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Post by foggy1956 on Mar 14, 2021 13:06:08 GMT -5
If this is true why does reference stereo track the Dirac values on volume? Menu:: Setup:: Speakers:: Preset 1:: Levels is a Global setting. My system plays about the same with or without Dirac for two channel, too close to call. But I'll test it out some time, could be fun. Maybe later today after I'm done listening to music. I know some folks think that those of us who enjoy testing things don't listen to music or watch movies, so here's what I've listened to so far today: Bobby McFerrin: Friends Ales Barta on organ: Toccata and Fugue in D minor Stan Getz, Astrud Gilberto: The Girl From Ipanema David Benoit: Cast Your Fate To The Wind, Human Nature Billy Cobham: To the Women in My Life, Le Lis 6-Zylinder: No Sanctuary Here D. Pritzker & M. Scott & Sonia Dada: No Sanctuary Here Mike Oldfield: Tubular Bells Pt. 1 Depeche Mode: Enjoy The Silence Rob Wasserman, Jennifer Warnes: Ballad Of The Runaway Horse The Psychedelic Furs: Love My Way Billy Idol: Eyes Without A Face Pet Shop Boys: West End Girls Robin Trower: Bridge Of Sighs, In This Place, About To Begin Lou Reed: Walk On The Wild Side Gorillaz feat Little Dragon: Empire Ants Santana: Welcome Album . . . . still playing. Thank you, my system is virtually the same between stereo and reference stereo also but what happens when you go into the input settings and toggle the reference stereo option? It is when I toggle that that I return to pre-Dirac levels. |
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Post by ttocs on Mar 14, 2021 13:34:29 GMT -5
Shut off rear switch hours ago. Only the 2.1 firmware file on usb drive. I power it up and it goes to: err init HDBS82 Any other suggestions? I really am struggling to believe that I may be sending this in for service after 4 months of ownership at it's price point! That is not good. My XMC-2 had that last year and it had to go in for service. I've beat the cr@p out of it since with no issues - firmware updates/backdates for lots of tests for me and others. Call at opening tomorrow. Wish I had better advice. I sent mine on Monday, got it back same week, and that was in July during lockdown. |
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Post by ttocs on Mar 14, 2021 14:24:27 GMT -5
Thank you, my system is virtually the same between stereo and reference stereo also but what happens when you go into the input settings and toggle the reference stereo option? It is when I toggle that that I return to pre-Dirac levels. The results came back from the "Lab", they work Sundays on request.  Always good to check these things, just to make sure. Just the Right Front setup as Large. Teal is Reference Stereo, Red is Stereo with Dirac Filter. I set the Curtains in Dirac for under the speaker's crossover of 300Hz, so I just measured up to 300Hz.   |
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Post by cawgijoe on Mar 14, 2021 15:12:06 GMT -5
Rear rocker switch shut off. Wait a minute or longer. Power back up. Check firmware version if it powers up smoothly. If 2.2, try 2.1 again. Double check that 2.1 firmware is the only thing on your thumb drive. Shut off rear switch hours ago. Only the 2.1 firmware file on usb drive. I power it up and it goes to: err init HDBS82 Any other suggestions? I really am struggling to believe that I may be sending this in for service after 4 months of ownership at it's price point! Someone else may have another suggestion. I know it sucks, but be happy you have a warranty. Call Emotiva tomorrow morning. I see ttocs had the same issue......and he has put his unit through the paces! |
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Post by KeithL on Mar 14, 2021 15:22:00 GMT -5
The ONLY way to update or re-flash the firmware is by using the Setup Menu. If you are getting the HDSB82 error then you cannot get into the menu (that is the HDMI board failing to initialize). If you cannot get into the menu then there is nothing else for you to try.
You can try unplugging all HDMI and Trigger cables...
(because there is a long shot that a shorted cable could prevent the unit from starting up)
However, if it still doesn't boot up, even with nothing connected, then it's going to have to come in for service.
Rear rocker switch shut off. Wait a minute or longer. Power back up. Check firmware version if it powers up smoothly. If 2.2, try 2.1 again. Double check that 2.1 firmware is the only thing on your thumb drive. Shut off rear switch hours ago. Only the 2.1 firmware file on usb drive. I power it up and it goes to: err init HDBS82 Any other suggestions? I really am struggling to believe that I may be sending this in for service after 4 months of ownership at it's price point! |
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Post by vmbray on Mar 14, 2021 17:12:01 GMT -5
Rear rocker switch shut off. Wait a minute or longer. Power back up. Check firmware version if it powers up smoothly. If 2.2, try 2.1 again. Double check that 2.1 firmware is the only thing on your thumb drive. Shut off rear switch hours ago. Only the 2.1 firmware file on usb drive. I power it up and it goes to: err init HDBS82 Any other suggestions? I really am struggling to believe that I may be sending this in for service after 4 months of ownership at it's price point! Does it do the same error with no usb plugged in? Also did you switch the switch and unplug power? And the hdmi is a good suggestion it seems. Sounds like it may be hosed, which stinks. On a good note I had to send an amp in and it was a very good repair experience, it was working but making chirping sounds from the box, intermittently. They fixed all the channels and communication was great, it was pretty quick, and just overall very pro level. Edit, if it boots without the usb see if you have an old small like 2gb stick and try that. |
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Post by vmbray on Mar 14, 2021 17:18:16 GMT -5
I know some folks think that those of us who enjoy testing things don't listen to music or watch movies, so here's what I've listened to so far today: Bobby McFerrin: Friends Ales Barta on organ: Toccata and Fugue in D minor Nice list. Watched MI5 yesterday, xmc2 fired right up, no pops, no problems, sounded great. I’ll probably make another Dirac curve with 3db more bass, or just tap in another 3 sub dbs. Another thing I want to get around to is to try using Rew and mic with 0 deg cal and point the mic at each speaker, it seems like heights get set a touch low using a 90 degree file when mic is pointed up. It makes sense anyway that that’s not optimal. So if you measured by pointing the mic and it was different you’d then know how much to raise the heights volumes. This is a half baked thought but I’ve seen others mention it and it seems worth investigating. |
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Post by Lsc on Mar 14, 2021 21:55:17 GMT -5
I know some folks think that those of us who enjoy testing things don't listen to music or watch movies, so here's what I've listened to so far today: Bobby McFerrin: Friends Ales Barta on organ: Toccata and Fugue in D minor Nice list. Watched MI5 yesterday, xmc2 fired right up, no pops, no problems, sounded great. I’ll probably make another Dirac curve with 3db more bass, or just tap in another 3 sub dbs. Another thing I want to get around to is to try using Rew and mic with 0 deg cal and point the mic at each speaker, it seems like heights get set a touch low using a 90 degree file when mic is pointed up. It makes sense anyway that that’s not optimal. So if you measured by pointing the mic and it was different you’d then know how much to raise the heights volumes. This is a half baked thought but I’ve seen others mention it and it seems worth investigating. I watched Greenland over the weekend with the wifey and she said it nearly gave her PTSD from the stress of watching the movie. That really speaks volumes of how good the XMC2 is. We started watching the movie in the family room with my legacy gear then went to my man cave after the basement was available....she said the sound quality was way better in basement...and she couldn’t care less about this stuff. Had I known I was going to buy another full balanced amp, I would have bought the RMC1L with the 40% someone gifted me but I was too wary to pull the trigger. I would have been pretty irritated if I had spent all that money for little to no improvement - still don’t know as no one had compared the XMC2 vs RMC1L (at least to my knowledge). |
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Post by kanichkhun on Mar 14, 2021 22:24:56 GMT -5
@ttoocs, @foggy, thanks!
right, so I shall ignore dirac warning.
reason I asked for the question 2, because after I did my 1st attempt of Dirac calibration.
I fire up to listen some music on reference stereo and it sounded crap. lifeless flat compressed sound.
but hey that's reference stereo, how can this be!
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Post by ttocs on Mar 14, 2021 23:53:56 GMT -5
@ttoocs, @foggy, thanks! right, so I shall ignore dirac warning. reason I asked for the question 2, because after I did my 1st attempt of Dirac calibration. I fire up to listen some music on reference stereo and it sounded crap. lifeless flat compressed sound. but hey that's reference stereo, how can this be! To verify, you can switch to User EQ which has no association with Dirac whatsoever and use Reference Stereo. If that sounds flat and lifeless then the issue is something else. If it sounds better, then go back to using the Dirac EQ, switch the audio mode to Reference Stereo (which nullifies Dirac) and reverify what it sounds like. It's always possible that something got "stuck" in the wrong setting. |
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Post by Lsc on Mar 15, 2021 2:13:51 GMT -5
@ttoocs, @foggy, thanks! right, so I shall ignore dirac warning. reason I asked for the question 2, because after I did my 1st attempt of Dirac calibration. I fire up to listen some music on reference stereo and it sounded crap. lifeless flat compressed sound. but hey that's reference stereo, how can this be! If Reference Stereo sounds like crap then it may be due to your room. While Reference Stereo doesn’t sound as good as my Dirac setting, it still sounds pretty good. Dirac just sounds better. Also, $14,500 in preamp / DAC sounds better than the XMC2 in any mode. I verified this with a buddy. Hopefully Dirac / Emotiva will get the upload fixed with their latest versions. |
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Post by kanichkhun on Mar 15, 2021 2:28:18 GMT -5
oh.. before I had dirac, the reference stereo was superb, enjoying very much.
I did my 2nd calibration, and restart, it seems to be fine now.
will monitor.
do you guys do sound level check after dirac to increase the overall volume?
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Post by ttocs on Mar 15, 2021 8:34:42 GMT -5
do you guys do sound level check after dirac to increase the overall volume? No. I always check Levels after running Dirac. The quietest channel is kept at 0.0dB, any channel that is louder gets lowered. |
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Post by geebo on Mar 15, 2021 8:37:53 GMT -5
do you guys do sound level check after dirac to increase the overall volume? No. I always check Levels after running Dirac. The quietest channel is kept at 0.0dB, any channel that is louder gets lowered. I always do a level check after Dirac as well but I just start with the left front and adjust everything to match that. |
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Post by kanichkhun on Mar 15, 2021 9:35:33 GMT -5
okay.. so how should I do so that I won't have to turn master volume to 0dB - +5dB.
before dirac, I manual leveling and hovering around -15db to -20dB.
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Post by ttocs on Mar 15, 2021 11:01:46 GMT -5
okay.. so how should I do so that I won't have to turn master volume to 0dB - +5dB. before dirac, I manual leveling and hovering around -15db to -20dB. It's going to be the same difference overall if you raise the Levels and turn the Volume control up less, or keep the Levels where they are and turn the Volume up more. If, after equalizing Levels, you have a bunch of channels that are at 0.0dB, then it's less work to leave them alone and just turn up the volume to a different number. To me, it's kinda like painting a wall purple. You can use purple paint, or mix red and blue together. In the end it's the same result, one is more work. But it's still gonna be a purple wall. |
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Post by moophone on Mar 15, 2021 15:11:03 GMT -5
Has anyone noticed the XMC-2 get really unresponsive after leaving something paused for a while? To the point where I have to physically restart the XMC-2. Is this a known issue, is it being worked on or should I email support?
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Post by doc1963 on Mar 15, 2021 15:24:55 GMT -5
Has anyone noticed the XMC-2 get really unresponsive after leaving something paused for a while? To the point where I have to physically restart the XMC-2. Is this a known issue, is it being worked on or should I email support? Yes, many have noticed and, yes, it's being worked on. From the Firmware Update Notes (found HERE)... KNOWN REMAINING ISSUES: There are a few issues that we are aware of and are still working to resolve. One known issue is that the processor's response may become sluggish when certain source devices are paused.
This situation has been noted with various source devices, including some game consoles, and cable boxes. It is particularly common with TiVo boxes and several current models of Panasonic disc players (820 and 9000 series). This usually only occurs with Dolby Atmos or DTS:X content and response will usually return to normal when the source device is un-paused.
However, if the device is paused for an extended period of time, the processor may eventually lock up, and require a reboot. (This generally will not happen unless the device is paused for twenty to thirty minutes.)
We know why this is happening and are working to find a satisfactory solution. |
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Post by Dreamer on Mar 16, 2021 0:53:04 GMT -5
The ONLY way to update or re-flash the firmware is by using the Setup Menu. If you are getting the HDSB82 error then you cannot get into the menu (that is the HDMI board failing to initialize). If you cannot get into the menu then there is nothing else for you to try.
You can try unplugging all HDMI and Trigger cables...
(because there is a long shot that a shorted cable could prevent the unit from starting up)
However, if it still doesn't boot up, even with nothing connected, then it's going to have to come in for service.
Shut off rear switch hours ago. Only the 2.1 firmware file on usb drive. I power it up and it goes to: err init HDBS82 Any other suggestions? I really am struggling to believe that I may be sending this in for service after 4 months of ownership at it's price point! My XMC-2 is being shipped back, it is only 5 months old. Are there a lot of firmware change errors or other equipment problems amongst Emotiva owners that require factory service? They also told me that the turn around time would be a month, is this also typical? A month? |
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Post by kanichkhun on Mar 16, 2021 3:17:01 GMT -5
okay.. so how should I do so that I won't have to turn master volume to 0dB - +5dB. before dirac, I manual leveling and hovering around -15db to -20dB. It's going to be the same difference overall if you raise the Levels and turn the Volume control up less, or keep the Levels where they are and turn the Volume up more. If, after equalizing Levels, you have a bunch of channels that are at 0.0dB, then it's less work to leave them alone and just turn up the volume to a different number. To me, it's kinda like painting a wall purple. You can use purple paint, or mix red and blue together. In the end it's the same result, one is more work. But it's still gonna be a purple wall. haha, alright, guess I just have to get over it. |
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