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Post by panasonicst60 on Feb 17, 2021 18:07:18 GMT -5
If there was any sound improvement with Dirac I would think Emotiva would have mentioned it in the change log. I have yet to reload or rerun Dirac and it sounds damn good now and before. Are people getting the placebo effect?  |
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 17, 2021 18:26:31 GMT -5
If there was any sound improvement with Dirac I would think Emotiva would have mentioned it in the change log. I have yet to reload or rerun Dirac and it sounds damn good now and before. Are people getting the placebo effect? I’m not the only one who has said they thought SQ us improved. You will need to make your own determination. |
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Post by alexreusch on Feb 17, 2021 19:36:51 GMT -5
So far, 2.2 is running stable for me. I had some issues with audio distortion when switching TV channels under 2.1, which now seems to be solved.
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Post by benbvan on Feb 17, 2021 20:01:46 GMT -5
Where can I find the new 2.2 Thread?
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 17, 2021 20:17:42 GMT -5
Where can I find the new 2.2 Thread? If you’re referring to the firmware download page, you’ll find that HERE. If you’re referring to the “discussion” page, you’re in it... |
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Post by badfusion on Feb 17, 2021 20:18:40 GMT -5
Sorry but where are emotiva feature of dtsX pro and dirac BM  dts direct or not for neural X is that the major new option seriously |
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Post by benbvan on Feb 17, 2021 20:19:09 GMT -5
Where can I find the new 2.2 Thread? If you’re referring to the firmware download page, you’ll find that HERE. If you’re referring to the “discussion” page, you’re in it... Yes the update lol. Thank you |
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 17, 2021 20:36:00 GMT -5
Sorry but where are emotiva feature of dtsX pro and dirac BM dts direct or not for neural X is that the major new option seriously You must have missed this last week... “ The new version will include a lot of small fixes to address "video not locking" issues...
It also addresses issues with high-sample-rate audio via USB...
And Fletcher-Munson loudness compensation is back...
As far as I know there are no new Earth-shattering features added...“ |
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Post by badfusion on Feb 17, 2021 21:13:59 GMT -5
Sorry but where are emotiva feature of dtsX pro and dirac BM dts direct or not for neural X is that the major new option seriously You must have missed this last week... “ The new version will include a lot of small fixes to address "video not locking" issues...
It also addresses issues with high-sample-rate audio via USB...
And Fletcher-Munson loudness compensation is back...
As far as I know there are no new Earth-shattering features added...“ apologize is missed ...
i hope it's take not 2 years now for the major update options ....
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 17, 2021 22:27:09 GMT -5
You must have missed this last week... “ The new version will include a lot of small fixes to address "video not locking" issues...
It also addresses issues with high-sample-rate audio via USB...
And Fletcher-Munson loudness compensation is back...
As far as I know there are no new Earth-shattering features added...“ apologize is missed ... i hope it's take not 2 years now for the major update options .... It’s already well known that Dirac Live Bass Control will take some time as Emotiva is own their own writing the code. But on the bright side, the folks over on AVS Forum have uncovered a bug that negatively effects DLBC. So, at the moment, you’re not missing much. As for DTS:X Pro, unless you’re running greater than an 11.1 speaker layout, “Pro” won’t bring much to the table that the standard DTS:X decoder or Neural:X upmixer already hasn’t. I do, however, agree that it only makes sense that every “16 channel” processor should (and likely will) migrate to Pro. But with the exception of Marantz, none of Emotiva’s direct competitors have as of yet implemented DTS:X Pro. So, Emotiva’s not exactly “behind” the competition. |
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Post by Lsc on Feb 17, 2021 22:39:23 GMT -5
3.0.13 Dirac still very shaky for me. I have run 3.0.9(latest Mac version) with the new firmware with no difficulties. 3.0.13 still crashes frequently when sending the filters to the processor. Guess I'll stick to 3.0.11 which works perfectly for me. I ran 3.0.13 and it loaded fine but I only did one upload. |
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Post by Lsc on Feb 17, 2021 22:44:38 GMT -5
If there was any sound improvement with Dirac I would think Emotiva would have mentioned it in the change log. I have yet to reload or rerun Dirac and it sounds damn good now and before. Are people getting the placebo effect? I’m not the only one who has said they thought SQ us improved. You will need to make your own determination. I said it several times too. I did some extensive critical listening with my buddy prior to the firmware update when we were comparing the XMC2 to the BAT VK33se. So after I did the firmware update and reran Dirac (so it could be a combination) I noticed the improvements bc I felt like the XMC2 inched a little closer to the BAT preamp. It could be all in my head but even so, the result is that the XMC2 sounds excellent. |
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Post by multicore on Feb 17, 2021 23:05:26 GMT -5
In the 2.2 release notes, Keith states the following:
- DTS Direct feature has been added (under Setup | Preferences | DTS Direct; Enable / Disable).
(The DTS Direct feature controls how the DTX Neural Upmixer works with certain types of content... and whether audio is upmixed to height speakers or not.)
But which setting (Enable or Disable) turns on or off what features?
Second, DTS Dialog Control comes under the Preferences menu while Dolby Loudness Management comes under Main Zone. This seems to be inconsistent.
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Post by benbvan on Feb 17, 2021 23:24:15 GMT -5
Well the Loudness seems to do more than loudness. It has changed the way the dialog sounds and adds to surround levels also more than the fronts. I here more of a center spread across the front stage.
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Post by megash0n on Feb 17, 2021 23:38:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure if it is the typical issue where the G3P seems to be louder after a reboot or not, but I'm a good 6dB louder now. The pitch seems off.
Edit: I've removed my rant as it really doesn't matter because it won't change a thing other than cause me to be more frustrated at the response. Y'all have a great Thursday. ☺
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Post by marcl on Feb 18, 2021 1:47:51 GMT -5
Well the Loudness seems to do more than loudness. It has changed the way the dialog sounds and adds to surround levels also more than the fronts. I here more of a center spread across the front stage. I did some methodical testing of the Loudness and I'd say that for stereo content it behaves as we would expect a Loudness option to behave, when used as it should be for very low level listening. When used with multichannel content including upmixed from stereo, I believe it goes way overboard especially in the bass. I measured huge bass boost even at -30 and -40db volume levels. And it has an overall effect on volume and high frequencies. I suggest either not using it for anything but stereo, or be very careful with volume over -30. One of the problems with trying to implement Loudness (maybe endemic to these processors) is that I have heard many people refer to their normal listening levels as anywhere from -30 to -8 ... so how do you program the Fletcher-Munsen curves to kick in gradually when so many listen at such varied reference positions on the volume control. |
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Post by benbvan on Feb 18, 2021 2:16:40 GMT -5
Well the Loudness seems to do more than loudness. It has changed the way the dialog sounds and adds to surround levels also more than the fronts. I here more of a center spread across the front stage. I did some methodical testing of the Loudness and I'd say that for stereo content it behaves as we would expect a Loudness option to behave, when used as it should be for very low level listening. When used with multichannel content including upmixed from stereo, I believe it goes way overboard especially in the bass. I measured huge bass boost even at -30 and -40db volume levels. And it has an overall effect on volume and high frequencies. I suggest either not using it for anything but stereo, or be very careful with volume over -30. One of the problems with trying to implement Loudness (maybe endemic to these processors) is that I have heard many people refer to their normal listening levels as anywhere from -30 to -8 ... so how do you program the Fletcher-Munsen curves to kick in gradually when so many listen at such varied reference positions on the volume control. Yeah, good point. Maybe a gradual taper off up to a certain gain level, which would work because you only need loudness at lower volumes. I didn't try it in stereo yet, only thru Dolby content. |
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Post by marcl on Feb 18, 2021 2:22:19 GMT -5
I did some methodical testing of the Loudness and I'd say that for stereo content it behaves as we would expect a Loudness option to behave, when used as it should be for very low level listening. When used with multichannel content including upmixed from stereo, I believe it goes way overboard especially in the bass. I measured huge bass boost even at -30 and -40db volume levels. And it has an overall effect on volume and high frequencies. I suggest either not using it for anything but stereo, or be very careful with volume over -30. One of the problems with trying to implement Loudness (maybe endemic to these processors) is that I have heard many people refer to their normal listening levels as anywhere from -30 to -8 ... so how do you program the Fletcher-Munsen curves to kick in gradually when so many listen at such varied reference positions on the volume control. Yeah, good point. Maybe a gradual taper off up to a certain gain level, which would work because you only need loudness at lower volumes. I didn't try it in stereo yet, only thru Dolby content. Yes that was the intent, and they tried ... the problem is that one person hears 85db reference level with the volume at -10 and another hears it with volume at -20. So if they use the volume control as a reference it would be tough to make it work. I know that during development they did drop the reference level quite a bit. But yes, listen to stereo at a quiet listening level with Loudness on/off. Then switch to the Dolby or DTS upmixer at the same low volume level with the same source. Then try it with Dolby or Atmos surround. See if the effect changes dramatically. |
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Post by jasonf on Feb 18, 2021 3:23:21 GMT -5
Awesome. I was actually watching Tenet for the first time a couple nights ago and was quite disappointed in the way it sounded. One key issue was dialogue. ... A complaint from everyone who has watched it - allegedly the dialogue is deliberately obtuse. Unlikely anything other than subtitles will cure that issue 😂 Yeah, I watched Tenet the first time in 2.0 before the rest of my system showed up and subtitles were the only way to make it through that movie. It's somewhat intelligible now that I've added the RMC-1L and a center channel but... yeah, that movie seems to be deliberately mixed to sound muted on home theaters. --- Quick anecdote on my 2.2 update experience. I tried two different USB sticks, and one of them didn't work at all. * Lexar 32GB USB 2.0 stick, formatted as "MS-DOS (FAT)" in macOS Disk Utility: Not recognized by RMC-1L * Sandisk 64GB USB 3.0 stick, formatted as "MS-DOT (FAT)" in macOS Disk Utility: Recognized by RMC-1L I also have to say, I'm very happy to see forward motion in software updates with this 2.2 release. Emotiva, I hope you keep the software updates rolling! --- Finally, despite my CEC issues, I have decided to decided to keep the RMC-1L. The value just can't be matched by anything out there right this moment. Marantz 8805 - Inferior SQ, silly tiny "port" interface, lacking triggers (an ongoing issue with Marantz), unclear if the DACs operate in mono mode. McIntosh MX100 - No balanced DACs (as far as I can tell, because McIntosh never shares details), terrible old-school LCD panel, McIntosh never sharing details just because. -- Props to the Mac supporting eARC though. So, Emotiva it is... but looking forward to more firmware updates, and crossing fingers for an eARC upgrade in the future. I don't even care about 8K - I just want eARC so that I can run sources through my TV and get the benefit of it's per-input settings. |
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Post by jasonf on Feb 18, 2021 4:03:14 GMT -5
2.2 update complete.
1. Unexpected, but as others have noted... 2.2 seems to sound better?! It seems like the default gain is higher, mid-bass is more punchy, and the stage is more velvet-y overall. The sound is making my ears tingle and my skin crawl like I don't remember at all. Emo what did you dooooo?
2. UUUUUGGGGGH, alas there is a tradeoff. CEC has gotten even worse. With "CEC Input" enabled the "Menu" button on my AppleTV causes the processor to change inputs... back to the same input. Result is audio stopping and video blinking out for several seconds. CEC Volume is still broken. I feel a bit like I bought a Ferrari 360 Modena. It looks and sounds incredible, but the glove box falls open every time you take a hard left.
Emo, do you need a CEC tester? I volunteer. PS, I'm also a software developer. Let's get this fixed!
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