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Post by cgolf on Sept 14, 2009 5:28:24 GMT -5
Well, at least Emo *finally* got honest and updated their "Processors" page to reflect the truth of the matter: "This category doesn't have anything in it, but check back soon." It appears all the wishful thinking by the fan-boys for an EmoFest release of the UMC-1 were for naught. Anybody here willing to take a bet that it won't be released this month? The icing on the cake had to be when they found out that the *finally* completed processors wouldn't fit in the shipping boxes. But, never fear, it's really just a simple fix and I'm sure they'll use their newly-patented box stretcher to solve the problem. Seriously though, the one thing that really makes me think we have a 2-3 month wait before they actually begin shipping the product is that there is no downloadable Users Manual available yet. *Surely* the product is truly "finished" and ready for shipping, so why no Users Manual to at least keep us busy while we wait for the GODOT-1 to begin shipping? I'm thinking that the video board mis-fit fiasco that was supposedly a "very simple fix" was a cover story for the real problem(s). I've got $25 that says the GODOT-1 will not ship before the end of October (*) - any takers? (*) And I mean October 2009. Although, even October 2010 would probably be a safe bet based upon past performance... Sooooooo, who's feeling lucky today? -RW- It's a pre/pro, not a life support system. Take your $25 and go buy yourself a calming pill ;D |
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Post by cgolf on Sept 14, 2009 5:30:23 GMT -5
Did you somewhere where it said the UMC was finalized? One would think so, but there has been a surprising lack of info from the Emotiva crew on the UMC front. Really? I think Emotiva has disclosed a fairly large amount of info on the UMC-1. In fact about 200+ people saw the UMC-1 in operation last weekend at Emofest. We actually watched a part of a movie in a theater and saw the various configuration settings in detail. Emotiva is awaiting the blessing of licensing bodies before they can assemble and ship them. All required parts we are told are in stock at the factory. The XMC-1 will be based on the UMC platform and will share some hardware and software. At least the wait for licensing will not be factor. So the XMC will not be far behind. ;D ;D |
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Post by towen7 on Sept 14, 2009 6:32:33 GMT -5
Rant
Geez...
As usual reality is somewhere between the fan-boy loyalty and the conspiricy theorist paranoia.
Fanboys- Please stop telling us that you saw/heard a UMC at emofest. "Working" units have been in existance for a very loooong time. We saw pictures and screen shots months and months ago. Their existance is NO indication of ANYTHING. Weren't we told a month or so ago that Lonnie was on his way to China to sign off on final production? Yet Emo is still not saying anythong about a release. Please stop telling us how fantastic the prepro will perform untill you have had a chance to compare it to a known quantity in a known environment.
Conspiricy Theorists- Your constant speculation about what we are/are not being told is a compete waste of everyone's time. Either wait for the UMC or buy something else. Is your life so great that delays in getting a $700 preamp is your biggest problem.
/Rant
Come to think of it... This post is.a waste of time as well. Fanboys and Conspiricy Theorist will remain convinced. I just look forward to the day that there is something useful said about the UMC.
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Post by airliner on Sept 14, 2009 6:46:49 GMT -5
Hi, I have a little question for the luky ones who had the possibility to see the UMC working, could you evaluate its upscaling capability? More precisely how do you compare the Torino processor to the ABT on board OPPOs? Tks Marco
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2009 17:41:10 GMT -5
Well, at least Emo *finally* got honest and updated their "Processors" page to reflect the truth of the matter: "This category doesn't have anything in it, but check back soon." It appears all the wishful thinking by the fan-boys for an EmoFest release of the UMC-1 were for naught. Anybody here willing to take a bet that it won't be released this month? The icing on the cake had to be when they found out that the *finally* completed processors wouldn't fit in the shipping boxes. But, never fear, it's really just a simple fix and I'm sure they'll use their newly-patented box stretcher to solve the problem. Seriously though, the one thing that really makes me think we have a 2-3 month wait before they actually begin shipping the product is that there is no downloadable Users Manual available yet. *Surely* the product is truly "finished" and ready for shipping, so why no Users Manual to at least keep us busy while we wait for the GODOT-1 to begin shipping? I'm thinking that the video board mis-fit fiasco that was supposedly a "very simple fix" was a cover story for the real problem(s). I've got $25 that says the GODOT-1 will not ship before the end of October (*) - any takers? (*) And I mean October 2009. Although, even October 2010 would probably be a safe bet based upon past performance... Sooooooo, who's feeling lucky today? -RW- It's a pre/pro, not a life support system. Take your $25 and go buy yourself a calming pill ;D A bunch of Pabst will also work in this situation . . .  |
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Sept 14, 2009 22:56:26 GMT -5
Just think of all the money we've saved because we're waiting for the UMC-1. Thanks EMO for helping us be more responsible. |
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Post by oneliterpeter on Sept 14, 2009 23:00:10 GMT -5
Just think of all the money we've saved because we're waiting for the UMC-1. Thanks EMO for helping us be more responsible. It didn't work for me... I got so tired of waiting I spent $520 on a tube preamp kit. Built that and then today a bought a Dyanco ST-126 tube amp kit.  |
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Post by sergeantynot on Sept 14, 2009 23:13:27 GMT -5
Oh well, another one bites the dust.
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Sept 18, 2009 18:15:31 GMT -5
Just ordered a new camera GF1 so I can relax a little with a new toy and start saving for the imminent release of the UMC-1. I have been waiting to post in the what does your gear look like thread until I have my UMC to go with my XPA-5 so now I have a camera to do the job... Or at least I will when it gets here. I figure you need at least two pieces of EMO gear to post in that thread. |
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Post by ratmice on Sept 20, 2009 9:20:17 GMT -5
Wonder when this thread will disappear to the sandbox?
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Post by TRT on Sept 20, 2009 10:35:05 GMT -5
Perhaps the delay in releasing the UMC-1 and certainly the XMC-1 has a lot to do with the rapidly changing technology. Take a good look at the feature set on the newly announced Integra DHC 80.1 pre-pro. www.gspr.com/integra/ced09.html Frankly, those features render the U and the X antiquated. If Onkyo/Integra's customer service were a notch above sucks, we wouldn't be having this continuing rant about waiting for the next best thing. Hell; The Mark Levinson 35K pre-pro is out of date compared to the new Integra! Pre-pro's and receivers appear to be headed down the same road as home computers. The best one money can buy will be a has been one year later. The new NAD with the card cage technology will certainly go on a few short list based on that theory, but we all saw how well that worked with Integra Research's card cage pre-pro. Their customers got screwed. Clearly, at this rate; All pre-pro's will need to be considered throw-aways just like computers and cell phones. One year....see ya! What's next? |
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Post by littlesaint on Sept 20, 2009 14:51:12 GMT -5
Perhaps the delay in releasing the UMC-1 and certainly the XMC-1 has a lot to do with the rapidly changing technology. Take a good look at the feature set on the newly announced Integra DHC 80.1 pre-pro. www.gspr.com/integra/ced09.html Frankly, those features render the U and the X antiquated. If Onkyo/Integra's customer service were a notch above sucks, we wouldn't be having this continuing rant about waiting for the next best thing. Hell; The Mark Levinson 35K pre-pro is out of date compared to the new Integra! Pre-pro's and receivers appear to be headed down the same road as home computers. The best one money can buy will be a has been one year later. The new NAD with the card cage technology will certainly go on a few short list based on that theory, but we all saw how well that worked with Integra Research's card cage pre-pro. Their customers got screwed. Clearly, at this rate; All pre-pro's will need to be considered throw-aways just like computers and cell phones. One year....see ya! What's next? I don't see anything there I'd want over anything out right now or in the immediate future. Sure there's some new bells and whistles, but nothing essential. Most of the new features, even stuff that has come out in the last couple of years is just marketing features to sel new gear. Functional stuff sure, but not really necessary to have a top-notch HT. |
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Post by kumayama on Sept 20, 2009 15:05:11 GMT -5
Perhaps the delay in releasing the UMC-1 and certainly the XMC-1 has a lot to do with the rapidly changing technology. Take a good look at the feature set on the newly announced Integra DHC 80.1 pre-pro. www.gspr.com/integra/ced09.html Frankly, those features render the U and the X antiquated. If Onkyo/Integra's customer service were a notch above sucks, we wouldn't be having this continuing rant about waiting for the next best thing. Hell; The Mark Levinson 35K pre-pro is out of date compared to the new Integra! Pre-pro's and receivers appear to be headed down the same road as home computers. The best one money can buy will be a has been one year later. The new NAD with the card cage technology will certainly go on a few short list based on that theory, but we all saw how well that worked with Integra Research's card cage pre-pro. Their customers got screwed. Clearly, at this rate; All pre-pro's will need to be considered throw-aways just like computers and cell phones. One year....see ya! What's next? I'm with you on most of this. First, the UMC-1 and XMC-1, as we know of them, are indeed now antiquated by the new Integra's. Yes the UMC has some very nice features, but it really is too limited as a pre pro: less than the best DACs; lack of balanced inputs and full range outputs, no real network integration, no HD or Sirius radio adaptability (yah, yah, not audiophile sources, but they do have a wide range of content and a pre-pro should offer versatility as well as performance); and especially important to me, no Audyssey DSX or Dolby Pro Logic IIz processing. I've been running a 9.3 set up for a couple of years, and I have been really chafing with the thought of having to be reduced to fewer channels with the Emo processors. I very, very much hope that the XMC-1 will at least have Audyssey DSX. Meanwhile, the new Integras satisfy almost all of these desires. Second, your other point is a very good one, that there is such a rapid pace of expansion of processor features, that what is cutting edge today may very well prove lacking as little as a year later. Again, what the UMC would have offered when it was first expected to be released is now rather lacking compared to the latest of Integra units. I remain on both the XMC and UMC lists (I was on the XMC list from the beginning, and added the UMC when the delays seemed to put the XMC considerably farther off), but now, I'm having to seriously consider their performance and value. On one hand, their price is low, but on the other hand, their utility is restricted compared to the new Integras. At one time the Emo units looked to be ahead not only on cost, but also performance and features; this doesn't appear to be true anymore. I'll probably still get one or the other, for I can always use it in an auxiliary HT system, but I'm becoming less and less excited about it by the day. |
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Post by Juice on Sept 20, 2009 15:29:43 GMT -5
Perhaps the delay in releasing the UMC-1 and certainly the XMC-1 has a lot to do with the rapidly changing technology. Take a good look at the feature set on the newly announced Integra DHC 80.1 pre-pro. www.gspr.com/integra/ced09.html Frankly, those features render the U and the X antiquated. If Onkyo/Integra's customer service were a notch above sucks, we wouldn't be having this continuing rant about waiting for the next best thing. Hell; The Mark Levinson 35K pre-pro is out of date compared to the new Integra! Pre-pro's and receivers appear to be headed down the same road as home computers. The best one money can buy will be a has been one year later. The new NAD with the card cage technology will certainly go on a few short list based on that theory, but we all saw how well that worked with Integra Research's card cage pre-pro. Their customers got screwed. Clearly, at this rate; All pre-pro's will need to be considered throw-aways just like computers and cell phones. One year....see ya! What's next? I dont really see anything here that puts the Emotiva's completely out of compettion here. The UMC-1 is really based on a price point, and for its price, it looks like it will offer tons of features. On the XMC-1 side of things, I would like to see some of these features added, even if it means increasing the price, I would be ok with $1500 if it could get things like Audyssey, network capability and a top of the line analog stage. Still though at a $1000 it will offer what most people want, hardly anyone is running 9 channels, very few people want. |
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Post by glock3540 on Sept 20, 2009 15:56:31 GMT -5
I hope, I hope, I hope, the XMC-1 has Dolby PLIIz! I have read that the channels above the main front speakers makes some effects, that come from above (like rain), sound more realistic. I know a 9.1+ system sounds kind of crazy in most situations but in our hobby,
most of our amplifiers,etc. are about overkill already! LOL!
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Post by moe on Sept 20, 2009 17:06:33 GMT -5
Emotiva,please keep in mind that ALL of us do not need 15.9 channels,and a bunch of gimmicks(the new equal to lots of pretty lights and switches).Many of us just want an hdmi prepro to make hook up simple.A few options to tweek,lots of inputs and MOST important,really good sound.The good sound/hdmi connections is my priority,I've had/have Onkyo and Integra and they had crap I never use,and sounded cold and hard.
There will always be an Onkyo etc...with lotsa gimmicks for the kids,me and my friends just want a low cost prepro that sounds great and does the basics right.
We now return you to the "I want a $700 prepro that sounds like a Krell and performs in a $5k range and cost like a Sony thread".
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Post by mdanderson on Sept 20, 2009 17:23:38 GMT -5
Emotiva,please keep in mind that ALL of us do not need 15.9 channels,and a bunch of gimmicks(the new equal to lots of pretty lights and switches).Many of us just want an hdmi prepro to make hook up simple.A few options to tweek,lots of inputs and MOST important,really good sound.The good sound/hdmi connections is my priority,I've had/have Onkyo and Integra and they had crap I never use,and sounded cold and hard. There will always be an Onkyo etc...with lotsa gimmicks for the kids,me and my friends just want a low cost prepro that sounds great and does the basics right. We now return you to the "I want a $700 prepro that sounds like a Krell and performs in a $5k range and cost like a Sony thread". I too just want a prepro with hdmi capability and sounds really nice. I think the UMC-1 will be just the one for that. |
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Post by Juice on Sept 20, 2009 18:10:11 GMT -5
Emotiva,please keep in mind that ALL of us do not need 15.9 channels,and a bunch of gimmicks(the new equal to lots of pretty lights and switches).Many of us just want an hdmi prepro to make hook up simple.A few options to tweek,lots of inputs and MOST important,really good sound.The good sound/hdmi connections is my priority,I've had/have Onkyo and Integra and they had crap I never use,and sounded cold and hard. There will always be an Onkyo etc...with lotsa gimmicks for the kids,me and my friends just want a low cost prepro that sounds great and does the basics right. We now return you to the "I want a $700 prepro that sounds like a Krell and performs in a $5k range and cost like a Sony thread". I want the UMC-1 to be nice and simple, but the XMC-1 should have extra features, make it a true top of line unit, dont hold back on this unit. Most importantly make it sound good, all the cool features on the integra dont make it sound any better then a good quality 5.1 system. |
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Post by jasona on Sept 20, 2009 20:40:08 GMT -5
Big Dan did recently (maybe at Emofest or in one of the webcasts) make reference to another processor that will be above the XMC. Not sure how far along in development that one is, but when they talked about that one long ago, they said it was going to be a top of the line unit, but they weren't going to produce it until they could put some unique features in it.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Sept 21, 2009 10:39:08 GMT -5
Hmmm .... 11.4 please!  A rival to the Yamaha Z11 without the amps and price tag would be right up my street. Then I could get an XPR-7 as the addition to my XPA-5 instead of a 2nd XPA-5. This "super processor" + XPR-7 at less than the cost of a Z11 would be awesome. Something like Trinnov that works with 11.4 would be "unique" I think. ;-) |
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