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Post by Lsc on Feb 17, 2021 14:49:24 GMT -5
Would I need to re-run Dirac? Or does it automatically fixes the old file? I don't think you need to rerun Dirac because Dirac just drives the measurement signals and calculates the filters and downloads them. But who knows if the processor does something right after the download, and whether that might change if you have different firmware running. So I'm not sure, but maybe you might want to import the filters again. I’m in favor of rerunning Dirac. Only because I reran Dirac with the latest beta firmware just prior to release and I noticed a jump up in sound quality and imaging. Just use a slot that wasn’t used. Just in case it doesn’t sound as good, you can go back to your last Dirac setting. |
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Post by ttocs on Feb 17, 2021 14:51:48 GMT -5
Would I need to re-run Dirac? Or does it automatically fixes the old file? I don't think you need to rerun Dirac because Dirac just drives the measurement signals and calculates the filters and downloads them. But who knows if the processor does something right after the download, and whether that might change if you have different firmware running. So I'm not sure, but maybe you might want to import the filters again. So Marc, are you thinking that since Dirac "ignores" processor Levels, that whatever may be affected by a particular firmware version is "on top of" all else? So when a new firmware comes along, Dirac doesn't need to be re-run because it will "see" the same processor Levels it saw the first time, correct? Put another way, the base Levels (not bass, base) can be considered to be pre-firmware and unaffected yet, a mechanical component of the processor, so to speak. This seems logical, but it would be nice to be able to confirm this behavior. |
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Post by megash0n on Feb 17, 2021 15:24:49 GMT -5
It just seems at times that some movies have dialogue that is 1-3dB lower than everything else. While I appreciate an active room, it can't come at the expense of getting lost because the dialogue is competing with the surrounds. Being able to adjust with a trim by 3db would have been pretty cool. Also, who knows is this new FW potentially fixed an undisclosed bug that caused this. We've seen improves in all DTS formats over time when there "was nothing wrong". I plan to watch this movie again soon, so I'll check again after upgrading. I've found dialog to be problematic with many movies, especially the action type and it doesn't matter the manufacturer of the processor. Actors tend to "whisper" their lines when they are just talking. No one talks like this in real life and if they do, you ask them to speak up. Turning up the volume helps some, but then an explosion knocks your pictures off the wall. The only fix I've found for this is manually boosting the center channel 2 to 3 db. You can do this with the Emotiva processors manually. With my previous Pioneer and Denon receivers, I always boosted the center channel for dialog. center channel isn't a bad idea, and I've done that a time or two. What would be nice is either: 1. A discrete sub-channel for actual dialogue that could be overlaid and adjusted as needed. Of course, that's a huge rabbit-hole of remastering, implementation, etc etc. Then, you have the "directors intent" argument. Which, I care very little for, but some do. 2. A "notch filter" to blindly raise a range of frequencies up around the "voice" range. This would be like your treble and bass trims. An override of sorts. |
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Post by megash0n on Feb 17, 2021 15:27:30 GMT -5
I don't think you need to rerun Dirac because Dirac just drives the measurement signals and calculates the filters and downloads them. But who knows if the processor does something right after the download, and whether that might change if you have different firmware running. So I'm not sure, but maybe you might want to import the filters again. I’m in favor of rerunning Dirac. Only because I reran Dirac with the latest beta firmware just prior to release and I noticed a jump up in sound quality and imaging. Just use a slot that wasn’t used. Just in case it doesn’t sound as good, you can go back to your last Dirac setting. I am too. But, it's because I don't honestly trust that either party has it correct yet. And, I've noticed a big difference in remeasuring after one of Dirac's subwoofer fixes. When all the dust settles, and everyone agrees the G3P and Dirac function correctly, I'll run a full set of good measurements. At this point I just use the thing like I would my $200 Denon AVR that is sitting on the shelf. |
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Post by megash0n on Feb 17, 2021 15:31:22 GMT -5
I don't think you need to rerun Dirac because Dirac just drives the measurement signals and calculates the filters and downloads them. But who knows if the processor does something right after the download, and whether that might change if you have different firmware running. So I'm not sure, but maybe you might want to import the filters again. So Marc, are you thinking that since Dirac "ignores" processor Levels, that whatever may be affected by a particular firmware version is "on top of" all else? So when a new firmware comes along, Dirac doesn't need to be re-run because it will "see" the same processor Levels it saw the first time, correct? Put another way, the base Levels (not bass, base) can be considered to be pre-firmware and unaffected yet, a mechanical component of the processor, so to speak. This seems logical, but it would be nice to be able to confirm this behavior. Given the FW has code that "tells the hardware what to do", and given the historical evidence of properly functioning hardware/software in their units, it would be hard to do anything but want to redo it all with each, stable release. The challenge with this concept though is that we really don't know which pieces of code have been fixed or modified. Was regression testing done, etc. So, it is a crap shoot on whether a new fw is actually better or worse or the same. All you know is that it " Might fix a specific issue". |
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Post by zdoggz on Feb 17, 2021 15:37:02 GMT -5
This is the first time I had to update the firmware since mine was shipped with v2.1. I was able to use the usb drive that came with the rmc1 and I had no issues. It installed it without a hitch. I have not even used Dirac yet since my room is still getting set up, but it does seem like the bass and separation seems to be more distinct. I wish I wouldn’t have read that the sound improved because I wonder if I would have the same impressions, but I’m still happy nonetheless! The only quirk I have had, and still do, is that I always need to unplug my usb cable (in the back) and re-insert it anytime I want to stream hi res music from Amazon or whatever. If I unplug from my phone and back in, I won’t get any sound until I unplug it from the rmc and plug it back in. I may try other cables but was wondering if others have to do this as well.
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 17, 2021 15:37:13 GMT -5
I’m in favor of rerunning Dirac. Only because I reran Dirac with the latest beta firmware just prior to release and I noticed a jump up in sound quality and imaging. Just use a slot that wasn’t used. Just in case it doesn’t sound as good, you can go back to your last Dirac setting. I am too. But, it's because I don't honestly trust that either party has it correct yet. And, I've noticed a big difference in remeasuring after one of Dirac's subwoofer fixes. When all the dust settles, and everyone agrees the G3P and Dirac function correctly, I'll run a full set of good measurements. At this point I just use the thing like I would my $200 Denon AVR that is sitting on the shelf. I'll rerun it this weekend not because I don't trust the parties, but it's been awhile since I've had a quiet house and I believe the weekend weather will be nice which means I may be left alone for a couple hours. As to the older version of Dirac that I have and the new firmware....it sounds really good to me. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Feb 17, 2021 16:04:34 GMT -5
I am too. But, it's because I don't honestly trust that either party has it correct yet. And, I've noticed a big difference in remeasuring after one of Dirac's subwoofer fixes. When all the dust settles, and everyone agrees the G3P and Dirac function correctly, I'll run a full set of good measurements. At this point I just use the thing like I would my $200 Denon AVR that is sitting on the shelf. I'll rerun it this weekend not because I don't trust the parties, but it's been awhile since I've had a quiet house and I believe the weekend weather will be nice which means I may be left alone for a couple hours. As to the older version of Dirac that I have and the new firmware....it sounds really good to me. What is the latest version fo Dirac which is playing nice with the gen 3 processor's? |
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Post by markc on Feb 17, 2021 16:10:01 GMT -5
Question not relate new firmware: I can play DSD(dsf, dff file) file from PC/OPPO 203 through HDMI input. But it never shows it is “DSD”. So I am not sure whether it is really play native DSD or it just convert DSD to PCM. Is there any way indicator shows DSD format instead of only bit and bandwith (e.g. 24bit/192Khz)? And new firmware feature which USB play enabled, can play DSD 64(x1) / DSD 128(x2) or above? Also, see the previous DSD thread last week. A PC cannot send DSD (Stereo or multichannel) over HDMI to an Emotiva, so PCM conversion (preferably 24 bit 176.4 kHz) is the way to go. The OPPO can send DSD Direct to the Emotiva (XMC-1 and G3P) over HDMI - you need to configure it in the Oppo menu - "Send DSD as... PCM / DSD bitstream" or similar I thought that Stereo (but not multichannel) DSD can be sent from a PC over USB to the G3P but not the XMC-1 (I have not tried though) |
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Post by panasonicst60 on Feb 17, 2021 16:16:42 GMT -5
I'll rerun it this weekend not because I don't trust the parties, but it's been awhile since I've had a quiet house and I believe the weekend weather will be nice which means I may be left alone for a couple hours. As to the older version of Dirac that I have and the new firmware....it sounds really good to me. What is the latest version fo Dirac which is playing nice with the gen 3 processor's? That is a good question. With 3.0.13 on firmware 2.1, I was having a hard time uploading the cal files to the processor without it crashing or it would confirm that it was uploaded correctly, but it wasn't. 3.0.11 worked perfectly. Has anyone tested 3.0.13 on the new 2.2 firmware?? |
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Post by panasonicst60 on Feb 17, 2021 16:18:38 GMT -5
Keith can you confirm to us if we need to rerun Dirac with the new firmware 2.2? Any changes expected with Dirac on the new firmware? Some are stating some changes in center imaging. My center imaging has always been locked center, no issues on that on older firmware.
If anything, I would assume as reupload would do it.
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 17, 2021 16:19:56 GMT -5
I'll rerun it this weekend not because I don't trust the parties, but it's been awhile since I've had a quiet house and I believe the weekend weather will be nice which means I may be left alone for a couple hours. As to the older version of Dirac that I have and the new firmware....it sounds really good to me. What is the latest version fo Dirac which is playing nice with the gen 3 processor's? I believe someone has run 3.0.13 successfully....but I will let them respond. |
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Post by megash0n on Feb 17, 2021 16:39:24 GMT -5
I am too. But, it's because I don't honestly trust that either party has it correct yet. And, I've noticed a big difference in remeasuring after one of Dirac's subwoofer fixes. When all the dust settles, and everyone agrees the G3P and Dirac function correctly, I'll run a full set of good measurements. At this point I just use the thing like I would my $200 Denon AVR that is sitting on the shelf. I'll rerun it this weekend not because I don't trust the parties, but it's been awhile since I've had a quiet house and I believe the weekend weather will be nice which means I may be left alone for a couple hours. As to the older version of Dirac that I have and the new firmware....it sounds really good to me. I apologize. I didn't mean to imply that it sounds like my $200 Denon. The Denon is warmer. 😂😂😂 Ok, jokes aside. What I meant was that I don't trust a thing about it, so... Until it is rock solid, it is of little value over the $200 Denon. I have little expectation from either. That being said, yes... At times the GP3 sounds good. There are other times when it does something that I don't like which causes significant doubt. Do I need to reboot? Do I need to switch presets back and forth? Is there some memory leak, etc etc. I've stopped expecting it to be any more awesome than any other piece of equipment I have. It's just potential in a really expensive, pretty case. It's like dating a girl for a couple of weeks and everything is the most incredible thing you've ever experienced. And then, you look inside this person and realize they are an absolute train wreck. You can have a ton of fun with her in a day, maybe even a weekend, but much more than that and she literally drives you insane. We'll call her Tiffany. She has Red hair, and also happens to cut hair. (For those that get this joke😂😂😂) #hotgirlmatrix |
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 17, 2021 16:49:51 GMT -5
I'll rerun it this weekend not because I don't trust the parties, but it's been awhile since I've had a quiet house and I believe the weekend weather will be nice which means I may be left alone for a couple hours. As to the older version of Dirac that I have and the new firmware....it sounds really good to me. I apologize. I didn't mean to imply that it sounds like my $200 Denon. The Denon is warmer. 😂😂😂 Ok, jokes aside. What I meant was that I don't trust a thing about it, so... Until it is rock solid, it is of little value over the $200 Denon. I have little expectation from either. That being said, yes... At times the GP3 sounds good. There are other times when it does something that I don't like which causes significant doubt. Do I need to reboot? Do I need to switch presets back and forth? Is there some memory leak, etc etc. I've stopped expecting it to be any more awesome than any other piece of equipment I have. It's just potential in a really expensive, pretty case. It's like dating a girl for a couple of weeks and everything is the most incredible thing you've ever experienced. And then, you look inside this person and realize they are an absolute train wreck. You can have a ton of fun with her in a day, maybe even a weekend, but much more than that and she literally drives you insane. We'll call her Tiffany. She has Red hair, and also happens to cut hair. (For those that get this joke😂😂😂) #hotgirlmatrix Well, all I can say is this new firmware seems rock solid to me and you won't know if it works for you unless you try. Dirac and my XMC-2 is way better than my previous Pioneer Elite and Denon receivers in terms of SQ. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Feb 17, 2021 16:53:42 GMT -5
I apologize. I didn't mean to imply that it sounds like my $200 Denon. The Denon is warmer. 😂😂😂 Ok, jokes aside. What I meant was that I don't trust a thing about it, so... Until it is rock solid, it is of little value over the $200 Denon. I have little expectation from either. That being said, yes... At times the GP3 sounds good. There are other times when it does something that I don't like which causes significant doubt. Do I need to reboot? Do I need to switch presets back and forth? Is there some memory leak, etc etc. I've stopped expecting it to be any more awesome than any other piece of equipment I have. It's just potential in a really expensive, pretty case. It's like dating a girl for a couple of weeks and everything is the most incredible thing you've ever experienced. And then, you look inside this person and realize they are an absolute train wreck. You can have a ton of fun with her in a day, maybe even a weekend, but much more than that and she literally drives you insane. We'll call her Tiffany. She has Red hair, and also happens to cut hair. (For those that get this joke😂😂😂) #hotgirlmatrix Well, all I can say is this new firmware seems rock solid to me and you won't know if it works for you unless you try. Dirac and my XMC-2 is way better than my previous Pioneer Elite and Denon receivers in terms of SQ. Not sure if the new firmware improved SQ or not but it sure sounds damn fine.😎 |
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Post by marcl on Feb 17, 2021 17:28:44 GMT -5
I don't think you need to rerun Dirac because Dirac just drives the measurement signals and calculates the filters and downloads them. But who knows if the processor does something right after the download, and whether that might change if you have different firmware running. So I'm not sure, but maybe you might want to import the filters again. So Marc, are you thinking that since Dirac "ignores" processor Levels, that whatever may be affected by a particular firmware version is "on top of" all else? So when a new firmware comes along, Dirac doesn't need to be re-run because it will "see" the same processor Levels it saw the first time, correct? Put another way, the base Levels (not bass, base) can be considered to be pre-firmware and unaffected yet, a mechanical component of the processor, so to speak. This seems logical, but it would be nice to be able to confirm this behavior. Good question. I really shouldn't speculate. I at least reload from Dirac. But then I find a reason to tweak and rerun Dirac about every other week  |
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Post by megash0n on Feb 17, 2021 17:34:40 GMT -5
I apologize. I didn't mean to imply that it sounds like my $200 Denon. The Denon is warmer. 😂😂😂 Ok, jokes aside. What I meant was that I don't trust a thing about it, so... Until it is rock solid, it is of little value over the $200 Denon. I have little expectation from either. That being said, yes... At times the GP3 sounds good. There are other times when it does something that I don't like which causes significant doubt. Do I need to reboot? Do I need to switch presets back and forth? Is there some memory leak, etc etc. I've stopped expecting it to be any more awesome than any other piece of equipment I have. It's just potential in a really expensive, pretty case. It's like dating a girl for a couple of weeks and everything is the most incredible thing you've ever experienced. And then, you look inside this person and realize they are an absolute train wreck. You can have a ton of fun with her in a day, maybe even a weekend, but much more than that and she literally drives you insane. We'll call her Tiffany. She has Red hair, and also happens to cut hair. (For those that get this joke😂😂😂) #hotgirlmatrix Well, all I can say is this new firmware seems rock solid to me and you won't know if it works for you unless you try. Dirac and my XMC-2 is way better than my previous Pioneer Elite and Denon receivers in terms of SQ. I'm sure it is a nice improvement. I would have already installed had I not been out of the house when I learned there was a new release. I won't be able to mess with Dirac for a number of days due to more pressing #prioritzeandexecute items. Lastly, I'm not at all trying to compare SQ. To do that, we'd have to define "quality". And, while we are at it, we'd have to define "value". The noise the G3P makes is pretty and elegant most of the time. For me, quality would mean that the hardware and software are working correctly to produce that "pretty sound" a hundred percent of the time, and do so correctly. Value would be based on what I paid for the quality vs my level of trust/faith that quality actually exists. Therefore, while I understand and agree the the noise it makes is a better noise to most than my $200 Denon, I don't perceive the value as the same. The G3P is actually of considerably less value because I do not have many expectations for $200. Anyways, not at all a debate. Just wanted to make sure you don't think I am suggesting the sound itself is that bad. ☺ |
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Post by megash0n on Feb 17, 2021 17:36:15 GMT -5
So Marc, are you thinking that since Dirac "ignores" processor Levels, that whatever may be affected by a particular firmware version is "on top of" all else? So when a new firmware comes along, Dirac doesn't need to be re-run because it will "see" the same processor Levels it saw the first time, correct? Put another way, the base Levels (not bass, base) can be considered to be pre-firmware and unaffected yet, a mechanical component of the processor, so to speak. This seems logical, but it would be nice to be able to confirm this behavior. Good question. I really shouldn't speculate. I at least reload from Dirac. But then I find a reason to tweak and rerun Dirac about every other week You do deserve the award for "Most Likely To Run a Dirac Calibration". 😂😂😂 We are all thankful you do though. ☺ |
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Post by richter250 on Feb 17, 2021 17:42:37 GMT -5
What is the latest version fo Dirac which is playing nice with the gen 3 processor's? I believe someone has run 3.0.13 successfully....but I will let them respond. 3.0.13 Dirac still very shaky for me. I have run 3.0.9(latest Mac version) with the new firmware with no difficulties. 3.0.13 still crashes frequently when sending the filters to the processor. |
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Post by panasonicst60 on Feb 17, 2021 17:49:41 GMT -5
I believe someone has run 3.0.13 successfully....but I will let them respond. 3.0.13 Dirac still very shaky for me. I have run 3.0.9(latest Mac version) with the new firmware with no difficulties. 3.0.13 still crashes frequently when sending the filters to the processor. Guess I'll stick to 3.0.11 which works perfectly for me. |
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