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Post by Stephen Park on Feb 17, 2021 8:43:20 GMT -5
Question not relate new firmware:
I can play DSD(dsf, dff file) file from PC/OPPO 203 through HDMI input. But it never shows it is “DSD”. So I am not sure whether it is really play native DSD or it just convert DSD to PCM.
Is there any way indicator shows DSD format instead of only bit and bandwith (e.g. 24bit/192Khz)?
And new firmware feature which USB play enabled, can play DSD 64(x1) / DSD 128(x2) or above?
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Post by LCSeminole on Feb 17, 2021 8:53:25 GMT -5
Just to add to Thunderduck's reply, redundancy is a good thing so just remember to only use that USB for your "settings" and "firmware". You want no other files, (this includes older firmware files), in the main folder of your USB stick. Also don't forget that you can also do an "Internal" backup on the RMC-1/RMC-1L/XMC-2 itself, which is faster to "Restore" your configuration settings from. |
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Post by rew452 on Feb 17, 2021 9:07:42 GMT -5
Good point, My flash drive is now dedicated to my EMC-2 only.
Also the brand of Flash drive is Adata which worked, my Enfain both mine and the one supplied by Emotiva are not recognized by EMC-2; all are 16gb. Original drive from Emotiva was a 130mb.
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Post by LCSeminole on Feb 17, 2021 9:25:10 GMT -5
Good point, My flash drive is now dedicated to my XMC-2 only. Also the brand of Flash drive is Adata which worked, my Enfain both mine and the one supplied by Emotiva are not recognized by XMC-2; all are 16gb. Original drive from Emotiva was a 130mb. The one supplied by Emotiva also doesn't work in my RMC-1. I have however successfully used an assortment of USB stick brands up to 32Gb from A-Data, Transcend, PNY, OCZ & SanDisk and all of them have worked after formatting FAT32 in my laptop. |
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Post by geebo on Feb 17, 2021 9:53:41 GMT -5
Question not relate new firmware: I can play DSD(dsf, dff file) file from PC/OPPO 203 through HDMI input. But it never shows it is “DSD”. So I am not sure whether it is really play native DSD or it just convert DSD to PCM. Is there any way indicator shows DSD format instead of only bit and bandwith (e.g. 24bit/192Khz)? And new firmware feature which USB play enabled, can play DSD 64(x1) / DSD 128(x2) or above? How is your Oppo configured to output SACD? |
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Post by KeithL on Feb 17, 2021 10:00:17 GMT -5
When you play a DSD file, in DSD, it should actually say "DSD" on the display. This has been working for a very long time - and I assume it still does.
(Also note that, when playing in DSD, processing options like bass management and room correction are disabled...)
Our processors will NOT convert DSD to PCM if they receive a DSD signal coming in... However the Oppo will cheerfully convert DSD, including DSD files and SACD disc content, to PCM if configured that way.
As I recall there are two places in the Oppo configuration that involve how DSD is played. (It's been a while... but I believe one of them may only matter for SACD discs.... )
As far as I know DoP - which is what you need to play DSD over USB - is still not enabled... (DoP is still on the list of things that need to be got working... ) ("Direct DSD", which is really just another DSD encapsulation format, is not on the list so far, but may be added later.)
Question not relate new firmware: I can play DSD(dsf, dff file) file from PC/OPPO 203 through HDMI input. But it never shows it is “DSD”. So I am not sure whether it is really play native DSD or it just convert DSD to PCM. Is there any way indicator shows DSD format instead of only bit and bandwith (e.g. 24bit/192Khz)? And new firmware feature which USB play enabled, can play DSD 64(x1) / DSD 128(x2) or above? |
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Post by Stephen Park on Feb 17, 2021 10:37:23 GMT -5
Question not relate new firmware: I can play DSD(dsf, dff file) file from PC/OPPO 203 through HDMI input. But it never shows it is “DSD”. So I am not sure whether it is really play native DSD or it just convert DSD to PCM. Is there any way indicator shows DSD format instead of only bit and bandwith (e.g. 24bit/192Khz)? And new firmware feature which USB play enabled, can play DSD 64(x1) / DSD 128(x2) or above? How is your Oppo configured to output SACD? Oh yes, I found that my OPPO SACD play setup is to PCM, not BITSTREM. My mistake. Now my RMC-1 shows it is DSD Direct. Thanks for pointing out. |
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Post by Stephen Park on Feb 17, 2021 10:41:20 GMT -5
When you play a DSD file, in DSD, it should actually say "DSD" on the display. This has been working for a very long time - and I assume it still does.
(Also note that, when playing in DSD, processing options like bass management and room correction are disabled...)
Our processors will NOT convert DSD to PCM if they receive a DSD signal coming in... However the Oppo will cheerfully convert DSD, including DSD files and SACD disc content, to PCM if configured that way.
As I recall there are two places in the Oppo configuration that involve how DSD is played. (It's been a while... but I believe one of them may only matter for SACD discs.... )
As far as I know DoP - which is what you need to play DSD over USB - is still not enabled... (DoP is still on the list of things that need to be got working... ) ("Direct DSD", which is really just another DSD encapsulation format, is not on the list so far, but may be added later.)
Question not relate new firmware: I can play DSD(dsf, dff file) file from PC/OPPO 203 through HDMI input. But it never shows it is “DSD”. So I am not sure whether it is really play native DSD or it just convert DSD to PCM. Is there any way indicator shows DSD format instead of only bit and bandwith (e.g. 24bit/192Khz)? And new firmware feature which USB play enabled, can play DSD 64(x1) / DSD 128(x2) or above? Thanks Keith, My OPPO has been wrong setup. I DID make it "Bitstream" while ago but I can't recall when I set this to "PCM". Probably while I play around with my OPPO... my mistake. But it is good info that DoP is on the list. Probably DoP via Coaxial Digital as well?? |
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Post by KeithL on Feb 17, 2021 10:46:51 GMT -5
I'm not sure whether DoP will extend to Coaxial or not. According to what I've seen so far it seems likely that the "de-encapsulation" will be handled by the XMos processor on the USB interface.
If so that would limit DoP support to the USB input. However I'm not sure about that - and the details could change.
When you play a DSD file, in DSD, it should actually say "DSD" on the display. This has been working for a very long time - and I assume it still does.
(Also note that, when playing in DSD, processing options like bass management and room correction are disabled...)
Our processors will NOT convert DSD to PCM if they receive a DSD signal coming in... However the Oppo will cheerfully convert DSD, including DSD files and SACD disc content, to PCM if configured that way.
As I recall there are two places in the Oppo configuration that involve how DSD is played. (It's been a while... but I believe one of them may only matter for SACD discs.... )
As far as I know DoP - which is what you need to play DSD over USB - is still not enabled... (DoP is still on the list of things that need to be got working... ) ("Direct DSD", which is really just another DSD encapsulation format, is not on the list so far, but may be added later.)
Thanks Keith, My OPPO has been wrong setup. I DID make it "Bitstream" while ago but I can't recall when I set this to "PCM". Probably while I play around with my OPPO... my mistake. But it is good info that DoP is on the list. Probably DoP via Coaxial Digital as well?? |
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Post by ElectricKoolAid on Feb 17, 2021 11:15:11 GMT -5
Hi, I'm new to the Emotiva Lounge - just wanted to add that I have this same issue. I've been meaning to do some testing to determine if the issue is the XMC-2 or my amps or something else. I'm running the XMC-2 to an Outlaw 5000x amp over high quality XLR cables. I previously had an entry level Pioneer receiver VSX-531k I believe so it was an all in one unit and I did not have any hiss from the speakers whatsoever. If you happen to figure out what is causing that I would be interested to hear. Otherwise, I'll do some testing and try to report back with what I find. I have the same exact amp and no hissing here. Thanks for letting me know! I suspected it could be something else. I am wondering if it's some sort of grounding issue or something. Come to think of it I originally had my XMC-2 and the Outlaw 5000x sitting on an entertainment center and I don't think I noticed anything (the hissing is only noticeable if your ear is within a foot of the tweeter). I have since moved all my equipment to a rack and have it plugged in to a TrippLite PDU. It could be that PDU that's introduced the noise. I'll do some testing hopefully this weekend and see if I can figure out what's going on. |
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Post by megash0n on Feb 17, 2021 11:53:50 GMT -5
2.2 is good! Go for it. Best sound ever, and very solid. Glad to see an improvement in the bug fix list as well. |
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Post by marcl on Feb 17, 2021 12:04:31 GMT -5
2.2 is good! Go for it. Best sound ever, and very solid. Glad to see an improvement in the bug fix list as well. Major improvement in how levels are handled with Dirac. They now are much more consistent and after Dirac calibration when I measure levels they are within +/- .5db of each other ... all you can ask for. I think there's something else that has had a significant impact on imaging and soundstage. This speaks to the issues some of us have seen with the image skewed right or left. This is no longer a problem for me. So hopefully others will see an instant improvement too. If you play DTS content, take a look at the couple new DTS configuration choices. How they work is still a little bit of a mystery to me. |
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Post by megash0n on Feb 17, 2021 12:14:32 GMT -5
Glad to see an improvement in the bug fix list as well. Major improvement in how levels are handled with Dirac. They now are much more consistent and after Dirac calibration when I measure levels they are within +/- .5db of each other ... all you can ask for. I think there's something else that has had a significant impact on imaging and soundstage. This speaks to the issues some of us have seen with the image skewed right or left. This is no longer a problem for me. So hopefully others will see an instant improvement too. If you play DTS content, take a look at the couple new DTS configuration choices. How they work is still a little bit of a mystery to me. Awesome. I was actually watching Tenet for the first time a couple nights ago and was quite disappointed in the way it sounded. One key issue was dialogue. Pretty consistent across all Nolan films. I'm looking forward to this possible fix. Hopefully, there is an API command behind it as to not require diving into the menu. I think the imaging issues being resolved, or greatly improved speaks volumes for where the issues were. Glad to see those problems fixed for you guys as well. Seems like I'll be installing new FW and remeasuring Dirac in the near future. I think I have finally decided to yank my 18s from my HT room as well because I barely have enough "sub" for my cubic feet in my bedroom. I'm around 3600 cubic feet and my subs may be "just ok" For around 3400. Plus, my amp does fine until you get below about 30hz, then it has the tendency to clip more often. Which, isnt entirely uncommon with cheaper amps. Anyways, I'm way off topic here I'm realizing. Hurray for new software. |
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Post by steelman1991 on Feb 17, 2021 12:17:30 GMT -5
Major improvement in how levels are handled with Dirac. They now are much more consistent and after Dirac calibration when I measure levels they are within +/- .5db of each other ... all you can ask for. I think there's something else that has had a significant impact on imaging and soundstage. This speaks to the issues some of us have seen with the image skewed right or left. This is no longer a problem for me. So hopefully others will see an instant improvement too. If you play DTS content, take a look at the couple new DTS configuration choices. How they work is still a little bit of a mystery to me. Awesome. I was actually watching Tenet for the first time a couple nights ago and was quite disappointed in the way it sounded. One key issue was dialogue. Pretty consistent across all Nolan films. I'm looking forward to this possible fix. Hopefully, there is an API command behind it as to not require diving into the menu. I think the imaging issues being resolved, or greatly improved speaks volumes for where the issues were. Glad to see those problems fixed for you guys as well. Seems like I'll be installing new FW and remeasuring Dirac in the near future. I think I have finally decided to yank my 18s from my HT room as well because I barely have enough "sub" for my cubic feet in my bedroom. I'm around 3600 cubic feet and my subs may be "just ok" For around 3400. Plus, my amp does fine until you get below about 30hz, then it has the tendency to clip more often. Which, isnt entirely uncommon with cheaper amps. Anyways, I'm way off topic here I'm realizing. Hurray for new software. A complaint from everyone who has watched it - allegedly the dialogue is deliberately obtuse. Unlikely anything other than subtitles will cure that issue 😂 |
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Post by panasonicst60 on Feb 17, 2021 12:41:14 GMT -5
Glad to see an improvement in the bug fix list as well. Major improvement in how levels are handled with Dirac. They now are much more consistent and after Dirac calibration when I measure levels they are within +/- .5db of each other ... all you can ask for. I think there's something else that has had a significant impact on imaging and soundstage. This speaks to the issues some of us have seen with the image skewed right or left. This is no longer a problem for me. So hopefully others will see an instant improvement too. If you play DTS content, take a look at the couple new DTS configuration choices. How they work is still a little bit of a mystery to me. Would I need to re-run Dirac? Or does it automatically fixes the old file? |
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 17, 2021 12:45:38 GMT -5
Awesome. I was actually watching Tenet for the first time a couple nights ago and was quite disappointed in the way it sounded. One key issue was dialogue. Pretty consistent across all Nolan films. I'm looking forward to this possible fix. Hopefully, there is an API command behind it as to not require diving into the menu. I think the imaging issues being resolved, or greatly improved speaks volumes for where the issues were. Glad to see those problems fixed for you guys as well. Seems like I'll be installing new FW and remeasuring Dirac in the near future. I think I have finally decided to yank my 18s from my HT room as well because I barely have enough "sub" for my cubic feet in my bedroom. I'm around 3600 cubic feet and my subs may be "just ok" For around 3400. Plus, my amp does fine until you get below about 30hz, then it has the tendency to clip more often. Which, isnt entirely uncommon with cheaper amps. Anyways, I'm way off topic here I'm realizing. Hurray for new software. A complaint from everyone who has watched it - allegedly the dialogue is deliberately obtuse. Unlikely anything other than subtitles will cure that issue 😂 Exactly...!!! My first viewing of Tenet was done (thankfully) through my AppleTV. One of the few times I've had to use Siri's " What did he say" feature...  |
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Post by megash0n on Feb 17, 2021 14:23:59 GMT -5
Awesome. I was actually watching Tenet for the first time a couple nights ago and was quite disappointed in the way it sounded. One key issue was dialogue. Pretty consistent across all Nolan films. I'm looking forward to this possible fix. Hopefully, there is an API command behind it as to not require diving into the menu. I think the imaging issues being resolved, or greatly improved speaks volumes for where the issues were. Glad to see those problems fixed for you guys as well. Seems like I'll be installing new FW and remeasuring Dirac in the near future. I think I have finally decided to yank my 18s from my HT room as well because I barely have enough "sub" for my cubic feet in my bedroom. I'm around 3600 cubic feet and my subs may be "just ok" For around 3400. Plus, my amp does fine until you get below about 30hz, then it has the tendency to clip more often. Which, isnt entirely uncommon with cheaper amps. Anyways, I'm way off topic here I'm realizing. Hurray for new software. A complaint from everyone who has watched it - allegedly the dialogue is deliberately obtuse. Unlikely anything other than subtitles will cure that issue 😂 It just seems at times that some movies have dialogue that is 1-3dB lower than everything else. While I appreciate an active room, it can't come at the expense of getting lost because the dialogue is competing with the surrounds. Being able to adjust with a trim by 3db would have been pretty cool. Also, who knows is this new FW potentially fixed an undisclosed bug that caused this. We've seen improves in all DTS formats over time when there "was nothing wrong". I plan to watch this movie again soon, so I'll check again after upgrading. |
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Post by megash0n on Feb 17, 2021 14:25:59 GMT -5
A complaint from everyone who has watched it - allegedly the dialogue is deliberately obtuse. Unlikely anything other than subtitles will cure that issue 😂 Exactly...!!! My first viewing of Tenet was done (thankfully) through my AppleTV. One of the few times I've had to use Siri's " What did he say" feature... Hahaha. Good to know it isn't just me. I was searching around for some medication to help pay better attention. The dang movie takes some focus to keep up with in the first place. I'm surprised they allowed the dialogue to be so muddled at times. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 17, 2021 14:33:56 GMT -5
A complaint from everyone who has watched it - allegedly the dialogue is deliberately obtuse. Unlikely anything other than subtitles will cure that issue 😂 It just seems at times that some movies have dialogue that is 1-3dB lower than everything else. While I appreciate an active room, it can't come at the expense of getting lost because the dialogue is competing with the surrounds. Being able to adjust with a trim by 3db would have been pretty cool. Also, who knows is this new FW potentially fixed an undisclosed bug that caused this. We've seen improves in all DTS formats over time when there "was nothing wrong". I plan to watch this movie again soon, so I'll check again after upgrading. I've found dialog to be problematic with many movies, especially the action type and it doesn't matter the manufacturer of the processor. Actors tend to "whisper" their lines when they are just talking. No one talks like this in real life and if they do, you ask them to speak up. Turning up the volume helps some, but then an explosion knocks your pictures off the wall. The only fix I've found for this is manually boosting the center channel 2 to 3 db. You can do this with the Emotiva processors manually. With my previous Pioneer and Denon receivers, I always boosted the center channel for dialog. |
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Post by marcl on Feb 17, 2021 14:39:39 GMT -5
Major improvement in how levels are handled with Dirac. They now are much more consistent and after Dirac calibration when I measure levels they are within +/- .5db of each other ... all you can ask for. I think there's something else that has had a significant impact on imaging and soundstage. This speaks to the issues some of us have seen with the image skewed right or left. This is no longer a problem for me. So hopefully others will see an instant improvement too. If you play DTS content, take a look at the couple new DTS configuration choices. How they work is still a little bit of a mystery to me. Would I need to re-run Dirac? Or does it automatically fixes the old file? I don't think you need to rerun Dirac because Dirac just drives the measurement signals and calculates the filters and downloads them. But who knows if the processor does something right after the download, and whether that might change if you have different firmware running. So I'm not sure, but maybe you might want to import the filters again. |
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