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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 6, 2020 14:55:22 GMT -5
Thank you. I will look further. I have a drive with stuff on it, would that work if it is formatted correctly? When I see your username I get a little dyslexic and think you could be Bev Bevan from The Move and ELO! 🥁
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Post by benbvan on Apr 6, 2020 15:03:03 GMT -5
Thank you. I will look further. I have a drive with stuff on it, would that work if it is formatted correctly? When I see your username I get a little dyslexic and think you could be Bev Bevan from The Move and ELO! 🥁 When I see it, it also looks confusing. Was just a quick one I could remember being a combination of my name.
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Post by idea53 on Apr 6, 2020 16:29:29 GMT -5
I you have got one DON'T USE IT - I did and that resulted in a bricked RMC-1 when doing a firmware update due to the USB-stick was not compatible with my RMC-1. Since I bought it in Sweden it was not that easy to solve but finally my dealer swapped it to a new RMC-1 but what happened to the old one I do not know. I told Emotiva support that they should go out with a warning about this but in 8 months time I have not seen this. Emotiva should also do a recall of all USB-sticks and replace them with tested and approved ones (as is standrad practice in the automotive business when they find a faulty part in their production) USB sticks are inexpensive. Buy one from a trusted manufacturer and don't look back. It's definitely not the money, I've got plenty of USB-sticks and another one did the job. It was the bricked RMC-1 and a couple of weeks discussion with Emotiva support and then the dealer that annoyed me. Everybody was acting very good and helpful and solved the issue but it is a bit scary that what Emotiva ships is not compatible with its products. I know that USB-sticks are sometimes unpredictable but if you avoid the cheapest there are seldom any problems.
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Post by KeithL on Apr 6, 2020 16:54:43 GMT -5
Unfortunately, when it comes to USB sticks, that often seems not to be the case. The first batch of sticks we purchased, after the original ones with our name imprinted on them, were 8 gB Sandisk sticks. (I normally consider Sandisk to be the top brand.) Out of 100 "identical" Sandisk sticks, about 90 of them worked with our processors, and ten did not (all of them worked fine on a computer). We assumed that there was some minor internal difference... perhaps a different revision of controller chip in the stick.
Even when we tested each stick individually we occasionally found one that would work with one unit and not another.
(While our processors seem to be somewhat "fussy" about USB sticks... I've also encountered USB sticks that refused to work on just one computer.)
Our processors also validate the firmware update files before loading them. So a "bad" USB stick will simply not read - but it will NOT cause a unit to brick.
USB sticks are inexpensive. Buy one from a trusted manufacturer and don't look back. It's definitely not the money, I've got plenty of USB-sticks and another one did the job. It was the bricked RMC-1 and a couple of weeks discussion with Emotiva support and then the dealer that annoyed me. Everybody was acting very good and helpful and solved the issue but it is a bit scary that what Emotiva ships is not compatible with its products. I know that USB-sticks are sometimes unpredictable but if you avoid the cheapest there are seldom any problems.
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Post by benbvan on Apr 6, 2020 17:35:01 GMT -5
So should I, or should I not use the one I have, that already has some movies on it?
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 6, 2020 18:28:40 GMT -5
So should I, or should I not use the one I have, that already has some movies on it? Personally I've used any number of brands of varying capacities(A-Data, OCZ, Lexar, PNY, Transcend, etc), all were formatted FAT32. I also have never loaded firmware on any of my past or current Emotiva processors with a USB stick that had anything on it other than the .DAT firmware file in the main folder. Either your RMC-1/RMC-1L/XMC-2 will recognize your USB stick or it won't. If it does I see no reason to not use it for loading the firmware.
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Post by benbvan on Apr 6, 2020 18:59:17 GMT -5
So should I, or should I not use the one I have, that already has some movies on it? Personally I've used any number of brands of varying capacities(A-Data, OCZ, Lexar, PNY, Transcend, etc), all were formatted FAT32. I also have never loaded firmware on any of my past or current Emotiva processors with a USB stick that had anything on it other than the .DAT firmware file in the main folder. Either your RMC-1/RMC-1L/XMC-2 will recognize your USB stick or it won't. If it does I see no reason to not use it for loading the firmware. Thank you
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Post by idea53 on Apr 7, 2020 5:21:37 GMT -5
Unfortunately, when it comes to USB sticks, that often seems not to be the case. The first batch of sticks we purchased, after the original ones with our name imprinted on them, were 8 gB Sandisk sticks. (I normally consider Sandisk to be the top brand.) Out of 100 "identical" Sandisk sticks, about 90 of them worked with our processors, and ten did not (all of them worked fine on a computer). We assumed that there was some minor internal difference... perhaps a different revision of controller chip in the stick.
Even when we tested each stick individually we occasionally found one that would work with one unit and not another.
(While our processors seem to be somewhat "fussy" about USB sticks... I've also encountered USB sticks that refused to work on just one computer.) Our processors also validate the firmware update files before loading them. So a "bad" USB stick will simply not read - but it will NOT cause a unit to brick.
It's definitely not the money, I've got plenty of USB-sticks and another one did the job. It was the bricked RMC-1 and a couple of weeks discussion with Emotiva support and then the dealer that annoyed me. Everybody was acting very good and helpful and solved the issue but it is a bit scary that what Emotiva ships is not compatible with its products. I know that USB-sticks are sometimes unpredictable but if you avoid the cheapest there are seldom any problems. Interesting reaktion - the customer is always wrong. In this case it was the USB-stick that was the fault. I had no problem to write the file to the stick and the RMC-1 to read the firmware file but in the process I guess the USB-stick failed because afterwards I had problem reading the stick from my computer and when I tried to reformat it the computer first refused to recognize it but after some tries it worked. The USB-stick then behaved strange when trying to write to it and I of course scrapped it.
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Post by cawgijoe on Apr 7, 2020 6:55:44 GMT -5
Unfortunately, when it comes to USB sticks, that often seems not to be the case. The first batch of sticks we purchased, after the original ones with our name imprinted on them, were 8 gB Sandisk sticks. (I normally consider Sandisk to be the top brand.) Out of 100 "identical" Sandisk sticks, about 90 of them worked with our processors, and ten did not (all of them worked fine on a computer). We assumed that there was some minor internal difference... perhaps a different revision of controller chip in the stick.
Even when we tested each stick individually we occasionally found one that would work with one unit and not another.
(While our processors seem to be somewhat "fussy" about USB sticks... I've also encountered USB sticks that refused to work on just one computer.) Our processors also validate the firmware update files before loading them. So a "bad" USB stick will simply not read - but it will NOT cause a unit to brick.
Interesting reaktion - the customer is always wrong. In this case it was the USB-stick that was the fault. I had no problem to write the file to the stick and the RMC-1 to read the firmware file but in the process I guess the USB-stick failed because afterwards I had problem reading the stick from my computer and when I tried to reformat it the computer first refused to recognize it but after some tries it worked. The USB-stick then behaved strange when trying to write to it and I of course scrapped it. Whether the stick caused the problem or something else, I'm just happy that your problem was resolved, especially being outside of the US. I personally have never had an issue with any USB stick and my XMC-1 and now XMC-2. I normally use Sandisk, but have been using Monster Cable brand sticks that I got a few years ago at a great discontinued price.
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Post by deviate2112 on Apr 20, 2020 20:05:26 GMT -5
I know I'm getting a bit ahead of things but...In anticipation of the upcoming LBB (Little black box) for Dirac, I was looking over the mic and cable given to us in our "kit". It's a pretty short usb to xlr mic cable that goes to the xlr mic. That's not going to work for me. All my gear, RMC-1L, audio equipment, HTPC is in another room about 20' from my theater. I'm going to need a much longer USP to XLR cable, is a 20 + footer going to be an issue? . Anyone else going to have this issue?
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Post by idea53 on Apr 21, 2020 4:57:49 GMT -5
You just need a standard microphone cable - XLR-male to XLR-female - between the microphone and the delivered cable. These can be found in any music instrument shop at almost any lenght and if necessary you can hook up several in series to make any length needed.
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Post by idea53 on Apr 21, 2020 5:13:33 GMT -5
Just noticed that Q1-2020 has passed and still the message is that Dirac will be a couple of weeks away. I guess that it will be Q3-2020 before any delivery to sweden (in that case 18 months after Q1-2019...).
It would be very nice to have a short weekly report on the Dirac project. Not that it will make any difference to the timeing or that I don't believe that Emotiva is doing everything they can to get this up and running but the waiting will be more durable when you can follow the progress.
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Post by vcautokid on Apr 21, 2020 6:10:09 GMT -5
A word to the wise is always have the .bin or .dat on the root directory. Many resident software on the USB drive itself can be problematic on some devices. When I upgrade, unless it is related to the device being upgraded, all else is eliminated from that USB stick. Will it matter in all instances. Usually not if you follow the Root placement and have nothing else in the root. But since the unusual can happen still as Keith as stated, why take a chance. USB sticks are cheap. It is not unreasonable to have a USB purpose built for that device firmware or software updates only. Now the RMC may have other house keeping or overhead it does (consult Keith, or support for more) so follow Emotiva's guidelines always. If you don't know or have questions, ask! I like that if the USB is not all set so to speak, the RMC won't read it. Pretty cool in that regard. Why a USB drive or stick not be read could be due to a few factors but again Emotiva maybe doing something I am not aware of but things that are for sure. It is FAT 32, and that many USB sticks come with some software in it with dubious value in it. What Emotiva does with it I have no idea, nor anything else other than that there is at least a .bin or .dat file in it.
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Post by megash0n on Apr 21, 2020 6:30:06 GMT -5
Just noticed that Q1-2020 has passed and still the message is that Dirac will be a couple of weeks away. I guess that it will be Q3-2020 before any delivery to sweden (in that case 18 months after Q1-2019...). It would be very nice to have a short weekly report on the Dirac project. Not that it will make any difference to the timeing or that I don't believe that Emotiva is doing everything they can to get this up and running but the waiting will be more durable when you can follow the progress. Consistent updates huh? You mean like... They would provide a formal list of any and all problems being worked on for each platform? Say like.. Something you see other companies do that want to be transparent? A numbered and dated list of issues? So, when each issue is resolved during FW updates, we actually know what has been done or attempted to be done? We can see if prior issues somehow work their way back into our devices. Ok, enough sarcasm. We can only hope these things are happening and that they are just choosing not to share this level of detail with us patient loaners of money 😉
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Post by markc on Apr 21, 2020 7:02:27 GMT -5
Just noticed that Q1-2020 has passed and still the message is that Dirac will be a couple of weeks away. I guess that it will be Q3-2020 before any delivery to sweden (in that case 18 months after Q1-2019...). It would be very nice to have a short weekly report on the Dirac project. Not that it will make any difference to the timeing or that I don't believe that Emotiva is doing everything they can to get this up and running but the waiting will be more durable when you can follow the progress. Consistent updates huh? You mean like... They would provide a formal list of any and all problems being worked on for each platform? Say like.. Something you see other companies do that want to be transparent? A numbered and dated list of issues? So, when each issue is resolved during FW updates, we actually know what has been done or attempted to be done? We can see if prior issues somehow work their way back into our devices. Ok, enough sarcasm. We can only hope these things are happening and that they are just choosing not to share this level of detail with us patient loaners of money 😉 I’ve just looked at the Marantz, Anthem, Monoprice and Arcam web sites and spent quite some while poring over the "snag lists" with regards to currently acknowledged operational problems of their high end (and low end) processors and the recent resolved issues in this morning’s Nightly build of each device’s firmware. Blimey! They are quite comprehensive with all of the details you suggest, in varying degrees of course. (From none to zero in every instance)
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Post by swimerz on Apr 23, 2020 21:17:01 GMT -5
Dirac has announced that Dirac Live Bass Control, the latest feature of Dirac Live room correction, is now officially available on multiple home theater systems and in a range of products from a series of leading AVR manufacturers. Dirac Live Bass Control measures and phase corrects both the speakers and subwoofers across all frequencies to produce enhanced bass clarity and improved bass tone evenness throughout the room. A number of AVR manufacturers that have or will have this functionality were named, and Emotiva was not listed.
Powered by machine learning and AI and extending the capabilities of the existing Dirac Live room correction software, Dirac Live Bass Control intelligently co-optimizes a system’s subwoofers and speakers to deliver consistent and accurate bass throughout an entire room. The newest feature is available in three tiers: Enabled, for manual single subwoofer management; Limited, for automatic single subwoofer management; and Complete, for AI multi-subwoofer management.
My question is will this be included when Dirac is added to my RMC-1? I require the multi-subwoofer management.
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Post by megash0n on Apr 23, 2020 21:27:39 GMT -5
Dirac has announced that Dirac Live Bass Control, the latest feature of Dirac Live room correction, is now officially available on multiple home theater systems and in a range of products from a series of leading AVR manufacturers. Dirac Live Bass Control measures and phase corrects both the speakers and subwoofers across all frequencies to produce enhanced bass clarity and improved bass tone evenness throughout the room. A number of AVR manufacturers that have or will have this functionality were named, and Emotiva was not listed. Powered by machine learning and AI and extending the capabilities of the existing Dirac Live room correction software, Dirac Live Bass Control intelligently co-optimizes a system’s subwoofers and speakers to deliver consistent and accurate bass throughout an entire room. The newest feature is available in three tiers: Enabled, for manual single subwoofer management; Limited, for automatic single subwoofer management; and Complete, for AI multi-subwoofer management. My question is will this be included when Dirac is added to my RMC-1? I require the multi-subwoofer management. No. None of the "sub" Modules are included. It is extra.
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Post by megash0n on Apr 23, 2020 21:32:32 GMT -5
Dirac has announced that Dirac Live Bass Control, the latest feature of Dirac Live room correction, is now officially available on multiple home theater systems and in a range of products from a series of leading AVR manufacturers. Dirac Live Bass Control measures and phase corrects both the speakers and subwoofers across all frequencies to produce enhanced bass clarity and improved bass tone evenness throughout the room. A number of AVR manufacturers that have or will have this functionality were named, and Emotiva was not listed. Powered by machine learning and AI and extending the capabilities of the existing Dirac Live room correction software, Dirac Live Bass Control intelligently co-optimizes a system’s subwoofers and speakers to deliver consistent and accurate bass throughout an entire room. The newest feature is available in three tiers: Enabled, for manual single subwoofer management; Limited, for automatic single subwoofer management; and Complete, for AI multi-subwoofer management. My question is will this be included when Dirac is added to my RMC-1? I require the multi-subwoofer management. Do you have a link for this information? I'd like to see the other manufacturers that have this.
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Post by benbvan on Apr 23, 2020 21:36:11 GMT -5
Dirac has announced that Dirac Live Bass Control, the latest feature of Dirac Live room correction, is now officially available on multiple home theater systems and in a range of products from a series of leading AVR manufacturers. Dirac Live Bass Control measures and phase corrects both the speakers and subwoofers across all frequencies to produce enhanced bass clarity and improved bass tone evenness throughout the room. A number of AVR manufacturers that have or will have this functionality were named, and Emotiva was not listed. Powered by machine learning and AI and extending the capabilities of the existing Dirac Live room correction software, Dirac Live Bass Control intelligently co-optimizes a system’s subwoofers and speakers to deliver consistent and accurate bass throughout an entire room. The newest feature is available in three tiers: Enabled, for manual single subwoofer management; Limited, for automatic single subwoofer management; and Complete, for AI multi-subwoofer management. My question is will this be included when Dirac is added to my RMC-1? I require the multi-subwoofer management. No. None of the "sub" Modules are included. It is extra. What do you mean none of the sub modules are included? Are you saying Dirac won't deal with the up to 3 dedicated sub outputs in the RMC-1?
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Post by davidl81 on Apr 23, 2020 21:38:49 GMT -5
No. None of the "sub" Modules are included. It is extra. What do you mean none of the sub modules are included? Are you saying Dirac won't deal with the up to 3 dedicated sub outputs in the RMC-1? Dirac Bass Management will be an extra cost add on option. Honestly no idea when it will be available for the RMC line (if ever).
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