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Post by hsamwel on Jul 30, 2021 15:45:56 GMT -5
So a follow up to my weird deal. Got the 6'HDMI fiber optic HDMIs yesterday. I had a few HDMI keystone parts I didn't use when I hid the cables in the walls so I used them to mimic the set up I have to test them before tearing into my current set up and they worked! My blu-ray player hooked to the RMC-1 with a 3.3' regular HDMI then another 3.3' plugged into the wall jack, with the 6'fiber optic HDMI on the back side the lower wall jack hooked to the back side the upper (behind TV) wall jack then a 3.3' from the front of the upper wall jack to the TV. So the 6' fiber optic must have improved the pipeline enough to allow full 4k without any issues. I'm not sure why it worked the first few days after I got the 4k blu-ray, and then wouldn't pass the 4k signal I have no idea. I didn't find any setting had changed or anything. The TVs that I tested with that did work just had a 6' regular HDMI coming from the RMC-1 to the TV without all the wall connector mess. Who knows, HDMI handshake voodoo.... As I wrote before.. You’ll have to add the length of both passive cables. If one the cables ”just works” without headroom it might fail at any time. Anything above 6ft needs to be of high quality if used with full bandwidth or close.. Even big brands can have issues with cables in 6-12ft.. Then you’ll have to take into account the total length of both cables if used with the processor. Most brands have problems when passing 9-10ft with passive cables.
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Post by SticknStones on Jul 30, 2021 18:22:15 GMT -5
I finally got an XMC-2 after 3 returns where the original return was inadvertently sent to me by accident. Kudos to the team for working with me on it. So now, my roof is being replaced and they took down my dish antenna. I thought I would use the Samsung TV Apps install SiriusXM and still pipe some music for my wife. I have the ARC plugged into the TV and also on the XMC-2. I change to the HDMI/ARC input on the XMC but the TV switches to TV speaker and will not play music through the Audio Return? I then decided to replace all HDMI cables with ones that were labeled 4K. I also have CEC HDMI Anynet as activated Anyone else with the Samsung QLED version not able to get ARC working on the TV Apps?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 30, 2021 21:23:52 GMT -5
I finally got an XMC-2 after 3 returns where the original return was inadvertently sent to me by accident. Kudos to the team for working with me on it. So now, my roof is being replaced and they took down my dish antenna. I thought I would use the Samsung TV Apps install SiriusXM and still pipe some music for my wife. I have the ARC plugged into the TV and also on the XMC-2. I change to the HDMI/ARC input on the XMC but the TV switches to TV speaker and will not play music through the Audio Return? I then decided to replace all HDMI cables with ones that were labeled 4K. I also have CEC HDMI Anynet as activated Anyone else with the Samsung QLED version not able to get ARC working on the TV Apps? Do you have a TOSLink cable you can plug in to have music while you’re sorting out the ARC?
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Post by SticknStones on Jul 30, 2021 21:32:32 GMT -5
I finally got an XMC-2 after 3 returns where the original return was inadvertently sent to me by accident. Kudos to the team for working with me on it. So now, my roof is being replaced and they took down my dish antenna. I thought I would use the Samsung TV Apps install SiriusXM and still pipe some music for my wife. I have the ARC plugged into the TV and also on the XMC-2. I change to the HDMI/ARC input on the XMC but the TV switches to TV speaker and will not play music through the Audio Return? I then decided to replace all HDMI cables with ones that were labeled 4K. I also have CEC HDMI Anynet as activated Anyone else with the Samsung QLED version not able to get ARC working on the TV Apps? Do you have a TOSLink cable you can plug in to have music while you’re sorting out the ARC? Yes, I had that as the XMC-1 configuration. I have my Dish back now and Sirius XM is offered on my package but their is more progress to be made out there in our hobby land. 😋
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Post by Stephen Park on Jul 31, 2021 12:52:54 GMT -5
Hi, I have a simple question. I did not use front wide channel for bi-amp feature when I use Reference Stereo mode because there was echo on both channel, it was confirmed that there is DSP interference when bi-amp is enabled with pure analog source is selected. Nowadays I am very pleased for Dirac enabled "Stereo" mode for analog sources such as my DAC on balanced in and phono stage on analog 1. I do not use Reference Stereo anymore because it is not compete with Dirac adjusted stereo mode. So, when I use Dirac enabled stereo mode, I believe that this is not pure analog mode. So if I use front bi-amp feature enabled, will be some weird effect on front channel again? Anyboby uses bi-amp feature with stereo mode without any problem?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 31, 2021 13:31:29 GMT -5
Hi, I have a simple question. I did not use front wide channel for bi-amp feature when I use Reference Stereo mode because there was echo on both channel, it was confirmed that there is DSP interference when bi-amp is enabled with pure analog source is selected. Nowadays I am very pleased for Dirac enabled "Stereo" mode for analog sources such as my DAC on balanced in and phono stage on analog 1. I do not use Reference Stereo anymore because it is not compete with Dirac adjusted stereo mode. So, when I use Dirac enabled stereo mode, I believe that this is not pure analog mode. So if I use front bi-amp feature enabled, will be some weird effect on front channel again? Anyboby uses bi-amp feature with stereo mode without any problem? Yes, I use the bi-amp feature on my HT Speaker Preset 1, where I don't use Reference Stereo. I actually do something unusual (and lie to my system 😮). My LF & RF output channels are only used for my 2C Speaker Preset 2, those outputs go to their own set of amps and speakers. For HT I use the LWid & RWid output channels that I have configured for Bi-Amp, so they get the same signal as L/R and are connected to the L/R channels on my HT Amp, and on to the L/R HT Speakers. Triggers turn the correct amps on and off as appropriate for the input I'm using. This allows my 2C system to remain 'pure' and I can use Reference, Stereo, and Direct. My HT system can run any mode except Reference Stereo as there would be a delay going to the L/R. The subwoofers are configured to work with both speaker presets. Here's a stripped down diagram of my wiring just showing the connections I described.
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Post by lanescott on Jul 31, 2021 17:24:31 GMT -5
Does anyone know if or when the RMC-1 will be upgraded to fully support HDMI 2.1?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 31, 2021 17:58:13 GMT -5
Does anyone know if or when the RMC-1 will be upgraded to fully support HDMI 2.1? The real answer is that we don’t know when, and they’re not going to tell us until it’s out. This post is the one tidbit I’ve read in the last month or so (first sentence) emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/1072040/thread
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Post by hsamwel on Jul 31, 2021 22:41:57 GMT -5
Does anyone know if or when the RMC-1 will be upgraded to fully support HDMI 2.1? The real answer is that we don’t know when, and they’re not going to tell us until it’s out. This post is the one tidbit I’ve read in the last month or so (first sentence) emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/1072040/threadHmm.. Expansion cards, HDMI 2.1, DTS:X Pro, IMAX Ehanced.. All this year! Will it really happen, considering Emotivas usual delays? Fantastic if true though!
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Post by Stephen Park on Jul 31, 2021 22:53:31 GMT -5
Yes, I use the bi-amp feature on my HT Speaker Preset 1, where I don't use Reference Stereo. I actually do something unusual (and lie to my system 😮). My LF & RF output channels are only used for my 2C Speaker Preset 2, those outputs go to their own set of amps and speakers. For HT I use the LWid & RWid output channels that I have configured for Bi-Amp, so they get the same signal as L/R and are connected to the L/R channels on my HT Amp, and on to the L/R HT Speakers. Triggers turn the correct amps on and off as appropriate for the input I'm using. This allows my 2C system to remain 'pure' and I can use Reference, Stereo, and Direct. My HT system can run any mode except Reference Stereo as there would be a delay going to the L/R. The subwoofers are configured to work with both speaker presets. Here's a stripped down diagram of my wiring just showing the connections I described. View AttachmentOh, that's some unusual connection! You are using different speaker sets for different purposes! So wide channel for using bi-amp feature on stereo mode is no problem at all, right? I drop reference stereo mode because it is difficult to adjust room resonance, using Dirac is much easy and produce really good room correction result.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 31, 2021 23:11:05 GMT -5
Yes, I use the bi-amp feature on my HT Speaker Preset 1, where I don't use Reference Stereo. I actually do something unusual (and lie to my system 😮). My LF & RF output channels are only used for my 2C Speaker Preset 2, those outputs go to their own set of amps and speakers. For HT I use the LWid & RWid output channels that I have configured for Bi-Amp, so they get the same signal as L/R and are connected to the L/R channels on my HT Amp, and on to the L/R HT Speakers. Triggers turn the correct amps on and off as appropriate for the input I'm using. This allows my 2C system to remain 'pure' and I can use Reference, Stereo, and Direct. My HT system can run any mode except Reference Stereo as there would be a delay going to the L/R. The subwoofers are configured to work with both speaker presets. Here's a stripped down diagram of my wiring just showing the connections I described. View AttachmentOh, that's some unusual connection! You are using different speaker sets for different purposes! So wide channel for using bi-amp feature on stereo mode is no problem at all, right? I drop reference stereo mode because it is difficult to adjust room resonance, using Dirac is much easy and produce really good room correction result. Yes, it’s all working well. I was using Dirac on both systems, but now only use it on the HT B&W system, I let the Maggies run naked 😳
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 31, 2021 23:29:28 GMT -5
Hmm.. Expansion cards, HDMI 2.1, DTS:X Pro, IMAX Ehanced.. All this year! Will it really happen, considering Emotivas usual delays? Fantastic if true though! I don’t have any need for 2.1 at the moment, but if it’s faster and/or smoother that would be great. Probably get the most use out of DTS:X Pro and newer Atmos code, but might pick up a balanced card too. Fortunately I don’t NEED anything, just want it all to keep getting refined, but yeah, sooner’s better.
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Post by markc on Aug 1, 2021 1:52:33 GMT -5
I don’t have any need for 2.1 at the moment, but if it’s faster and/or smoother that would be great. Probably get the most use out of DTS:X Pro and newer Atmos code, but might pick up a balanced card too. Fortunately I don’t NEED anything, just want it all to keep getting refined, but yeah, sooner’s better. You are wrong. Sooner will not be better. Likely it will be just as bad. It will have a higher chance of having issues if they rush yet another not-ready-for-market product out (if Emotiva can redefine a higher chance than 100% given their track record so far with these processors)
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Post by tngiloy on Aug 1, 2021 6:07:53 GMT -5
Will HDMI 2.1 require hardware and firmware or just a firmware upgrade ? Assuming I don't change other components, will the monoprice 4K 'premium certified' 18gbps still work, or will newer cables be required ? Looks like their 8K ultra cables are 18gbps also. Is it just new packaging of the same cable ?
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Post by doc1963 on Aug 1, 2021 6:48:14 GMT -5
Will HDMI 2.1 require hardware and firmware or just a firmware upgrade ? Assuming I don't change other components, will the monoprice 4K 'premium certified' 18gbps still work, or will newer cables be required ? Looks like their 8K ultra cables are 18gbps also. Is it just new packaging of the same cable ? The current HDMI board used in the G3 processors are not capable of transmitting neither the speed required by the HDMI 2.1 standard nor are they capable of supporting some of the newer required features (eARC for example). So, both a hardware and firmware change will be required. As for the cables, if your “source” doesn’t support HDMI 2.1 features and doesn’t require a cable which can pass 40-48 Gbps, then your current cable will work just fine for those source components. However, if you have “mixed” sources and any of them requires an HDMI 2.1 48Gbps link, then you will need to replace not only the cable for those components, but also the cable between your G3 processor and your display. All of this, of course, assuming that your display also supports HDMI 2.1 and you’d benefit from the upgrade at all… 😉
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Post by tngiloy on Aug 1, 2021 7:33:51 GMT -5
Will HDMI 2.1 require hardware and firmware or just a firmware upgrade ? Assuming I don't change other components, will the monoprice 4K 'premium certified' 18gbps still work, or will newer cables be required ? Looks like their 8K ultra cables are 18gbps also. Is it just new packaging of the same cable ? The current HDMI board used in the G3 processors are not capable of transmitting neither the speed required by the HDMI 2.1 standard nor are they capable of supporting some of the newer required features (eARC for example). So, both a hardware and firmware change will be required. As for the cables, if your “source” doesn’t support HDMI 2.1 features and doesn’t require a cable which can pass 40-48 Gbps, then your current cable will work just fine for those source components. However, if you have “mixed” sources and any of them requires an HDMI 2.1 48Gbps link, then you will need to replace not only the cable for those components, but also the cable between your G3 processor and your display. All of this, of course, assuming that your display also supports HDMI 2.1 and you’d benefit from the upgrade at all… 😉 Thanks for the clear answer. That's a little disappointing that a new board would be needed, but not at all surprising. 4K is plenty good for me. Will the board swap need to be done at Emo, or will it be like the 4K board in the XMC-1 that could be done at home?
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Post by minthral on Aug 1, 2021 7:57:32 GMT -5
My XMC-2 has been working MUCH better on latest firmware. It used to hang and require power cycles (perhaps cause of why power supply had a failure and I had to send it back for repair). There would be pops and other stuff on HDMI switching or standby. All that is fixed, but I still have the same problem: After sitting a while idle, there is no sound and I have to toggle the unit to standby and off, or full off/on. Before it was hanging and hardly responsive, but now the unit is responsive yet still no sound (only video).
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Post by doc1963 on Aug 1, 2021 8:32:49 GMT -5
The current HDMI board used in the G3 processors are not capable of transmitting neither the speed required by the HDMI 2.1 standard nor are they capable of supporting some of the newer required features (eARC for example). So, both a hardware and firmware change will be required. As for the cables, if your “source” doesn’t support HDMI 2.1 features and doesn’t require a cable which can pass 40-48 Gbps, then your current cable will work just fine for those source components. However, if you have “mixed” sources and any of them requires an HDMI 2.1 48Gbps link, then you will need to replace not only the cable for those components, but also the cable between your G3 processor and your display. All of this, of course, assuming that your display also supports HDMI 2.1 and you’d benefit from the upgrade at all… 😉 Thanks for the clear answer. That's a little disappointing that a new board would be needed, but not at all surprising. 4K is plenty good for me. Will the board swap need to be done at Emo, or will it be like the 4K board in the XMC-1 that could be done at home? It’s unclear (to me) how the HDMI 2.1 upgrade will need to be handled. In the past, only the HDMI board itself needed to be replaced and “could” be done by a technically savvy owner. However, eARC also requires a CEC controller IC that supports it. The CEC controller chip in the G3 processors (and also the XMC-1) doesn’t support eARC and is physically located on the front panel board, not the HDMI board. So, if I’m right, I’m not sure that this level of “upgrade” can be done by the end user unless the current CEC controller IC can be entirely bypassed. Emotiva would need to confirm all of those details once we get closer…
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Post by fjd on Aug 1, 2021 9:30:44 GMT -5
I finally got an XMC-2 after 3 returns where the original return was inadvertently sent to me by accident. Kudos to the team for working with me on it. So now, my roof is being replaced and they took down my dish antenna. I thought I would use the Samsung TV Apps install SiriusXM and still pipe some music for my wife. I have the ARC plugged into the TV and also on the XMC-2. I change to the HDMI/ARC input on the XMC but the TV switches to TV speaker and will not play music through the Audio Return? I then decided to replace all HDMI cables with ones that were labeled 4K. I also have CEC HDMI Anynet as activated Anyone else with the Samsung QLED version not able to get ARC working on the TV Apps?
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Post by fjd on Aug 1, 2021 9:43:14 GMT -5
I have a SAMSUNG Q900TS 65" ---> NO ARC with RMC-1. I'm using Optical 4 for audio when using Apps from TV.
I have had issues in the PAST using a SAMSUNG 55" 800D paired with a XMC-1, but I finally got ARC to work .
Don't ask me what steps I took !!!!!
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