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Post by Talley on Nov 30, 2019 21:42:24 GMT -5
It's the holidays... I don't check none stop but I get back from holiday family time and I get on the emotiva site and I see a gen2 xpa-1 as available and sold out.
1. When did they renew this product?
2. Was it just available for black friday?
3. How many units sold?
4. Will this be available again?
To me it's quite obvious... they sold out right?.... then that means they are a viable product that you shouldn't consider discontinuing (again).
So really, what is the story here?
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Post by mick on Nov 30, 2019 23:16:18 GMT -5
One of the very best amps along with the 1L's
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Post by Jessica on Nov 30, 2019 23:23:38 GMT -5
It's the holidays... I don't check none stop but I get back from holiday family time and I get on the emotiva site and I see a gen2 xpa-1 as available and sold out. 1. When did they renew this product? 2. Was it just available for black friday? 3. How many units sold? 4. Will this be available again? To me it's quite obvious... they sold out right?.... then that means they are a viable product that you shouldn't consider discontinuing (again). So really, what is the story here? The XPA-1 Gen 2 was just a Black Friday weekend special, and yes, we are sold out! We had a limited number here that we decided to sell this weekend. We're not bringing it back from retirement. It was just a special thing to do for the weekend since we had some. I highly recommend signing up for our emails or text messages so you don't miss out when we do special things like on Black Friday. |
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Post by adaboy on Nov 30, 2019 23:44:32 GMT -5
It's the holidays... I don't check none stop but I get back from holiday family time and I get on the emotiva site and I see a gen2 xpa-1 as available and sold out. 1. When did they renew this product? 2. Was it just available for black friday? 3. How many units sold? 4. Will this be available again? To me it's quite obvious... they sold out right?.... then that means they are a viable product that you shouldn't consider discontinuing (again). So really, what is the story here? The short story is poor mgmt. Maybe they sold the rights away to whomever is making them for Mono Price. That business decision would make the most sense I guess. They could totally have 2 lines of high end products. Switching power supplies and the original Emo amps. That way they can satisfy both crowds. |
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Post by jdmusante on Dec 1, 2019 0:20:11 GMT -5
They had 3 pairs (6 total units) is what I was told by Cathy via email a couple of weeks back. I bought one pair of them 10 days ago and received mine yesterday. Unfortunately, one of them doesn't work (Emotiva - please get a hold of me. I've sent you a couple of emails about the amp and some other things.)
They sold 2 pair for their Black Friday sale. I do agree that they could sell more of these if they wanted to produce them. It's not the direction they are going in as a company though.
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Post by garbulky on Dec 1, 2019 1:01:56 GMT -5
TalleyHear hear! I whole-heartedly support this idea. 
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 1, 2019 6:21:20 GMT -5
To bring back a generation 2 product to current production would be a tacit admission by Emotiva that the generation 3 products don't sound as good. Emotiva does not wish to admit this, despite the fact that some (many?) customers believe it to be so. The future of Emotiva (and the future of almost all other consumer audio products companies) is in the direction of switching-power-supply amplifiers used with Class-D (or G, H, etc.) audio-amplification topology. The good news is that such amplifiers CAN sound very, very good (listen to the Emotiva PA-1 amplifier as an example). So by the time that the next generation of X-series amplifiers is available, I'm expecting great things. The new amps will run cooler, weigh less, be less expensive to produce, cost the consumer less, and (probably) sound just as good if not better than the generation 2 & 3 products. And so, in summary, garbulky's desire for the return of "heavy-iron" power supplies is destined for perpetual frustration. Neither Emotiva nor any other major manufacturer is headed in that direction. In the meantime, the generation 3 Emotiva products certainly sound better than the majority of the competition and also still cost less. Bravo Emotiva! |
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Post by audiobill on Dec 1, 2019 6:42:52 GMT -5
"The future of Emotiva (and the future of almost all other consumer audio products companies) is in the direction of switching-power-supply amplifiers used with Class-D (or G, H, etc.) audio-amplification topology."
"Neither Emotiva nor any other major manufacturer is headed in that direction."
Boom, Isn't it the case that many actual high end companies haven't embraced this? More expensive to make, but the proof's in the pudding methinks.
Really, no way to conduct an "All Out Assault on the High End" As Emo used to strut before giving in to profitability pressures.
Best,
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 1, 2019 7:20:28 GMT -5
Hi audiobill - You missed an important word. The word was " major" consumer electronics manufacturers. That means the Japanese giants such as Yamaha, Denon, Sony, Integra, Pioneer, and a few others that I've missed. Yes, there will always be a specialty demand for older technologies (vinyl, for example and amps with heavy-iron power supplies), but when demand drops (and it will), the major manufacturers will drop those products as well. And I contend that all the Japanese Giants WILL soon be changing their technologies. As to Emotiva products being "an all-out assault on the high end," that hasn't been the case for awhile, and won't be anywhere in the future. Emotiva first needs to survive financially. If they decide to make only a few, very high-end products, then those products must return a HUGE profit margin to keep the company afloat, meaning MUCH higher prices. Instead, Emotiva has cast their lot in with the big boys, and chosen to make many products, all market-competitive, and at affordable prices. But to stay in business with that model, their sales figures must be high to sustain the R&D costs (they make less profit on each item sold). Emotiva can charge a premium if (and only if) their products sound better than the mass market giants. But if the premium is too large, or if the sonic difference isn't immediately obvious to the potential purchaser, then that sale will be lost. For now, Emotiva is working their niche and (hopefully) doing well financially. But the Japanese Giants aren't standing still either, and Emotiva will need continuous improvement to remain competitive. The benefits of this competition go to the consumers who get better-and-better-sounding products at affordable prices. Cordially - Boom |
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Post by audiobill on Dec 1, 2019 7:25:09 GMT -5
Agreee - I did miss "major", as well as "consumer electronics" and "mass market" which I have very little interest in these days.
Best,
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 1, 2019 10:06:49 GMT -5
They could totally have 2 lines of high end products. Switching power supplies and the original Emo amps. That way they can satisfy both crowds. Hi adaboy - I don't want to set myself up as "defender of Emotiva" - they neither need nor want me... But I actually DON'T think they could sustain "2 lines of high-end products." Production costs per unit rise as volumes decrease, warehouse space isn't cheap, and marketing budgets only go so far. And I think that having two competing lines would cause perpetual arguments rather than "satisfying both crowds." But as always, I could be wrong... Boomzilla |
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Post by emofrmcgy on Dec 1, 2019 10:20:12 GMT -5
It's the holidays... I don't check none stop but I get back from holiday family time and I get on the emotiva site and I see a gen2 xpa-1 as available and sold out. 1. When did they renew this product? 2. Was it just available for black friday? 3. How many units sold? 4. Will this be available again? To me it's quite obvious... they sold out right?.... then that means they are a viable product that you shouldn't consider discontinuing (again). So really, what is the story here? The short story is poor mgmt. Maybe they sold the rights away to whomever is making them for Mono Price. That business decision would make the most sense I guess. They could totally have 2 lines of high end products. Switching power supplies and the original Emo amps. That way they can satisfy both crowds. Monoprice ? What did I miss ? |
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Post by routlaw on Dec 1, 2019 14:03:36 GMT -5
I find some of this criticism of Emotiva a bit bizarre, especially when it comes to Class D amps. SMPS vs Linear. Its not just consumer based electronics manufacturers who have been ditching linear power supplies either. There are many high end audio companies building amps, pre-amps, phono stages and other items using SMPS. A quick cursory look at either Stereophile's Recommended Components will bare this out, as well as the The Absolute Sounds Editors choice award.
For instance:
Stereophile Class A rating for amps:
Bel Canto, OneRef600 Mono Blocs at a mere $4990 per pair
MBL Corona C15 Mono Blocs an even sweeter deal at $20K per pair
PS Audio Stellar M700 Mono Blocs come in at $3K per pair
Bare in mind all of these amps are in the same class rating as other amps costing $20, 50, even $100K± per pair and weighing in at anywhere from 100 lbs each to as much as 250 lbs a piece consuming copious amounts of energy turned into nothing more than a by product of wasted heat.
Dropping down to Class B rating, amps only:
Audio Alchemy DPA-1 @ $3990 per pair
Mytek Brooklyn Stereo Amp but can be bridged to Mono Blocs @ $2495 each
Emotiva XPA-2 Gen 3 stereo amp $1049.00 Hmmm, must sound terrible at this price, what was Stereophile thinking including this one in Class B
TAS 2018 and 2017 Editors Choice Awards: Wyred 4 Sound SX 1000R Mono Blocs normally $3600 per pair, on sale now for $2600 per pair.
There are dozens more products using SMPS also that have garnered awards and praise, Sutherland 20/20 phono stage($2000.00) Class A rating, Audio by Van Alstine Vision Q phono pre-amp ($500.00) product of the year at TAS in 2017.
Conversations such as this remind me of others from 20+ years ago when digital photography started gaining traction over film based photography. The rest is history.
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Post by adaboy on Dec 1, 2019 14:13:16 GMT -5
The short story is poor mgmt. Maybe they sold the rights away to whomever is making them for Mono Price. That business decision would make the most sense I guess. They could totally have 2 lines of high end products. Switching power supplies and the original Emo amps. That way they can satisfy both crowds. Monoprice ? What did I miss ? You didn't miss anything, I was just wondering if maybe they are building for another company or sold the rights to do so, or maybe the Chinese vendor stopped production. |
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Post by Talley on Dec 1, 2019 14:29:33 GMT -5
It's the holidays... I don't check none stop but I get back from holiday family time and I get on the emotiva site and I see a gen2 xpa-1 as available and sold out. 1. When did they renew this product? 2. Was it just available for black friday? 3. How many units sold? 4. Will this be available again? To me it's quite obvious... they sold out right?.... then that means they are a viable product that you shouldn't consider discontinuing (again). So really, what is the story here? The XPA-1 Gen 2 was just a Black Friday weekend special, and yes, we are sold out! We had a limited number here that we decided to sell this weekend. We're not bringing it back from retirement. It was just a special thing to do for the weekend since we had some. I highly recommend signing up for our emails or text messages so you don't miss out when we do special things like on Black Friday. The same email notifications that wasn't delivered when the XMC-1 upgrade to XMC-2 was released? Ya I missed that one too because your email system never sent me an email.... but it's ok, your plan worked because the RMC-1L upgrade was available so I decided to just buy it. |
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Post by teaman on Dec 1, 2019 14:39:52 GMT -5
Monoprice ? What did I miss ? You didn't miss anything, I was just wondering if maybe they are building for another company or sold the rights to do so, or maybe the Chinese vendor stopped production. As far as I have heard, the Monoprice Mololith amplifiers are built for them ATI, I am not positive though. Emotiva's old amplifier (and other electronics) manufacturer ToneWinner now sells direct to public through www.SummitHiFi.com to the US and Canada. The amps ramp up to 500 watts per channel into 8 ohms. They also have beautiful CD players, preamps, Integrated amps and surround processors. One look at the CD player they offer tells you where Emotiva gets theirs from. summithifi.com/blogs/news/introducing-our-new-ampswww.youtube.com/watch?v=GYoztNrIvuU&feature=youtu.beSummit HiFi even offers its own version with 500 wpc for $1349. Free shipping, five year warranty and 45 day in home trial. To me it is hard to beat. Then that gorgeous analog meter. For the morny, they look like a really nicely built amp....XPR-2 Gen 3 anyone? summithifi.com/collections/summit-hi-fi-audio-brand/products/ad-2500-power-amplifierI have chatted with the salesman at Summit several times and I would consider seriously one of their products if I were in the market. Tim |
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Post by pedrocols on Dec 1, 2019 14:52:31 GMT -5
I find some of this criticism of Emotiva a bit bizarre, especially when it comes to Class D amps. SMPS vs Linear. Its not just consumer based electronics manufacturers who have been ditching linear power supplies either. There are many high end audio companies building amps, pre-amps, phono stages and other items using SMPS. A quick cursory look at either Stereophile's Recommended Components will bare this out, as well as the The Absolute Sounds Editors choice award. For instance: Stereophile Class A rating for amps: Bel Canto, OneRef600 Mono Blocs at a mere $4990 per pair MBL Corona C15 Mono Blocs an even sweeter deal at $20K per pair PS Audio Stellar M700 Mono Blocs come in at $3K per pair Bare in mind all of these amps are in the same class rating as other amps costing $20, 50, even $100K± per pair and weighing in at anywhere from 100 lbs each to as much as 250 lbs a piece consuming copious amounts of energy turned into nothing more than a by product of wasted heat. Dropping down to Class B rating, amps only: Audio Alchemy DPA-1 @ $3990 per pair Mytek Brooklyn Stereo Amp but can be bridged to Mono Blocs @ $2495 each Emotiva XPA-2 Gen 3 stereo amp $1049.00 Hmmm, must sound terrible at this price, what was Stereophile thinking including this one in Class B TAS 2018 and 2017 Editors Choice Awards: Wyred 4 Sound SX 1000R Mono Blocs normally $3600 per pair, on sale now for $2600 per pair. There are dozens more products using SMPS also that have garnered awards and praise, Sutherland 20/20 phono stage($2000.00) Class A rating, Audio by Van Alstine Vision Q phono pre-amp ($500.00) product of the year at TAS in 2017. Conversations such as this remind me of others from 20+ years ago when digital photography started gaining traction over film based photography. The rest is history. There is always an agenda going on with Stereophool Magazine. I would not make any purchases based on their recommendations. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 1, 2019 15:00:29 GMT -5
They could totally have 2 lines of high end products. Switching power supplies and the original Emo amps. That way they can satisfy both crowds. Hi adaboy - I don't want to set myself up as "defender of Emotiva" - they neither need nor want me... But I actually DON'T think they could sustain "2 lines of high-end products." Production costs per unit rise as volumes decrease, warehouse space isn't cheap, and marketing budgets only go so far. And I think that having two competing lines would cause perpetual arguments rather than "satisfying both crowds." But as always, I could be wrong... Boomzilla I don’t see it as “2 lines off high end products”, more that they have a “Heritage” line that acknowledges some customers will always want the “traditional”, in this case a linear power supply with switchable Class A. They could be made to order in limited production runs, say, 100 annually and priced accordingly. Power amps are, as I see it, Emotiva’s heritage and as we all know a great sounding power amp today will still be a great sounding power amp for decades. I don’t think processors for example are ever going to be “heritage”. Analogue pre amps though, they are another candidate. Cheers Gary |
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Post by routlaw on Dec 1, 2019 15:10:44 GMT -5
What agenda would this be? And you know this how? Otherwise I do agree to some extent I would not make a purchase solely on what any of these magazines stated or recommended, but I would also not completely disregard it either. |
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Post by garbulky on Dec 1, 2019 15:20:54 GMT -5
To bring back a generation 2 product to current production would be a tacit admission by Emotiva that the generation 3 products don't sound as good. They don't gotta admit it. Just bring back the best amp they made  But sadly yes, I think there is no way they are going to go back to gen 2. Call it the Heavy Iron gen 3 and bring it back! I'm reserving my judgment on the DR series because I haven't heard it yet, but Emotiva needs to reclaim what made them great in the amp market. Right now their Emotiva PA-1 amp is the only one that interests me. Perhaps make a big boy PA-1 version. I believe the Emersa amps were going to be just that but they've been put on indefinite hold for now. |
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