... And now we have much better technology that can do a much better job of delivering exactly the sound you ask it to. The so-called "loudness wars" are simply a "war over artistic preference"... Or, if you like, business vs art: The business director at the radio station wants his or her radio station to be a bit louder than the next one over when you tune past it. And the producer of each individual track wants their track to be a little bit clearer, and sound a little bit better, than everything else on the playlist. And, of course, the individual artist may actually have chosen that sound as well... And those "loudness war victims" really do tend to sound better on car radios and cheap ear buds. You also need to understand that, at the mix level, content is mixed to work differently for vinyl and digital audio. Digital audio can deliver the full range of audio frequencies at any level you ask it to. However vinyl does have limitations... For one thing you cannot record very high frequencies at very high levels onto vinyl. For example delivering loud cymbal crashes can be a problem for vinyl. If you do you risk overloading the head on the cutting lathe or producing an album that most cartridges cannot track. Likewise, if you're recording very powerful low bass onto vinyl, it generally has to be mixed down to mono (put in the center). (Powerful low bass requires wider track spacing on vinyl... and very large stylus movements... but that requirement is minimized if the audio is monaural.) The exact details aren't especially important... but the upshot is... If you want to issue an album on vinyl and digital media... Either you create two slightly different mixes for digital and vinyl... each specifically optimized for that medium... which will sound slightly different... Or you hand your digital mix to the vinyl pressing house... and accept that they will remix it a bit to fit the constraints of vinyl... (And you trust them to do it properly, and optimize the mix for pressing onto vinyl, while only altering it as little as possible.) Or you take extra care to ensure that your mix will work well for both (by limiting it to what vinyl can handle). |
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Post by PaulBe on Jan 10, 2024 13:03:59 GMT -5
I think it's time for another editorial comment. ... For example, when it comes to vinyl vs digital audio...... Just play the music...  If the music sucks, it doesn't matter which format the recording was made with. Recordings in legacy formats will be enjoyed as long as they exist. Legacy recordings in analog will be archived in digital for the future. The future is entirely digital in some form. People will make good and bad recordings as long as recordings are made, and in whatever format is used. |
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Post by 405x5 on Jan 10, 2024 15:42:38 GMT -5
For everything that gets talked about within this topic, there is one thing for myself on a personal level that reigns supreme as the highest priority, and that is, the ability for my butt to be planted in the seat for as long as possible….. that kills the “long playing record album“ and put it out to pasture forever and ever amen. That by far also overrides any concerns about surface noise, and so forth
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 15:47:34 GMT -5
I think it's time for another editorial comment. My thoughts revolve around the idea that we need to be careful to avoid confusing "style", "technology", and "the historical time line". For example, when it comes to vinyl vs digital audio... Vinyl absolutely has higher distortion and less available dynamic range than digital audio... But both are also quite good enough to sound really good when done properly... And, while some people insist that "vinyl sounded better than modern stuff like CDs", the reality is that there were a lot of really awful sounding vinyl albums. However, being forgettable, they were forgotten... and are probably currently moldering in a landfill somewhere. (And, eventually, the poor quality digital albums out there will join them in some sort of virtual landfill... and all we'll remember are the good ones.) And, while a lot of people like to talk about "the loudness wars" the idea of "having your song play just a bit louder than someone else's" dates back to at least the early days of radio. The only real reason why those old broadcasts weren't even more heavily compressed than modern broadcasts is that we lacked the technology to do so. There is nothing technically wrong with modern music recordings... They sound exactly the way the folks who produce them WANT them to sound... And now we have much better technology that can do a much better job of delivering exactly the sound you ask it to. The so-called "loudness wars" are simply a "war over artistic preference"... Or, if you like, business vs art: The business director at the radio station wants his or her radio station to be a bit louder than the next one over when you tune past it. And the producer of each individual track wants their track to be a little bit clearer, and sound a little bit better, than everything else on the playlist. And, of course, the individual artist may actually have chosen that sound as well... And those "loudness war victims" really do tend to sound better on car radios and cheap ear buds. You also need to understand that, at the mix level, content is mixed to work differently for vinyl and digital audio. Digital audio can deliver the full range of audio frequencies at any level you ask it to. However vinyl does have limitations... For one thing you cannot record very high frequencies at very high levels onto vinyl. For example delivering loud cymbal crashes can be a problem for vinyl. If you do you risk overloading the head on the cutting lathe or producing an album that most cartridges cannot track. Likewise, if you're recording very powerful low bass onto vinyl, it generally has to be mixed down to mono (put in the center). (Powerful low bass requires wider track spacing on vinyl... and very large stylus movements... but that requirement is minimized if the audio is monaural.) The exact details aren't especially important... but the upshot is... If you want to issue an album on vinyl and digital media... Either you create two slightly different mixes for digital and vinyl... each specifically optimized for that medium... which will sound slightly different... Or you hand your digital mix to the vinyl pressing house... and accept that they will remix it a bit to fit the constraints of vinyl... (And you trust them to do it properly, and optimize the mix for pressing onto vinyl, while only altering it as little as possible.) Or you take extra care to ensure that your mix will work well for both (by limiting it to what vinyl can handle). It would be fine if they raised the volume to take advantage of digital, but it's when they compress the audio and kill the dynamic range is when it is an issue. The more dynamic compression, the less of the original recording exists. Not true? |
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Post by swedishcaveman on Jan 12, 2024 7:53:31 GMT -5
Before I start reading this thread, I did not got distracted by static, ticks and pops. Now I hear it on almost every vinyl record, but when the music starts, it is inaudible. On rock, metal and pop music it does not matter, but I guess it does on other genre´s with more quieter sections. How analog are a vinyl reproduction of a modern digital recording? I have Pink floyd The Wall on vinyl, pressed from a digital master made from a analog master. The analog signal are converted in my XMC-2 to digital, to take advantage of Dirac and then back again to analog on its way to my ears. I have listen to The Wall from Qubuz 24/96, via USB into XMC-2. Both audio sources are converted to analog via the same internal DAC´s after Dirac processing.
No big difference in sound. Digital have no noise and somewhat deeper bass. Not easy to A-B different media, so many things comes to play between source and my ears. But as long as I can enjoy the music it does not matter were it comes from. Happy hunting for the perfect sound.
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Post by phreak1118 on Jan 14, 2024 4:41:34 GMT -5
Not to brag... but I found Elton Johns greatest hits, Cat Stevens greatest hits, The Animals greatest hits, and Sargent Peppers all on vinyl this week at a thrift shop. $2 each.
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Post by 405x5 on Jan 15, 2024 9:34:35 GMT -5
Not to brag... but I found Elton Johns greatest hits, Cat Stevens greatest hits, The Animals greatest hits, and Sargent Peppers all on vinyl this week at a thrift shop. $2 each. You overpaid |
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Post by adaboy on Jan 30, 2024 16:20:24 GMT -5
Not to brag... but I found Elton Johns greatest hits, Cat Stevens greatest hits, The Animals greatest hits, and Sargent Peppers all on vinyl this week at a thrift shop. $2 each. You overpaid That was cold blooded! |
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Post by novisnick on Jan 30, 2024 18:05:18 GMT -5
Not to brag... but I found Elton Johns greatest hits, Cat Stevens greatest hits, The Animals greatest hits, and Sargent Peppers all on vinyl this week at a thrift shop. $2 each. Great deal! Enjoy! |
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Post by 405x5 on Jan 30, 2024 21:01:02 GMT -5
That was cold blooded! I can’t speak to the other two artists, but if you want to do something better for Cat Stevens than chasing the old records you can get the 1976 Cat Stevens Majikat DVD that captures Cat Stevens at his very best on video and performance of his original stuff. I rented this on Netflix a while back and then was able to get a copy Fantastic performance and sound the whole package for Cat Stevens |
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Post by leonski on Feb 5, 2024 14:24:17 GMT -5
It can be scientifically proven that even the first 16/44.1 CDs ever struck are technically superior to the best vinyl system available (even today). And, of course, "the measurers" mistake (as they consistently do) the difference between measurements and sound. In the 1980s, Sony's digital "perfect sound forever" was a bald-faced lie. But now, the best of digital really IS superior in sound quality to vinyl. Really. If you disagree, then you haven't heard a really good digital system. And not only is digital superior, but the cost of a good digital system is but a fraction of the cost of an equivalently good-sounding analog system. But not to taunt the vinyl enthusiasts too much - a cheap vinyl system does still sound better than a cheap digital one. Nevertheless, vinyl is in its final death throes. In another decade, you won't be able to buy a new vinyl record (or a new turntable to play it on). In the meantime, really good digital continues to be less and less expensive. Sic transit gloria mundi. Boom I know this is 2 years gone.... But I had to comment. Sony CD players from the first gen were a single DAC which 'time shared' between left and right channels. And were audibly inferior to most other players at that time. My Magnevox, a Philips CD-1 or whatever, a toploader with 14bit (not a 16bit) DAC and 4x oversampling I suspect would still sound pretty good today. Stereophile loved the FD-1000 Magnevox. A real 'brick' the only problem is that I need a laser / pickup and that is unobtanium |
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Post by 405x5 on Feb 6, 2024 1:33:20 GMT -5
It can be scientifically proven that even the first 16/44.1 CDs ever struck are technically superior to the best vinyl system available (even today). And, of course, "the measurers" mistake (as they consistently do) the difference between measurements and sound. In the 1980s, Sony's digital "perfect sound forever" was a bald-faced lie. But now, the best of digital really IS superior in sound quality to vinyl. Really. If you disagree, then you haven't heard a really good digital system. And not only is digital superior, but the cost of a good digital system is but a fraction of the cost of an equivalently good-sounding analog system. But not to taunt the vinyl enthusiasts too much - a cheap vinyl system does still sound better than a cheap digital one. Nevertheless, vinyl is in its final death throes. In another decade, you won't be able to buy a new vinyl record (or a new turntable to play it on). In the meantime, really good digital continues to be less and less expensive. Sic transit gloria mundi. Boom I know this is 2 years gone.... But I had to comment. Sony CD players from the first gen were a single DAC which 'time shared' between left and right channels. And were audibly inferior to most other players at that time. My Magnevox, a Philips CD-1 or whatever, a toploader with 14bit (not a 16bit) DAC and 4x oversampling I suspect would still sound pretty good today. Stereophile loved the FD-1000 Magnevox. A real 'brick' the only problem is that I need a laser / pickup and that is unobtanium I owned a Magnevox back in the 80’s (though the specific model escapes me) as part of the journey. Were I looking today for dedicated music transport for the system I would get a Panasonic Blu-ray player with a digital coaxial output and use that exclusively. Solid audio and reliable tracking and buffering with no HDMI CD 💿 handshake issues. |
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