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Post by panasonicst60 on Feb 19, 2021 0:20:49 GMT -5
After using 2.2 for about a day. Still buggy. Some things improved, some made worst. Far from perfect. I did not remeasure but I did re upload Dirac file and it sounds very good as before. Took some Rew measurements and frequency response was very similar. Sound levels were a tad off as before. I cut 1db from front three speakers as before. Scrolling through input and menu is still slow, about the same, give or take as before. At this point, I have no faith in Emotiva fixing the laggy menu and input scrolling. Probably a hardware issue. It is what it is. To sum it up, it's a good budget processor with bugs, but sounds awesome.
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Post by adam631 on Feb 19, 2021 0:24:05 GMT -5
Found a bug in 2.2 and it's repeatable. When playing multi channel dsd either on disc or usb and in my oppo dsd is set to pcm, and you choose either dolby surround upmixer, or neural x i get no sound. When choosing the neural x, most of the time i will get heavy static on top of the music or no sound, where if i choose the dolby upmixer it's only no sound or sometimes i get sound.. I'm also using Dirac live. The only way to get it back to playing normal is to stop the disc, and choose a different mode because all of the other modes get no sound. 2.0 dsd i have no issues with any of the surround modes, only the multichannel. Also is happening with high res multi channel dvd audio disc, although the dolby upmixer sometimes works, the neural x doesn't. So something with any hi res multi channel music is causing it. I didn't have this issue with 2.1. Can you guys please check if you can replicate? Thanks! Unfortunately I don’t have the Oppo. But I’ll see if my Sony Blu-ray player can output PCM. I have always seen it default to DSD so I had no issues other than the loud pops. Thanks, just make sure to try a multi channel dsd or multi channel dvd audio with neural x. It happens with dsd multi channel on usb stick also. I will let Damon know. |
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Post by marcl on Feb 19, 2021 1:57:00 GMT -5
Unfortunately I don’t have the Oppo. But I’ll see if my Sony Blu-ray player can output PCM. I have always seen it default to DSD so I had no issues other than the loud pops. Thanks, just make sure to try a multi channel dsd or multi channel dvd audio with neural x. It happens with dsd multi channel on usb stick also. I will let Damon know. It's a known and reported issue that neither upmixer will work with PCM content that is higher sample rate than 48KHz. So DSD that's been converted to PCM or multichannel FLAC files ... anything that is 88KHz or 96KHz or higher... the upmixers do nothing. I've confirmed this with the OPPO 205, though I have never had the other symptoms that you report. I play a lot of multichannel music from JRiver Media Center that is FLAC or DSD. If I use the DSP Studio to encode the output as Dolby Digital (which downsamples to 48KHz) then the upmixers work. Another quirk that may be related, I tried to disable my center channel speaker for multichannel music assuming that the center content would be downmixed to the L/R. Once again - for sample rates greater than 48KHz - this doesn't work. Even with center=NONE in the Size setup, for sample rates greater than 48KHz the processor still plays the content through the center speaker. This issue has been confirmed also. |
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Post by megash0n on Feb 19, 2021 5:32:25 GMT -5
Thanks, just make sure to try a multi channel dsd or multi channel dvd audio with neural x. It happens with dsd multi channel on usb stick also. I will let Damon know. It's a known and reported issue that neither upmixer will work with PCM content that is higher sample rate than 48KHz. So DSD that's been converted to PCM or multichannel FLAC files ... anything that is 88KHz or 96KHz or higher... the upmixers do nothing. I've confirmed this with the OPPO 205, though I have never had the other symptoms that you report. I play a lot of multichannel music from JRiver Media Center that is FLAC or DSD. If I use the DSP Studio to encode the output as Dolby Digital (which downsamples to 48KHz) then the upmixers work. Another quirk that may be related, I tried to disable my center channel speaker for multichannel music assuming that the center content would be downmixed to the L/R. Once again - for sample rates greater than 48KHz - this doesn't work. Even with center=NONE in the Size setup, for sample rates greater than 48KHz the processor still plays the content through the center speaker. This issue has been confirmed also. If only we had that "known issue" thread that was maintained by Emotiva. I wish there was software that existed that allowed consumers to submit bugs. |
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Post by markc on Feb 19, 2021 5:44:20 GMT -5
XMX-2 just went wonky, lost audio that needed hard reboot. After reboot the volume seemed to have disabled Dirac, volume very high, enabled test tone on left speaker to reset levels was necessary. 2.2 may not be all it's cracked up to be, this didn't happen with 2.1. I would: 1) backup your settings, 2) factory default, 3) restore settings, 4) Shutdown and turn off the rocker switch in back, 5) wait two minutes before turning the rocker switch back on, 5) wait another minute, 6) turn it back on by the power button on front. This is the procedure I use when loading a new firmware and it's never failed me. Maybe it will work for you as well. If it doesn't there is always reverting back to v2.1. Personally my RMC-1 has never sounded better than with v2.2 and Dirac v3.0.11. The channel separation is as distinct as I've ever heard it and the front to back & side to side with the LCR & surrounds are seamless. I still get the sluggishness when pausing my Panasonic DP-UB820, but this has been acknowledged already in the firmware notes that KeithL posted. Because the Video Remains On mode seems to some more inconvenient issues (possibly due to memory stack overflows or some code somewhere getting out of sync), I personally would add in: Switch settings from Video Remains On (if you use it) to Low Power Standby. Turn off the processor fully (i.e. into Low power standby) Turn it on - does a full reboot from scratch. Then update firmware. Let it reboot after update (maybe even twice!), then re-enable Video Remains On I found that if I leave Video Remains On enabled, the boot up after the firmware update can go a bit wonky. Maybe because it boots up and then immediately partially shuts down as it enters standby mode (Video remains on) That's why I ensure the first auto-reboot after the update takes it straight to a "complete on" situation. |
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Post by markc on Feb 19, 2021 5:49:59 GMT -5
Found a bug in 2.2 and it's repeatable. When playing multi channel dsd either on disc or usb and in my oppo dsd is set to pcm, and you choose either dolby surround upmixer, or neural x i get no sound. When choosing the neural x, most of the time i will get heavy static on top of the music or no sound, where if i choose the dolby upmixer it's only no sound or sometimes i get sound.. I'm also using Dirac live. The only way to get it back to playing normal is to stop the disc, and choose a different mode because all of the other modes get no sound. 2.0 dsd i have no issues with any of the surround modes, only the multichannel. Also is happening with high res multi channel dvd audio disc, although the dolby upmixer sometimes works, the neural x doesn't. So something with any hi res multi channel music is causing it. I didn't have this issue with 2.1. Can you guys please check if you can replicate? Thanks! Prime suggestion for oddities like this is to ask if it persists after a full reboot - i.e. turn off from the rear rocker switch. Wait a FULL minute, then power back up. Many just disappear. Also, it sounds odd as there is no rational reason why playing PCM converted from a DSD source should behave differently in the receiving DAC than PCM from a Dolby, DTS or FLAC. |
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Post by markc on Feb 19, 2021 5:56:46 GMT -5
7-8 minutes? On my XMC-2 it took nearly 20 and it looked like it was failing... when it started up for the last time, it stayed on the "Emotiva" screen for a good 4 minutes, then the "RETHING HIEND" screen for another 3 or so. I'm assuming the "RETHING HIEND" is a typo on your part, but I would not put anything beyond the realm of Emotiva Possibility. That little phrase is probably fine for advertising and marketing, but I actually and really do resent having to be faced with "RETHINK HIGH END" every time I am forced to reboot my black box of mystical operation. It just drives home a "No! No! No! thought in my head! Still, as long as the firmware changes go in the right step and with short intervals between them then we might just get there (as long as I don't get a bricked processor, which happily no-one has yet reported after the 2.2 release) |
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 19, 2021 5:56:58 GMT -5
After using 2.2 for about a day. Still buggy. Some things improved, some made worst. Far from perfect. I did not remeasure but I did re upload Dirac file and it sounds very good as before. Took some Rew measurements and frequency response was very similar. Sound levels were a tad off as before. I cut 1db from front three speakers as before. Scrolling through input and menu is still slow, about the same, give or take as before. At this point, I have no faith in Emotiva fixing the laggy menu and input scrolling. Probably a hardware issue. It is what it is. To sum it up, it's a good budget processor with bugs, but sounds awesome. I’m not sure what is causing the slow issue that some are reporting. I don’t have this and have been trying to replicate. Some are saying VRO may be part of the issue, but I always use VRO and menu and input scrolling are quick. I don’t get it. |
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Post by megash0n on Feb 19, 2021 8:28:58 GMT -5
7-8 minutes? On my XMC-2 it took nearly 20 and it looked like it was failing... when it started up for the last time, it stayed on the "Emotiva" screen for a good 4 minutes, then the "RETHING HIEND" screen for another 3 or so. I'm assuming the "RETHING HIEND" is a typo on your part, but I would not put anything beyond the realm of Emotiva Possibility. That little phrase is probably fine for advertising and marketing, but I actually and really do resent having to be faced with "RETHINK HIGH END" every time I am forced to reboot my black box of mystical operation. It just drives home a "No! No! No! thought in my head! Still, as long as the firmware changes go in the right step and with short intervals between them then we might just get there (as long as I don't get a bricked processor, which happily no-one has yet reported after the 2.2 release) In a hopefully non-abrasive manner, I agree. So many times I have had to stare at that message while dealing with blood-boiling agitation. I suppose one could say that it is rethinking high end. There are high end attributes alongside cheap/budget implementation striving towards value. In this context, the message really isn't too far off. |
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Post by Lsc on Feb 19, 2021 8:49:13 GMT -5
After using 2.2 for about a day. Still buggy. Some things improved, some made worst. Far from perfect. I did not remeasure but I did re upload Dirac file and it sounds very good as before. Took some Rew measurements and frequency response was very similar. Sound levels were a tad off as before. I cut 1db from front three speakers as before. Scrolling through input and menu is still slow, about the same, give or take as before. At this point, I have no faith in Emotiva fixing the laggy menu and input scrolling. Probably a hardware issue. It is what it is. To sum it up, it's a good budget processor with bugs, but sounds awesome. I’m not sure what is causing the slow issue that some are reporting. I don’t have this and have been trying to replicate. Some are saying VRO may be part of the issue, but I always use VRO and menu and input scrolling are quick. I don’t get it. I do feel bad for folks who have the slow issue. I’m also not sure what’s causing it. I have always used VRO even during firmware updates with no issues. May be time to contact Emotiva’s tech support. This firmware actually improved the menu speed. Changes to speaker size ie small -> large are seamless now and their is no pause in sound output. Even Dirac filter changes, the pause in sound is much shorter than before. |
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Post by Lsc on Feb 19, 2021 9:13:35 GMT -5
I'm assuming the "RETHING HIEND" is a typo on your part, but I would not put anything beyond the realm of Emotiva Possibility. That little phrase is probably fine for advertising and marketing, but I actually and really do resent having to be faced with "RETHINK HIGH END" every time I am forced to reboot my black box of mystical operation. It just drives home a "No! No! No! thought in my head! Still, as long as the firmware changes go in the right step and with short intervals between them then we might just get there (as long as I don't get a bricked processor, which happily no-one has yet reported after the 2.2 release) In a hopefully non-abrasive manner, I agree. So many times I have had to stare at that message while dealing with blood-boiling agitation. I suppose one could say that it is rethinking high end. There are high end attributes alongside cheap/budget implementation striving towards value. In this context, the message really isn't too far off. This isn’t limited to Emotiva processors. Other “high end” processors (seems like it’s this last generation of processors) also have suffered from significant growing pains. I find my XMC2 outstanding in performance. It saved me thousands as a surround processor and thousands more as I don’t have to buy a “high end” two channel preamp and DAC. My only complaint is the ARC/CEC which I have turned off (looks like Emotiva is making progress here) but otherwise, I turn on my unit every day, watch programs on ATV4K, listen to music, and turn it off when I’m done. Lots of other options out there too. |
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Post by ttocs on Feb 19, 2021 9:16:00 GMT -5
The only times I experience a Slow Bug is when a Dolby Bitstream device is Paused, or in the case of my Panasonic UB820 when I'm in its menu. And it's not when the device is paused the first time in a processor On session, it's only the second time and after.
I just tried it for the first time since updating to FW-2.2. I paused TiVo once, no problem, started playing again and paused a second time, now the processor Menu is slow, resume play and Menu is ok again.
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Post by yeeeha17 on Feb 19, 2021 9:22:14 GMT -5
VRO is not working for me. I have to toggle the main switch in the back to get it to work again and that’s a pain in the a$$. I wish they would put a switch in the front for people who can’t get behind their cabinets easily. I wouldn’t complain if I had to do it like once or twice a year but it’s been like every week I have to toggle it to get the damn thing to work again. Sounds great when working right but a $3k processors that can’t even perform half the time. Emotiva needs to step up the game here and get some professional programmers here. This thing has been out way to long to have bugs like this.
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Post by Lsc on Feb 19, 2021 9:32:42 GMT -5
VRO is not working for me. I have to toggle the main switch in the back to get it to work again and that’s a pain in the a$$. I wish they would put a switch in the front for people who can’t get behind their cabinets easily. I wouldn’t complain if I had to do it like once or twice a year but it’s been like every week I have to toggle it to get the damn thing to work again. Sounds great when working right but a $3k processors that can’t even perform half the time. Emotiva needs to step up the game here and get some professional programmers here. This thing has been out way to long to have bugs like this. This issue warrants a call to Emotiva tech support. VRO works 100% of the time for me. So they really need to help troubleshoot your issue and get to the bottom of it. I agree that this is not normal. I don’t know how you guys deal with these issues without taking a sledgehammer to your units. I only flip that switch when I feel like getting ARC working for a while. |
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 19, 2021 9:35:09 GMT -5
VRO is not working for me. I have to toggle the main switch in the back to get it to work again and that’s a pain in the a$$. I wish they would put a switch in the front for people who can’t get behind their cabinets easily. I wouldn’t complain if I had to do it like once or twice a year but it’s been like every week I have to toggle it to get the damn thing to work again. Sounds great when working right but a $3k processors that can’t even perform half the time. Emotiva needs to step up the game here and get some professional programmers here. This thing has been out way to long to have bugs like this. Maybe you could explain your issue in a bit more detail... What's not working for you? I use VRO exclusively and have no issues whatsoever with any of the video sources found in my signature below. |
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Post by adam631 on Feb 19, 2021 10:10:47 GMT -5
Thanks, just make sure to try a multi channel dsd or multi channel dvd audio with neural x. It happens with dsd multi channel on usb stick also. I will let Damon know. It's a known and reported issue that neither upmixer will work with PCM content that is higher sample rate than 48KHz. So DSD that's been converted to PCM or multichannel FLAC files ... anything that is 88KHz or 96KHz or higher... the upmixers do nothing. I've confirmed this with the OPPO 205, though I have never had the other symptoms that you report. I play a lot of multichannel music from JRiver Media Center that is FLAC or DSD. If I use the DSP Studio to encode the output as Dolby Digital (which downsamples to 48KHz) then the upmixers work. Another quirk that may be related, I tried to disable my center channel speaker for multichannel music assuming that the center content would be downmixed to the L/R. Once again - for sample rates greater than 48KHz - this doesn't work. Even with center=NONE in the Size setup, for sample rates greater than 48KHz the processor still plays the content through the center speaker. This issue has been confirmed also. In 2.2 the upmixers work with DTS multi channel and 2.0 hi res audio and DSD 2.0 audio, just not with DSD converted to pcm or DVD audio multi channel, at least in my setup. |
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Post by ElectricKoolAid on Feb 19, 2021 10:13:35 GMT -5
VRO is not working for me. I have to toggle the main switch in the back to get it to work again and that’s a pain in the a$$. I wish they would put a switch in the front for people who can’t get behind their cabinets easily. I wouldn’t complain if I had to do it like once or twice a year but it’s been like every week I have to toggle it to get the damn thing to work again. Sounds great when working right but a $3k processors that can’t even perform half the time. Emotiva needs to step up the game here and get some professional programmers here. This thing has been out way to long to have bugs like this. If you hold the Emotiva button on the front of the device (the circle button with the led light around it) for six seconds it will shut down completely and you can then press that button after a few seconds to turn it back on. |
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Post by adam631 on Feb 19, 2021 10:21:41 GMT -5
Found a bug in 2.2 and it's repeatable. When playing multi channel dsd either on disc or usb and in my oppo dsd is set to pcm, and you choose either dolby surround upmixer, or neural x i get no sound. When choosing the neural x, most of the time i will get heavy static on top of the music or no sound, where if i choose the dolby upmixer it's only no sound or sometimes i get sound.. I'm also using Dirac live. The only way to get it back to playing normal is to stop the disc, and choose a different mode because all of the other modes get no sound. 2.0 dsd i have no issues with any of the surround modes, only the multichannel. Also is happening with high res multi channel dvd audio disc, although the dolby upmixer sometimes works, the neural x doesn't. So something with any hi res multi channel music is causing it. I didn't have this issue with 2.1. Can you guys please check if you can replicate? Thanks! Prime suggestion for oddities like this is to ask if it persists after a full reboot - i.e. turn off from the rear rocker switch. Wait a FULL minute, then power back up. Many just disappear. Also, it sounds odd as there is no rational reason why playing PCM converted from a DSD source should behave differently in the receiving DAC than PCM from a Dolby, DTS or FLAC. Yes i tried a full reboot and it persists. I'm converting DSD to PCM because i am using dirac and the upmixers do work for me with DSD 2.0 converted to PCM, just the multichannel is causing the issues with the upmixers. |
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Post by Thunderduck on Feb 19, 2021 10:39:09 GMT -5
VRO is not working for me. I have to toggle the main switch in the back to get it to work again and that’s a pain in the a$$. I wish they would put a switch in the front for people who can’t get behind their cabinets easily. I wouldn’t complain if I had to do it like once or twice a year but it’s been like every week I have to toggle it to get the damn thing to work again. Sounds great when working right but a $3k processors that can’t even perform half the time. Emotiva needs to step up the game here and get some professional programmers here. This thing has been out way to long to have bugs like this. If you hold the Emotiva button on the front of the device (the circle button with the led light around it) for six seconds it will shut down completely and you can then press that button after a few seconds to turn it back on. You can do that also with the STANDBY button on the remote unit. Hold that button for 6 seconds or so and the unit will power down to the lowest power mode (sorry, forget the correct term). Anyway, the unit will not be in VRO mode so that when you power on again, it will go through the full boot-up process. |
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Post by ElectricKoolAid on Feb 19, 2021 10:43:02 GMT -5
SIde note, does anyone use Plex on an Nvidia Shield to watch HDR content? I've been having an issue where I'll start a movie with HDR and it will flash the HDR badge up in the corner of my TV screen but I guess the color space or something doesn't shift to the right mode? I'm not sure if it's needing to go to 4:4:4 and not or what is exactly causing this. So the movie will look really washed out and the colors will not be correct. Last night I found that I can manually modify the Shield's video settings to manually switch it over to the correct mode and the color returns to normal. Just wondering if anyone else has had this issue? What you describe sounds like a inability to switch to bt2020 [uhd] from rec709 colour space . Knowing the GEN3'S are just switching [good] ; I googled and found this shield problem - www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/shield-tv/9/314606/not-switching-to-bt2020-anymore/Thanks for looking into that. I would not be surprised if it was an issue on Nvidia's side. Someone else said they were having the same issue with their HTPC also. What's strange is this didn't happen with my previous setup, granted the HDMI from my Shield was going to an HDMI audio extractor which split the HDMI into two feeds, and HDMI out to go to the TV's input and then an HDMI out that went to my receiver. So, it's very possible that the issue could have happened if I had my Shield plugged directly into my old receiver but I never tried that and don't know if it would have or not. But I felt like it was worth mentioning on here in case anyone else is having a similar issue, which it sounds like might be happening. |
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