bootman
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Post by bootman on Feb 22, 2019 18:56:04 GMT -5
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Post by novisnick on Feb 22, 2019 19:13:22 GMT -5
Ct. Kirk still plays vinyl and uses tube amps in the future! Ha! 😁 |
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Post by 405x5 on Feb 22, 2019 19:48:27 GMT -5
Ct. Kirk still plays vinyl and uses tube amps in the future! Ha! 😁 I remember Shatner in the 70s being a spokesperson for Phase Linear, and that press photo with him pictured with the 4000 quad. Preamp. Records, tapes and FM were still the only listening however big power was in! Bill |
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Post by simpleman68 on Feb 22, 2019 20:06:55 GMT -5
Speaking of the Shatner 
Some NSFW language Scott
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Post by pedrocols on Feb 23, 2019 1:32:53 GMT -5
I grew up listening to LPs and I don't share his sentiment in this video.
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Post by 405x5 on Feb 23, 2019 9:21:18 GMT -5
Speaking of the Shatner
Some NSFW language Scott
Things have been tough since Kirk blew up the Enterprise! Bill |
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Post by bootman on Feb 25, 2019 8:11:48 GMT -5
I grew up listening to LPs and I don't share his sentiment in this video. I thought it was humorous. So much so I ordered a Fluance RT83, a Schiit mani and bought 5 used records at a local record shop this weekend.  ...and I too grew up listening to records in the late 70s and 80s and I was happy to see lots of young folks in the store buying records. (and yes old geezers like me were in there too. lol) |
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Post by vcautokid on Apr 17, 2019 10:35:59 GMT -5
Now come on now. You are just talking the Records. You got to have a $10,800.00 Vacuum Turntable for the ultimate suck! Sota Hires Millennia! Looks cool too!  |
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Post by adan on Apr 27, 2021 19:33:04 GMT -5
I went through my early phase of buying vinyl records in the early 2000's, for me, the fact that a needle and a spinning disk was playing what I believe to be great sound was an amazing experience and it's something that CDs and Tapes could not replicate. Plus, vinyls were so cheap back then.
However, in my opinion, vinyl quality is greatly exaggerated and inferior audio wise. At least it is to my ears.
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 27, 2021 20:14:40 GMT -5
I went through my early phase of buying vinyl records in the early 2000's, for me, the fact that a needle and a spinning disk was playing what I believe to be great sound was an amazing experience and it's something that CDs and Tapes could not replicate. Plus, vinyls were so cheap back then. However, in my opinion, vinyl quality is greatly exaggerated and inferior audio wise. At least it is to my ears. I agree with you totally, but your timeline makes me feel like a fossil! What you have experienced came and went with me back in the 1970’s! My record player was retired from the system entirely by 1995. Not sure when I bought my last LP, but a fair guess would be 36 years ago! Oops!…. I said “LP” …..do you know what that stands for (no joke). I might think some guys now may not know what a 45 is! Bill |
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Post by audiobill on Apr 28, 2021 5:17:08 GMT -5
Just my 2 cents -
90% of the time, I listen to Tidal or Qobuz at the highest resolutions available through Roon. No Pandora, Spotify, Youtube, Google or Apple Music welcome here.
And I am very confident that my equipment, as it has been carefully set up, is capable of producing top-tier sonics.
But here's the thing - there are many times that I really like the idea, as well as the sonics, of playing my beloved Blue Note jazz albums, repressed from original analog tapes on 180 gram vinyl through my tube preamp and tube amps. When played this way, no part of the signal has ever been through a digital conversion or solid state device of any kind. Not all the "progress" since 1961 has resulted in more enjoyment for me.
This can not be said for most recordings since about 1984, when digital recorders showed up. There is no benefit to listening to music that was originally digitally mastered on vinyl, imo.
And, for me, the clarity, transparency, presence and sheer enjoyment factor of this approach many times trump the digital route which admittedly offers vastly more convenience and selection at way less cost than a high quality turntable, phono stage and and moving coil cartridge.
In the end, this hobby for me is about sonics first, even if that comes at great expense as it often does.
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Post by adan on Apr 28, 2021 23:36:32 GMT -5
I went through my early phase of buying vinyl records in the early 2000's, for me, the fact that a needle and a spinning disk was playing what I believe to be great sound was an amazing experience and it's something that CDs and Tapes could not replicate. Plus, vinyls were so cheap back then. However, in my opinion, vinyl quality is greatly exaggerated and inferior audio wise. At least it is to my ears. I agree with you totally, but your timeline makes me feel like a fossil! What you have experienced came and went with me back in the 1970’s! My record player was retired from the system entirely by 1995. Not sure when I bought my last LP, but a fair guess would be 36 years ago! Oops!…. I said “LP” …..do you know what that stands for (no joke). I might think some guys now may not know what a 45 is! Bill Without googling, LP should stand for Long Play, and a 45 is those small records that have a song or two on them. Googling now, "long-playing record". HA! |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Apr 29, 2021 7:34:58 GMT -5
They were called LPs because they play at 33 1/3 rpm and originally had about 20 minutes of music per side.
Before that records played at 78 rpm and only had one song per side; smaller 45 rpm "singles" came out about a year after LPs.
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 29, 2021 7:57:52 GMT -5
“I listen to Tidal or Qobuz at the highest resolutions available through Roon. No Pandora, Spotify, Youtube, Google or Apple Music welcome here.” To each his own of course, but as a musician, I would call leaving places that offer musical history such as YouTube out over purist audio goals is indeed sad. “There is no benefit to listening to music that was originally digitally mastered on vinyl, imo.” Thats absurd….. So what you do if you don’t have a record player? “In the end, this hobby for me is about sonics first, even if that comes at great expense as it often does.” I have fond memories of digging on incredible musicians and their music, while struggling to hear everything that was going on there thru my portable cassette player, sitting upon the “doghouse” which is the work van engine cover. While on the work job, those performances could bring a tear to my eye regardless of the crappy fidelity. That in a nutshell is where purists that go overboard loose out. |
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Post by aldebaran on Mar 16, 2022 12:41:28 GMT -5
Back in the day, I had cassette tapes, 8-tracks and LPs to compare sound qualities with. LPs were the best sounding of the lot because they sounded brighter (higher frequency response) compared to tapes. And had a sort of manual, 'random access' play unlike any tape medium at that time - you could go to any song in any order without having to FF or REW. We didn't own an open-reel (reel to reel) player so I can't comment on its sound. In 1985, after CDs appeared, I have to say they took the crown away from records. To me, CDs sound better (no noise, more dynamic range and random access play) even with a low-end CD player. Records sound different, more 'organic' and warm, but have so many factors that could affect the sound quality so you really need a mid-high end turntable with a good pick-up to reap those benefits. The stylus wears with time and so does the medium itself, which affects the sound. So its this constant tweaking and adjusting that you need to make, the constant cleaning and maintenance of the record and the player, that might be a novelty to someone new to Vinyl. Then there's the inner-most track never sounding as good as the outer-most one.... Remembering to lower the volume or hit 'mute' before the stylus touches the record surface so the 'pop' sound doesn't destroy my speakers.... Yes, so vinyl kinda sucks....  P.S. Let's talk about MiniDiscs next! |
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Post by 405x5 on Mar 16, 2022 14:06:14 GMT -5
Back in the day, I had cassette tapes, 8-tracks and LPs to compare sound qualities with. LPs were the best sounding of the lot because they sounded brighter (higher frequency response) compared to tapes. And had a sort of manual, 'random access' play unlike any tape medium at that time - you could go to any song in any order without having to FF or REW. We didn't own an open-reel (reel to reel) player so I can't comment on its sound. In 1985, after CDs appeared, I have to say they took the crown away from records. To me, CDs sound better (no noise, more dynamic range and random access play) even with a low-end CD player. Records sound different, more 'organic' and warm, but have so many factors that could affect the sound quality so you really need a mid-high end turntable with a good pick-up to reap those benefits. The stylus wears with time and so does the medium itself, which affects the sound. So its this constant tweaking and adjusting that you need to make, the constant cleaning and maintenance of the record and the player, that might be a novelty to someone new to Vinyl. Then there's the inner-most track never sounding as good as the outer-most one.... Remembering to lower the volume or hit 'mute' before the stylus touches the record surface so the 'pop' sound doesn't destroy my speakers.... Yes, so vinyl kinda sucks.... P.S. Let's talk about MiniDiscs next! You talk in’ about these little midget kinda guys? (LOL) l have two of these puppies….both from around 1988. Both of my blu ray players have the small indent that accommodates them. Samples only…I have no memory of where they came from but managed to dig them out.  |
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Post by aldebaran on Mar 16, 2022 14:23:23 GMT -5
Not quite. They actually have a protective cassette around it, with a metal shutter, almost like a floppy disc....remember those?  |
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 16, 2022 14:27:31 GMT -5
smaller 45 rpm "singles" came out about a year after LPs. Remember the little plastic clip you had to snap into the middle of a 45 to play it on a "record player"? |
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 16, 2022 14:30:11 GMT -5
Not quite. They actually have a protective cassette around it, with a metal shutter, almost like a floppy disc....remember those? I still have 2 portable MD players, but sold my Pioneer Elite MD recorder (with the rosewood sides - it was beautiful). Still have my Elite CD player with the upside down tray loader, though. |
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Post by aldebaran on Mar 16, 2022 14:40:55 GMT -5
Same here, I kept a portable MD recorder, a MD player and a full size MD deck still hooked up (top right shelf). Have a ton of new MD blanks and a bunch of MD 'mix-tapes' I made decades ago. They still sound great.  |
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