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Post by bitzerjdb on Mar 11, 2021 15:49:02 GMT -5
Question on the 6db increase in the Subwoofers after the 2.2 Firmware was installed. Is this the new "Normal" or do you expect it to change with 2.3? I haven't seen anything from Keith on this. Doing a Dirac recalibration is a PITA (our house is rarely quiet), so I don't want to do it and then have to do it again with 2.3 if I can help it.
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Post by TheTerrorBeyond on Mar 11, 2021 19:46:40 GMT -5
Which Firmware is installed? The shield always needs a bit longer as some other devices I own.
But I don't have Drops during the play with the RMC-1.
Looks like some of the devices "talk" within the HDMI - have you disabled ARC and CEC on all your devices?
and of course - I assume that the devices are directly attached to the XMC-2
Firmware 2.2. I just turned all CEC stuff off... I will report back with results. Thank you! The audio dropouts remain. I turned off everything and moved my HDMI cable to the XMC-2 output that doesn't have ARC. I just ordered a bunch of new HDMI cables to be certain that they are the newest standard. I know that the ones I have are 4k capable, but maybe they are having some other issue... |
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Post by geebo on Mar 11, 2021 20:00:31 GMT -5
Question on the 6db increase in the Subwoofers after the 2.2 Firmware was installed. Is this the new "Normal" or do you expect it to change with 2.3? I haven't seen anything from Keith on this. Doing a Dirac recalibration is a PITA (our house is rarely quiet), so I don't want to do it and then have to do it again with 2.3 if I can help it. I expect it to be fixed in the next firmware but it shouldn't matter with Dirac. The measurements made with Dirac and the filters created are not affected by it. |
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Post by ttocs on Mar 11, 2021 20:38:58 GMT -5
Question on the 6db increase in the Subwoofers after the 2.2 Firmware was installed. Is this the new "Normal" or do you expect it to change with 2.3? I haven't seen anything from Keith on this. Doing a Dirac recalibration is a PITA (our house is rarely quiet), so I don't want to do it and then have to do it again with 2.3 if I can help it. It's new, not normal, it's not +6dB for everyone, will be fixed. It's system setup dependent however, some experience more of it than others. Some need the increase so probably don't mind. Here's something I just now tried with success. System setup: Fronts Large All Others Small Center Sub LFE to miniDSP Input 1 Left Sub Mono to miniDSP Input 2 Run Dirac After Dirac I change the Left/Right Subs from Mono to Dual Mono. This drops the output of each (Left and Right Sub), in my case the output dropped -5dB per Small channel, so now it's just a tick lower than the Large channels but close enough to call it equal. There's math here, so if you are Chevy Chase playing Gerald Ford in the 1976 SNL debate you may make your statement that it was your understanding that there would be no math. As measured with REW. If the Large Fronts = 0dB The Small C, SL, SR, SBL, and SBR = 0dB as provided from the Left Sub The LFE = +13dB so I just set the LFE in Preferences to -3dB in Levels. Emotiva still needs to drop all Bass Managed bass to the nominal level of all speakers above the crossover point. This is not tolerable that the bass has been elevated like this. And this in no way does what I want, which is to only have LFE from the Center Sub and no other sub channels used so all BM goes to the Large Fronts. I really wanted to find a way to stick with 2.2 because it's the best I've had to date. This workaround is simply that, something to get by with. edit: OOPS! Shame on me! I had been checking things using User EQ and had adjusted the Levels for that, so after posting I changed Level back to 0.0 for most of the channels, typical for my system setup that only a few wander away from zero. I've adjusted the above figures accordingly. |
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Post by bitzerjdb on Mar 11, 2021 20:54:12 GMT -5
My non Math way :-)
I dropped the subs -3db (Volume on the subs) and it was still way too base heavy. I then dropped the trim (sub) -1db and watched the rest of the movie. I thought it was still too bass-heavy (which is weird because I like bass). I then set the Setup settings -2db on the subs and will try it out tomorrow.
If this will be fixed, I will tweak it to the point it sounds OK, and wait for 2.3 before the serious readjustment.
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Post by JKCashin on Mar 11, 2021 21:13:19 GMT -5
Wait... WHAT? I didn't know you can turn off the on-screen menus... where is the option for that? Setup - preferences - OSD Popups. I have mine set to User (Other options none or all) That doesn't turn off the on-screen menus, just the OSD Popups... not the same thing. I want to go into the Menu without the menu coming up on the screen.... just on the front panel display. |
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Post by hsamwel on Mar 12, 2021 14:13:27 GMT -5
Are you saying because a logger could crash or overflow there’s no reason to try to log? Other programs use this feature all the time. Among other nice code testing features. These betas with loggers activated should not be spread in public. So if they crash or misbehave is really not a problem. Btw you could simply log the startup as it seems the issue with the NIC is located there. Btw could you inform us why the Kernel hasn’t been updated since jan 2018 while your here? There must have been A LOT of bug fixes and improvements in Linux since then? And speed? Maybe this alone could help with the NIC issue? Are you seriously suggesting "update the kernel to see it fixes.stuff"? That way lies madness. An XMC box is not a rolling Linux distro where you can update to the latest and greatest to see if it's better. It's an embedded system with integrated components for hardware and software. You have to make changes one thing at a time and with great care and regression testing. Just because it's based on a commodity kernel doesn't mean you can randomly swap stuff in and expect it to keep working. In my day job you'd be laughed out of a design meeting for suggesting that ! Well.. No need for updates when you’ve got a stable ground. But as long as the network bug exist, yes I do suggest checking out some modules and compile a new kernel. If it doesn’t do anything then fine don’t release it and use the old one. If the NIC startup code isn’t in the kernel then I agree with you.. |
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Post by TheTerrorBeyond on Mar 12, 2021 21:53:05 GMT -5
The dropout problem appears to have been related to older HDMI cables. I turned the HDMI spec to 1.4 and the dropouts stopped. I turned the HDMI spec to 2.0 and the dropouts returned.
I replaced all the HDMI cables with new HDMI cables of the newest specification and set everything to HDMI 2.0 and the dropouts have not returned.
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Post by rhale64 on Mar 12, 2021 22:19:56 GMT -5
I just went back to 2.1. Every time I ran Dirac when I would listen to music I had crackling sounds in my speakers. Sounded kind of like blown drivers. I would shut off the RMC1l and turn it back on and the problem would go away. Well I just bought new subs and had to redo Dirac of course. Well this time when I was done loading I had obvious elevated bass and again it was scratchy sounding. So I shut it down. The bass was still elevated but the scratchy sound went away. So I did another calibration today to fix the elevated bass and this time it was scratchy sounding but with elevated treble. And after every restart the scratchy sound would go away but it always came back after about an hour.
All my restarts were with the rear toggle switch. I tried the standby and it did nothing. I never had a problem with 2.1 so figured I would give it a shot. Well so far so good. No scratchy sound and at least it is consistent.
2.2 is all over the place. Yes it can sound great. But man it can also sound terrible.
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Post by aswiss on Mar 13, 2021 8:08:44 GMT -5
I just went back to 2.1. Every time I ran Dirac when I would listen to music I had crackling sounds in my speakers. Sounded kind of like blown drivers. I would shut off the RMC1l and turn it back on and the problem would go away. Well I just bought new subs and had to redo Dirac of course. Well this time when I was done loading I had obvious elevated bass and again it was scratchy sounding. So I shut it down. The bass was still elevated but the scratchy sound went away. So I did another calibration today to fix the elevated bass and this time it was scratchy sounding but with elevated treble. And after every restart the scratchy sound would go away but it always came back after about an hour. All my restarts were with the rear toggle switch. I tried the standby and it did nothing. I never had a problem with 2.1 so figured I would give it a shot. Well so far so good. No scratchy sound and at least it is consistent. 2.2 is all over the place. Yes it can sound great. But man it can also sound terrible. With my very very loud Bass Boom Pop I encountered - I'm to much scared to try this 2.2 again. Won't risk a damage of the speakers. So I'll stay on 2.1 until maybe a better version without issues will be released. In 2.1 for me all is fine.
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Post by wizardofoz on Mar 13, 2021 12:56:53 GMT -5
I found at least one issue on my Xmc-2...I’m posting it from a local thread in a local forum here...this is a new unit shipped in late November or early dec 2020. I’m disappointed as this unit was requested to be thoroughly vetted before shipping half way around the world...and as usual I had to fix it...that’s what I do, and did for Emotiva users here for many years. avdisco.com/t/the-wiz-is-going-atmos-follow-along-for-the-ride-hope-swmbo-will-be-happy-too/148/111Anyway I hope this is last of the issues. You can go to the top of the thread linked above and see where all this started |
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Post by rhale64 on Mar 13, 2021 22:07:59 GMT -5
Well I had to totally redo Dirac after reverting back to 2.1 to permanently fix my scratchy sound. It kept coming back until after I redid Dirac in 2.1. I don't know if I could have pulled up Dirac in 2.1 and just had it recalculate filters and reload and that work. All I know is now it is clean sounding again
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Post by Dreamer on Mar 14, 2021 4:05:56 GMT -5
I just tried to go back to 2.1 (which I have done one other time). During the update it went into a message of: HDMI FAILED REBOOT AND RETRY. (I think that's wat it said) Now it says:
err init HDBS82
Any suggestions?
I just bought this the end of October 2020......4 and a half months............NOT GOOD!
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Post by cawgijoe on Mar 14, 2021 7:02:25 GMT -5
I just tried to go back to 2.1 (which I have done one other time). During the update it went into a message of: HDMI FAILED REBOOT AND RETRY. (I think that's wat it said) Now it says: err init HDBS82 Any suggestions? I just bought this the end of October 2020......4 and a half months............NOT GOOD! Rear rocker switch shut off. Wait a minute or longer. Power back up. Check firmware version if it powers up smoothly. If 2.2, try 2.1 again. Double check that 2.1 firmware is the only thing on your thumb drive. |
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Post by kanichkhun on Mar 14, 2021 12:01:41 GMT -5
thanks to those who replied to my enquiry.
okay, so now I've set my LEFT and RIGHT speaker to large and of course DIRAC is going to me warning that the setting is incorrect as I originally measured them all in small speakers.
1) do I have to remeasure all again with my L & R set large?
2) does using Reference Stereo with DIRAC meaning this isn't pure signal output? deriving from keith's message, I'm confused by it, so the DIRAC filter would be applying to the ref. stereo as well?
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Post by ttocs on Mar 14, 2021 12:12:09 GMT -5
thanks to those who replied to my enquiry. okay, so now I've set my LEFT and RIGHT speaker to large and of course DIRAC is going to me warning that the setting is incorrect as I originally measured them all in small speakers. 1) do I have to remeasure all again with my L & R set large? 2) does using Reference Stereo with DIRAC meaning this isn't pure signal output? deriving from keith's message, I'm confused by it, so the DIRAC filter would be applying to the ref. stereo as well? Dirac doesn't care. Dirac measures every channel as full range. Large, Small, doesn't matter to Dirac. Reference Stereo is no Dirac, no PEQ, no nuthin'. Just a couple wires going to the left and right speakers. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Mar 14, 2021 12:15:46 GMT -5
thanks to those who replied to my enquiry. okay, so now I've set my LEFT and RIGHT speaker to large and of course DIRAC is going to me warning that the setting is incorrect as I originally measured them all in small speakers. 1) do I have to remeasure all again with my L & R set large? 2) does using Reference Stereo with DIRAC meaning this isn't pure signal output? deriving from keith's message, I'm confused by it, so the DIRAC filter would be applying to the ref. stereo as well? [br I could never get a clear answer from Keith on this but here is my experience. When toggling between stereo and reference stereo in a preset with Dirac engaged the volume stays the same, however if you go into the input settings and disengage then re-engage the reference stereo option the volume returns to the levels that I had pre Dirac. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Mar 14, 2021 12:20:02 GMT -5
thanks to those who replied to my enquiry. okay, so now I've set my LEFT and RIGHT speaker to large and of course DIRAC is going to me warning that the setting is incorrect as I originally measured them all in small speakers. 1) do I have to remeasure all again with my L & R set large? 2) does using Reference Stereo with DIRAC meaning this isn't pure signal output? deriving from keith's message, I'm confused by it, so the DIRAC filter would be applying to the ref. stereo as well? Dirac doesn't care. Dirac measures every channel as full range. Large, Small, doesn't matter to Dirac. Reference Stereo is no Dirac, no PEQ, no nuthin'. Just a couple wires going to the left and right speakers. If this is true why does reference stereo track the Dirac values on volume? |
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Post by ttocs on Mar 14, 2021 12:44:33 GMT -5
Dirac doesn't care. Dirac measures every channel as full range. Large, Small, doesn't matter to Dirac. Reference Stereo is no Dirac, no PEQ, no nuthin'. Just a couple wires going to the left and right speakers. If this is true why does reference stereo track the Dirac values on volume? Menu:: Setup:: Speakers:: Preset 1:: Levels is a Global setting. My system plays about the same with or without Dirac for two channel, too close to call. But I'll test it out some time, could be fun. Maybe later today after I'm done listening to music. I know some folks think that those of us who enjoy testing things don't listen to music or watch movies, so here's what I've listened to so far today: Bobby McFerrin: Friends Ales Barta on organ: Toccata and Fugue in D minor Stan Getz, Astrud Gilberto: The Girl From Ipanema David Benoit: Cast Your Fate To The Wind, Human Nature Billy Cobham: To the Women in My Life, Le Lis 6-Zylinder: No Sanctuary Here D. Pritzker & M. Scott & Sonia Dada: No Sanctuary Here Mike Oldfield: Tubular Bells Pt. 1 Depeche Mode: Enjoy The Silence Rob Wasserman, Jennifer Warnes: Ballad Of The Runaway Horse The Psychedelic Furs: Love My Way Billy Idol: Eyes Without A Face Pet Shop Boys: West End Girls Robin Trower: Bridge Of Sighs, In This Place, About To Begin Lou Reed: Walk On The Wild Side Gorillaz feat Little Dragon: Empire Ants Santana: Welcome Album . . . . still playing. |
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Post by Dreamer on Mar 14, 2021 12:53:49 GMT -5
I just tried to go back to 2.1 (which I have done one other time). During the update it went into a message of: HDMI FAILED REBOOT AND RETRY. (I think that's wat it said) Now it says: err init HDBS82 Any suggestions? I just bought this the end of October 2020......4 and a half months............NOT GOOD! Rear rocker switch shut off. Wait a minute or longer. Power back up. Check firmware version if it powers up smoothly. If 2.2, try 2.1 again. Double check that 2.1 firmware is the only thing on your thumb drive. Shut off rear switch hours ago. Only the 2.1 firmware file on usb drive. I power it up and it goes to: err init HDBS82 Any other suggestions? I really am struggling to believe that I may be sending this in for service after 4 months of ownership at it's price point! |
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