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Post by cwt on Mar 24, 2020 0:58:03 GMT -5
Have you however considered my proposition of realeasing the needed software to the Raspberry Pi as an downloadable Image so that we who know how to put that on a SD-card can get started quickly without having to wait for the hardware delivery. Especially for us on the other side of the big ocean i.e Europe were a lot of borders now are closed. Would be a win win if feasible ? A number of beta testers [or more ?] to ensure a smooth roll out .. At the least it would help compensate for any cooped up cabin fever being felt in the current circumstances  |
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Post by bluescale on Mar 24, 2020 3:12:06 GMT -5
I've got a Pi sitting here unused on my desk right now. I'd happily grab an image from Emotiva and save them the expense of buying, flashing, and sending me a box and a switch I don't really need. I know it's probably insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but if I can save you a couple of dollars, and me some time, I'm all for it. I'd even understand and accept it if Emotiva refused support for user-built boxes.
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Post by PaulBe on Mar 24, 2020 7:03:35 GMT -5
I'm happy to wait for Emotiva's roll out, in the way they need to do it. Emotiva shouldn't support user built solutions. Nor should they be coerced or cajoled into giving away their intellectual property.
And, people will find ways to complain, anyway this happens. Why make it worse. Now for a story about casting pearls...
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 24, 2020 8:04:13 GMT -5
When it is fully ready for rollout, then there will be an email blast, social media campaign, website announcement, and even carrier pigeons to all customers. Maybe a poll for your next thread title when it is fully ready for rollout? Some possibilities to consider: - "Dirac Live - Success At Last - At Last" - "Dirac Live - Success At Last - This Time We Really Mean It!" - "Dirac Live - Success At Last - We Were Just Kidding Before (or were we?)" - "Dirac Live - Success At Last - Hint Hint, Nudge Nudge, Say No More" I like the carrier pigeon idea. Seems satisfyingly organic. |
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Post by PaulBe on Mar 24, 2020 8:28:45 GMT -5
When it is fully ready for rollout, then there will be an email blast, social media campaign, website announcement, and even carrier pigeons to all customers. Maybe a poll for your next thread title when it is fully ready for rollout? Some possibilities to consider: - "Dirac Live - Success At Last - At Last" - "Dirac Live - Success At Last - This Time We Really Mean It!" - "Dirac Live - Success At Last - We Were Just Kidding Before (or were we?)" - "Dirac Live - Success At Last - Hint Hint, Nudge Nudge, Say No More" I like the carrier pigeon idea. Seems satisfyingly organic. A number of people here prefer to play pigeon chess. Is that 'satisfyingly organic'? |
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Post by idea53 on Mar 24, 2020 8:42:59 GMT -5
I'm happy to wait for Emotiva's roll out, in the way they need to do it. Emotiva shouldn't support user built solutions. Nor should they be coerced or cajoled into giving away their intellectual property. And, people will find ways to complain, anyway this happens. Why make it worse. Now for a story about casting pearls... Glad that you are happy, I'm not since I have been waiting for over a year to get my RMC-1 function as I have paid for. Releasing a SD-card image is not to give away their intellectual property any more than releasing a new firmware and they will anyhow have to make an image accessible since SD-cards tend to fail when you need them most. New firmwares are distributed this way and I guess that nobody expects Emotiva to send out an USB-stick with new firmwares to everybody with every release. I am not saying that this should replace the normal roll-out just be an alternative shortcut for us eager to start playing with Dirac and knowing that this route will have no support until the official kit is distributed. I understand that there will always be people complaining about whatever solution Emotiva chooses - you are a good example of this |
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Post by PaulBe on Mar 24, 2020 9:01:46 GMT -5
I'm happy to wait for Emotiva's roll out, in the way they need to do it. Emotiva shouldn't support user built solutions. Nor should they be coerced or cajoled into giving away their intellectual property. And, people will find ways to complain, anyway this happens. Why make it worse. Now for a story about casting pearls... Glad that you are happy, I'm not since I have been waiting for over a year to get my RMC-1 function as I have paid for. Releasing a SD-card image is not to give away their intellectual property any more than releasing a new firmware and they will anyhow have to make an image accessible since SD-cards tend to fail when you need them most. New firmwares are distributed this way and I guess that nobody expects Emotiva to send out an USB-stick with new firmwares to everybody with every release. I am not saying that this should replace the normal roll-out just be an alternative shortcut for us eager to start playing with Dirac and knowing that this route will have no support until the official kit is distributed. I understand that there will always be people complaining about whatever solution Emotiva chooses - you are a good example of this Ha! |
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Post by Hair Nick on Mar 24, 2020 9:20:07 GMT -5
It isn't just a Pi in use for this. There are other elements as well.
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Post by steelman1991 on Mar 24, 2020 9:27:54 GMT -5
I'm happy to wait for Emotiva's roll out, in the way they need to do it. Emotiva shouldn't support user built solutions. Nor should they be coerced or cajoled into giving away their intellectual property. And, people will find ways to complain, anyway this happens. Why make it worse. Now for a story about casting pearls... Glad that you are happy, I'm not since I have been waiting for over a year to get my RMC-1 function as I have paid for. Releasing a SD-card image is not to give away their intellectual property any more than releasing a new firmware and they will anyhow have to make an image accessible since SD-cards tend to fail when you need them most. New firmwares are distributed this way and I guess that nobody expects Emotiva to send out an USB-stick with new firmwares to everybody with every release. I am not saying that this should replace the normal roll-out just be an alternative shortcut for us eager to start playing with Dirac and knowing that this route will have no support until the official kit is distributed. I understand that there will always be people complaining about whatever solution Emotiva chooses - you are a good example of this You got a processor which shipped with advertised functionality, one of which I would bet wasn’t Dirac at that time. You got what you paid for. Don’t buy on promises. If you wanted a unit with Dirac shipped you should have bought elsewhere. |
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Post by idea53 on Mar 24, 2020 10:24:35 GMT -5
Glad that you are happy, I'm not since I have been waiting for over a year to get my RMC-1 function as I have paid for. Releasing a SD-card image is not to give away their intellectual property any more than releasing a new firmware and they will anyhow have to make an image accessible since SD-cards tend to fail when you need them most. New firmwares are distributed this way and I guess that nobody expects Emotiva to send out an USB-stick with new firmwares to everybody with every release. I am not saying that this should replace the normal roll-out just be an alternative shortcut for us eager to start playing with Dirac and knowing that this route will have no support until the official kit is distributed. I understand that there will always be people complaining about whatever solution Emotiva chooses - you are a good example of this You got a processor which shipped with advertised functionality, one of which I would bet wasn’t Dirac at that time. You got what you paid for. Don’t buy on promises. If you wanted a unit with Dirac shipped you should have bought elsewhere. Stupid remark - I bought a processor with Dirac to be available Q1- 2019! That was not a promise that what was to be delivered! I have not yet got what I paid for. I considered several other options but this was the best option available that was fulfilling my spec. As I know it now no other player on the market has been delivering Dirac Live with 16 ch until the beginning of this year so there has been no other option to switch to and I am satisfied with the RMC-1 in all other aspects except the room correction. Since I am not able to address all 16 channels via HDMI (I have only succeded with 7.1 ch) it is quite difficult to use REW to get a rough fix. |
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Post by steelman1991 on Mar 24, 2020 10:51:40 GMT -5
You got a processor which shipped with advertised functionality, one of which I would bet wasn’t Dirac at that time. You got what you paid for. Don’t buy on promises. If you wanted a unit with Dirac shipped you should have bought elsewhere. Stupid remark - I bought a processor with Dirac to be available Q1- 2019! That was not a promise that what was to be delivered! I have not yet got what I paid for. I considered several other options but this was the best option available that was fulfilling my spec. As I know it now no other player on the market has been delivering Dirac Live with 16 ch until the beginning of this year so there has been no other option to switch to and I am satisfied with the RMC-1 in all other aspects except the room correction. Since I am not able to address all 16 channels via HDMI (I have only succeded with 7.1 ch) it is quite difficult to use REW to get a rough fix. Let’s turn it down a bit buddy. You got what you paid for - as advertised. If I was stupid enough to make such a correct remark, I’m not sure how stupid it makes you look for buying on a promise. But hey keep pushing the “entitled” card. 👍 |
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Post by marcl on Mar 24, 2020 11:02:51 GMT -5
You got a processor which shipped with advertised functionality, one of which I would bet wasn’t Dirac at that time. You got what you paid for. Don’t buy on promises. If you wanted a unit with Dirac shipped you should have bought elsewhere. Stupid remark - I bought a processor with Dirac to be available Q1- 2019! That was not a promise that what was to be delivered! I have not yet got what I paid for. I considered several other options but this was the best option available that was fulfilling my spec. As I know it now no other player on the market has been delivering Dirac Live with 16 ch until the beginning of this year so there has been no other option to switch to and I am satisfied with the RMC-1 in all other aspects except the room correction. Since I am not able to address all 16 channels via HDMI (I have only succeded with 7.1 ch) it is quite difficult to use REW to get a rough fix. There is a way to get to all the channels. I've done it. Assuming you're normally using Preset 1, set up Preset 2 with correct distances and levels for all channels. Write down the values for distance and level for the other channels you want to measure (ATMOS Height, etc.). Measure 7.1 as usual. Then pick a channel like Surround Left .... one at a time move the cables from the other channels you want to measure to Surround Left; change the distance and level values of Surround Left to the values for the channel you're measuring; measure the Surround Left channel and label it in REW. Now you have a measurement for that channel ... continue one at a time until all channels have been measured. Export Filters from your RMC so you have a set of files with the correct filename and internal channel reference name for all channels. Create REW filters for all channels and save them with the correct filename that you got from the export. Then go into each text file and correct the channel label according to the names in the export file. Save all the filter files in a folder named for your main Preset 1, and load them into the RMC. All the channels should end up with the correct filter settings. |
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Post by aswiss on Mar 24, 2020 12:25:30 GMT -5
Pretty sure nobody is disputing the fact peoples safety is first and foremost. I certainly am not asking for anyone to risk anything. I'm asking if emails could be sent. I'm asking if there is a plan? I am asking for some clear communication and let us know if there is a plan. As I said, I am not asking for a date. I don't care if I'm told "we will start building when the last Covid-19 case is cured, whenever that may be." I atleast know there is a plan with that communication. But this cryptic communication is near worthless. It's like George Lucas saying in 1976, "So I wrote something today." But I guess if I'm the only one who wants to know if there is a plan and everyone else is happy with the communication, I'm the one making unreasonable requests so I'll stop asking and sit back and wait for people to tell me what I've missed. We didn't feel it is was necessary to email our large newsletter database for a progress update on Dirac. We posted it on our blog, the lounge, Instagram, and Facebook. When it is fully ready for rollout, then there will be an email blast, social media campaign, website announcement, and even carrier pigeons to all customers. We have an internal date set and we are doing everything we can to try and meet the deadlines we have in place but with everything happening right now, everything is still fluid. I can tell you all that we feel we are currently in the home stretch.
As it will be concrecte one day - I bought my RMC-1 from the official dealer in Germany but I live in switzerland. Will the dealer receive the Dirac Package from Emotiva, to be sent to their customers, or will there be plans with registrations etc. to receive this directly from Emotiva? Thanks
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Post by Lsc on Mar 24, 2020 12:26:51 GMT -5
This is what I did.
I hooked up my ceiling speakers to my Left, Right, Left Surround, Right surround and took REW measurements then loaded these values to my Atmos speakers (top front left etc.).
I probably should redo my REW as I moved my couch but it’s too painful so I’ll leave it alone until Dirac arrives. But REW did improve my system’s sound quality enough to where I can be more patient.
I understand though, cabin fever is probably setting in.
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Post by idea53 on Mar 24, 2020 13:47:28 GMT -5
Stupid remark - I bought a processor with Dirac to be available Q1- 2019! That was not a promise that what was to be delivered! I have not yet got what I paid for. I considered several other options but this was the best option available that was fulfilling my spec. As I know it now no other player on the market has been delivering Dirac Live with 16 ch until the beginning of this year so there has been no other option to switch to and I am satisfied with the RMC-1 in all other aspects except the room correction. Since I am not able to address all 16 channels via HDMI (I have only succeded with 7.1 ch) it is quite difficult to use REW to get a rough fix. Let’s turn it down a bit buddy. You got what you paid for - as advertised. If I was stupid enough to make such a correct remark, I’m not sure how stupid it makes you look for buying on a promise. But hey keep pushing the “entitled” card. 👍 How difficult is it to understand that I did not buy on a promise to have Dirac. I bought the RMC-1 with a Dirac Live License and until that has been delivered I have not got what I paid for. I ordered it in the beginning of januari 2019 and in no way did they "promise" to include Dirac sometime in the future. The spec said Dirac included but before delivery they put up a note that Dirac was to be delivered Q1-2019, not a promise just a statement. |
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Post by idea53 on Mar 24, 2020 13:56:17 GMT -5
Stupid remark - I bought a processor with Dirac to be available Q1- 2019! That was not a promise that what was to be delivered! I have not yet got what I paid for. I considered several other options but this was the best option available that was fulfilling my spec. As I know it now no other player on the market has been delivering Dirac Live with 16 ch until the beginning of this year so there has been no other option to switch to and I am satisfied with the RMC-1 in all other aspects except the room correction. Since I am not able to address all 16 channels via HDMI (I have only succeded with 7.1 ch) it is quite difficult to use REW to get a rough fix. There is a way to get to all the channels. I've done it. Assuming you're normally using Preset 1, set up Preset 2 with correct distances and levels for all channels. Write down the values for distance and level for the other channels you want to measure (ATMOS Height, etc.). Measure 7.1 as usual. Then pick a channel like Surround Left .... one at a time move the cables from the other channels you want to measure to Surround Left; change the distance and level values of Surround Left to the values for the channel you're measuring; measure the Surround Left channel and label it in REW. Now you have a measurement for that channel ... continue one at a time until all channels have been measured. Export Filters from your RMC so you have a set of files with the correct filename and internal channel reference name for all channels. Create REW filters for all channels and save them with the correct filename that you got from the export. Then go into each text file and correct the channel label according to the names in the export file. Save all the filter files in a folder named for your main Preset 1, and load them into the RMC. All the channels should end up with the correct filter settings. Thanks for the tip. I have considered about the same procedure but instead of going via the RMC-1 i figured that I could go straight to each power amplifier channel and let REW create a filter channel by channel that I then could input into the RMC-1. But it is quite time consuming and I have small means to measure the result. Some channels could be checked but most have to be subjectively evaluated. I guess that part of what the "black box" will do is for Dirac to be able to address each channel separately when measuring the transfer functions. |
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Post by idea53 on Mar 24, 2020 14:07:36 GMT -5
It isn't just a Pi in use for this. There are other elements as well. I see, that makes my proposal obsolete. It really sounds like a clever little device you have come up with. But it make me even more curious about how the box is built. Will you release a technical specification or block diagram of its functionality. Just for us "Tech Nerds" who wants to understand how all things work  |
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Post by klinemj on Mar 24, 2020 14:12:15 GMT -5
I guess that part of what the "black box" will do is for Dirac to be able to address each channel separately when measuring the transfer functions. They said the black box has nothing to do with the measurements themselves...it's just something to communicate between your PC DIRAC is running on, DIRAC's server (for license check), and your RMC/XMC. Mark |
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Post by megash0n on Mar 24, 2020 16:00:15 GMT -5
Let’s turn it down a bit buddy. You got what you paid for - as advertised. If I was stupid enough to make such a correct remark, I’m not sure how stupid it makes you look for buying on a promise. But hey keep pushing the “entitled” card. 👍 How difficult is it to understand that I did not buy on a promise to have Dirac. I bought the RMC-1 with a Dirac Live License and until that has been delivered I have not got what I paid for. I ordered it in the beginning of januari 2019 and in no way did they "promise" to include Dirac sometime in the future. The spec said Dirac included but before delivery they put up a note that Dirac was to be delivered Q1-2019, not a promise just a statement. I'm not interested in the drama, but I do want to point out that you did, in fact, buy a promise. If you did not receive a unit with working Dirac, and a license key, then you bought a product that is supposed to come with such.... In the future. Not today... In the future. You paid for it.. You will get it. This, in every way, is a promise. We can all go back and forth with word games... But, do you have Dirac? No. Do you expect to receive it? Yes. Therefore, it is promised to be delivered someday. |
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Post by idea53 on Mar 24, 2020 16:24:01 GMT -5
How difficult is it to understand that I did not buy on a promise to have Dirac. I bought the RMC-1 with a Dirac Live License and until that has been delivered I have not got what I paid for. I ordered it in the beginning of januari 2019 and in no way did they "promise" to include Dirac sometime in the future. The spec said Dirac included but before delivery they put up a note that Dirac was to be delivered Q1-2019, not a promise just a statement. I'm not interested in the drama, but I do want to point out that you did, in fact, buy a promise. If you did not receive a unit with working Dirac, and a license key, then you bought a product that is supposed to come with such.... In the future. Not today... In the future. You paid for it.. You will get it. This, in every way, is a promise. We can all go back and forth with word games... But, do you have Dirac? No. Do you expect to receive it? Yes. Therefore, it is promised to be delivered someday. Yes I know that I am getting into semantics but the crucial point is that I have not got what I paid for until Dirac is functional on my RMC-1. Emotiva is also viewing things that way since they claim that the 30 day return policy is not starting to be valid until Dirac is delivered. The problem for me is that, since I bought the RMC-1 in Sweden, this is not valid here. My dealer will not accept a +1 year old processor to be returned with that return policy. |
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