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Post by klinemj on Nov 7, 2019 16:44:03 GMT -5
Sounds like Catalina is the main part of the problem indeed, along with this setting thing you found in Roon. But, I would not overlook the communications between the iPad and the Airport Express for Roon Remote. I briefly had some intermittent wifi issues on my system, and Roon Remote had some struggles like you described.
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Post by DYohn on Nov 7, 2019 16:52:03 GMT -5
Yes, Roon Radio is not Internet radio. I agree it is pretty great when it's what you want to listen to. It creates all sorts of interesting playlists using your library and subscribed services if any. It's like a thematic random play function. You can enable or disable it in the queue screen with a button. It should, by the way, have absolutely nothing to do with any of the issues you report, although I suppose if you don't understand what is it you might get confused. "Roon Radio Notifications" means that the system will display the next Roon Radio selected track 30 seconds before it plays to allow the user to give it a thumbs up or a thumbs down if you wish to hear that track or not. It is something that will appear in the Roon app you are using to control the system.
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 7, 2019 17:25:21 GMT -5
A couple of hours now without a crash...
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Post by DYohn on Nov 7, 2019 17:33:12 GMT -5
A couple of hours now without a crash... Great. As a point of reference for you, my Roon server has never crashed. That's the power of a dedicated server built for the purpose. Indeed, I just checked the system information screen (using phpSysInfo) and it has been running for 223 days, 4 hours and 26 minutes since the last system boot. And as I recall that boot was just a maintenance reboot by me since it had been a while. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 7, 2019 17:48:52 GMT -5
If the time does come for computer replacement (this MBP is the newest Apple product I've got), then my choices are an existing Win 10 laptop or to buy a dedicated NUC with R.O.C.K.
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 7, 2019 20:13:05 GMT -5
I'm satisfied that the background apps running on my MacBook Pro were the resource-hogs that kept causing Roon to crash. Since I shut them down, Roon has been 100% stable.
Thanks again for the coaching!
Boomzilla
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 7, 2019 21:05:59 GMT -5
If the time does come for computer replacement (this MBP is the newest Apple product I've got), then my choices are an existing Win 10 laptop or to buy a dedicated NUC with R.O.C.K. Please no laptops. A tower is so much more customizable and less expensive |
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 8, 2019 5:53:49 GMT -5
For the moment, I'm not inclined to mess with success... Roon is running without issue on my 15" MBP. I agree that this is not the ideal platform. An Intel mini-tower running R.O.C.K. would be closer to ideal, but would there really be any audible improvement from that change? I'm doubting it. Why do I keep running Roon on a laptop rather than a desktop? Because I need the laptops for work, and have them already here, paid-for, and doing nothing in between jobs. Why don't I use the Windows laptop rather than the Apple ones? Because I'm more familiar with the Apple OS, and use Windows only when I must. However, I'm beginning to think that (eventually) moving Roon off of the Apple platform may be beneficial. Reasons include: Roon support for Windows seems to be better than Roon support for Apple It costs me nothing to switch my Roon license between platforms Windows has less "system overhead" demand for resources than does OS-X My Windows laptop has a built-in optical drive for disc ripping - the Apple machines don't Once Roon is set up on the Windows machine, I won't need to mess with the OS much But wilburthegoose is right - PC towers are giveaways compared to the price of any laptop AND they can be customized till the cows come home. I may just pick up a tower case and power supply at a yard sale and toss the MB/CPU/RAM/HDD. I could still use the optical drive. The rebuild would be easy, and I could use whatever cards or parts I chose. And just looking online, I find I can get the following new for less than $1K: Intel i9 9900k 3.6 GHz processor / CPU cooler / Asus motherboard / 16-Gb RAM / 500-Gb SSD / video card / case with 450W power supply / optical drive THAT would run anything for quite a while to come... And I already have Win 10 Pro available... |
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Post by DYohn on Nov 8, 2019 10:17:22 GMT -5
Like I have said before in this very thread, you can buy or build a killer PC platform for less than $1K. Much less, in fact. And while Win 10 is maybe easiest, I would encourage you to use Linux for stability and improved server performance. I remain willing to help.
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 8, 2019 12:39:11 GMT -5
Thank you kindly, David. If / When the time comes, I may well avail myself of that help. It's appreciated.
Glenn
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Post by novisnick on Nov 8, 2019 14:06:36 GMT -5
I decided that Roon had had enough time to upgrade the Apple compatibility issue so last night I installed the latest OS to my 2012 Mac Mini, After reboot my streamer needed to update as well. After leaving it alone (always a great idea when upgrading! Watching the screen does NOT make it happen any faster) I rebooted the system one more time and all is well!
Streaming musical bliss in the palm of my hands via IPad. šš¶š¶š¶š¶
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Post by DYohn on Nov 8, 2019 15:12:10 GMT -5
Thank you kindly, David. If / When the time comes, I may well avail myself of that help. It's appreciated. Glenn The help includes building it for you if you are so inclined, so keep that in mind. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 8, 2019 15:54:17 GMT -5
Iām lazy, but not that lazy. But thanks anyway!
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Post by klinemj on Nov 8, 2019 17:45:02 GMT -5
Iām lazy, but not that lazy. But thanks anyway! True - you did reconstruct and modify some old Heathkit amps! Mark |
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 9, 2019 5:57:57 GMT -5
One wild and crazy question, if I might? Has anyone tried running Roon on a virtual machine? The virtual machine need not suffer from the resource limitations of a physical one (provided, of course that the physical machine has adequate resources to start with). In the virtual machine, the OS, the RAM, and the HDD are all in the RAM of the physical machine, meaning that there is no delay while waiting on hardware. The difference between the OS performance of a virtual machine and a physical one is equivalent to the difference between a SSD and a 5400 RMP hard drive (on a slow day).
In fact, if a simple PC was set up as a virtual machine, and R.O.C.K. installed, the performance should exceed that of a NUC by a significant margin. Further, since EVERY aspect of the virtual machine can be customized, the only speed limitation would be the physical ethernet and/or USB connections that would need to be accessed through the physical machine. One can provide the virtual machine any and all resources needed (subject only to the limitations of physical RAM) without any slowdown.
And, by using virtualization software (such as VMWare Fusion), the virtual machine becomes platform-independent. You can run Windows, OS-X, Linux, Unix, or maybe even R.O.C.K. individually or all on the same machine. As a way to stop hardware and software interference, a virtual environment might be the ultimate clean-up. Also note that when the virtual machine is running, it can be set to supersede ALL physical machine background functions in hardware or software.
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Post by SteveH on Nov 9, 2019 8:35:33 GMT -5
What is "play internet radio between selections" and where is this function located? I just went to Roon and discovered this tab that I do not recall seeing before. Perhaps this is the 'Internet Radio' Boom is referring to? Has anyone else noticed this tab before? Or have I just missed it?  |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 9, 2019 8:45:04 GMT -5
Internet Radio on Roon is streaming from an internet station. I often will listen to BBC2 while working. It's also capable of streaming TuneIn channels.
But it's different from what Boom was talking about - he was talking about Roon Radio, which is like a Pandora running only on your music collection + Tidal + Qobuz if you subscribe to those services. In my case, I get Tidal, and I've discovered so much great music via Roon Radio.
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 9, 2019 8:48:56 GMT -5
One wild and crazy question, if I might? Has anyone tried running Roon on a virtual machine? The virtual machine need not suffer from the resource limitations of a physical one (provided, of course that the physical machine has adequate resources to start with). In the virtual machine, the OS, the RAM, and the HDD are all in the RAM of the physical machine, meaning that there is no delay while waiting on hardware. The difference between the OS performance of a virtual machine and a physical one is equivalent to the difference between a SSD and a 5400 RMP hard drive (on a slow day). In fact, if a simple PC was set up as a virtual machine, and R.O.C.K. installed, the performance should exceed that of a NUC by a significant margin. Further, since EVERY aspect of the virtual machine can be customized, the only speed limitation would be the physical ethernet and/or USB connections that would need to be accessed through the physical machine. One can provide the virtual machine any and all resources needed (subject only to the limitations of physical RAM) without any slowdown. And, by using virtualization software (such as VMWare Fusion), the virtual machine becomes platform-independent. You can run Windows, OS-X, Linux, Unix, or maybe even R.O.C.K. individually or all on the same machine. As a way to stop hardware and software interference, a virtual environment might be the ultimate clean-up. Also note that when the virtual machine is running, it can be set to supersede ALL physical machine background functions in hardware or software. Boom Boom - have you ever worked with virtualization and hypervisors? I do a ton of virtualization at work, and I think it's serious overkill for the home, especially with the very low cost of CPUs and storage in 2019. Your comment on the performance of a NUC compared to a PC isn't correct. My Roon Server PC is running a quad core Intel i5 from about 5 years ago. Get a NUC with a current gen i7, and I promise you that the NUC will outperform my PC. Keep it simple. Complex may be fun to design and implement, but in this case, it's self-defeating. |
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Post by SteveH on Nov 9, 2019 9:01:52 GMT -5
"Play Internet Radio Between Selections" - new one to me too. Good morning Wilbur, Internet Radio is new to Roon. Have you tried this selection yet?  |
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Post by DYohn on Nov 9, 2019 9:55:15 GMT -5
What is "play internet radio between selections" and where is this function located? I just went to Roon and discovered this tab that I do not recall seeing before. Perhaps this is the 'Internet Radio' Boom is referring to? Has anyone else noticed this tab before? Or have I just missed it? View AttachmentInternet Radio has always been there, as Wilbur answered. You can ad the URL of any streaming radio station and play it through Roon. I listen to my RadioTunes subscription through it and have since the beginning of Roon. It has nothing to do with the issue Boom was having. |
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