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Post by foggy1956 on Nov 11, 2021 17:15:01 GMT -5
foggy1956 just curious do you also connect at the same time a USB cable into your XMC-2 and then try using the onboard DAC of the XMC-2? I do not, it feeds both movies and music through HDMI |
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Post by routlaw on Nov 11, 2021 18:25:55 GMT -5
When the Mac mini is connected via both HDMI and USB, what is the purpose of each/both? I only have my mini connected via HDMI and have no issues. I'd like to try the "both" version, but need guidance as to what the purpose of using both concurrently would be so I can maybe help see what happens. And if using the USB as the "assigned audio" for the HDMI from the Mac mini, then please guide me with what the audio mode should be. One quick correction, no the USB is NOT an assigned audio for HDMI. Is that even possible. The computer will recognize the USB input as RMC1-L, as does the MIDI setup and subsequently also Audirvana. The HDMI is only for a view of the computer OS to get it up and running if possible. The idea is to use the USB inputs on the RMC-!L rather than HDMI which to me sounds better at least in my system. I have the Mini set to HDMI 3 input and have dedicated another input #6 just for USB @ Reference Stereo mode. The HDMI output on the Mini being obvious for video and or just to view the computer setup and OS. Effectively it is most difficult to even get the Mini to be recognized after both devices have "rested" overnight and it doesn't matter whether or not I intentionally put the Mini to sleep once done with. Most often I will need to reboot the RMC which works perhaps 50% of the time to awake the Mini, and its worth noting the bluetooth keyboards or trackpad are virtually worthless with this setup even with brand new fresh batteries. With external monitor, piece of cake, the Mini comes alive with a tap on the keyboard or trackpad and I simply log in again. But that's not all. Audirvana recommends a computer fresh reboot for each session which I normally comply with and at which point all hell breaks loose if connected to the RMC via HDMI. In most cases the RMC will not recognize the Mini, until once again the RMC is rebooted and if you cross your fingers just right maybe just maybe it will not go into spazz mode with screwed up OSD screen. If that happens, off the goes the power for another full reboot. This scenario can go on for a 2 to 3 iterations maybe more as I lost count last night. It is worth pointing out however even if the USB cable is not connected to the RMC these two devices misbehave very poorly. One last note for clarity, hopefully, the second video out on RMC runs to an external computer monitor, the first to our projector but those two display devices never run at the same time. The monitor is there only to save firing up the PJ just for music. This is convoluted at best but hopefully I have explained it well enough, if not I will take another crack at it. In the meantime I should try the suggestion of just using HDMI only once again to see how well that does both for sound and function. Initially I didn't care for it. |
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Post by routlaw on Nov 11, 2021 18:54:46 GMT -5
Quick update. Connected Mini via HDMI cable only, MIDI only allows multi channel audio and only at 48khz sampling. Launch Audirvana and tried to play some high res from my library at 24/192 but system plays music ssssllllloooowwww much worse than spinning a 78 rpm record at 33.3.. Weird at best. Must have only tried rebook cd previuosly when running via HDMI. Also worth noting this completely blows a hole in the notion that Audirvana completely bypasses the MIDI, obviously it does not.
Thanks, back to the drawing board.
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Post by routlaw on Nov 12, 2021 13:08:05 GMT -5
Just discovered a setting I was not previously aware of found on page 63 of the RMC owners manual. Effectively you can set any of the HDMI inputs to another input for its audio allowing for video/visual for the chosen HDMI input while using in my case USB for audio input. A quick trial run this morning went well, but only time will tell in the long run.
Just for the heck of it I had been wanting to try converting some PCM files to DSD in Audirvana again, but this option using the RMC-1L as the USB DAC apparently does not allow for this. One step forward, one step back. Oh well.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 12, 2021 15:07:55 GMT -5
Nothing to add to the FW discussion but did want to relay some of my thoughts about the new processors below. If nothing else one thing I have learned about the newer G3 Pre-Pros is they do not apparently like to be connected to computers, or at least Apple computers. For the most part other than my M1 Mac Mini, I have had few of the stability issues many complain about in regards to these processors. As of last night however I threw in the towel and disconnected my Mac Mini via its HDMI cable which now goes straight into a 32 inch monitor with USB cable connected to either the RMC-1L or Holo Spring DAC directly. For what ever reason there seems to be a significant issue when attaching both an HDMI cable and USB cable from the same device (Mac Mini in my case) to both respective ports on the RMC-1L. Sometimes it would work but more often than not it required a few processor reboots as well as computer reboots and if done in the wrong sequence what ever that is the RMC-1L went into a spazz mode which required a complete power shut down, not just a reboot. I'll spare everyone all the gory details of computer and processor incompatibility issues for now unless requested but thought any of the new adopters of these devices should be forewarned. Oddly enough I don't ever recall having this issue with the XMC-1. The disappointment is I can no longer use the Mac Mini connected to the processor with HDMI should I want to view some sort of video thing via the computer unless I'm up for wrestling with this issue again. I don't consider this a make or break scenario just disappointing and frustrating at best. I have found this as well, and have the most problems with the mini’s HDMI port, when I’m using USB at the same time (drives, audio devices, whatever). I have found the best way to get Mac video through the RMC is to use a USB-C TO HDMI adapter, then HDMI on to the RMC. The mini then sees that as a DisplayPort connection which it seems to prefer. |
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Post by routlaw on Nov 12, 2021 17:48:51 GMT -5
It appears my issue is now resolved by simply choosing the USB as the preferred audio input for my HDMI Mac Mini input. Clearly the RMC experiences a major conflict if two different audio inputs are in place for one of the HDMI inputs. Even when putting the Mac Mini to sleep, or a complete reboot, the RMC now recognizes the device with no hiccups or spasms. No need for dongles either. Hope this info will be helpful to others.
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Post by autocrat on Nov 14, 2021 19:24:41 GMT -5
It appears my issue is now resolved by simply choosing the USB as the preferred audio input for my HDMI Mac Mini input. Clearly the RMC experiences a major conflict if two different audio inputs are in place for one of the HDMI inputs. Even when putting the Mac Mini to sleep, or a complete reboot, the RMC now recognizes the device with no hiccups or spasms. No need for dongles either. Hope this info will be helpful to others. FWIW I am running Volumio on a Raspberry PI (in fact the Pi that came with the RMC!). I have it connected to the RMC via USB and HDMI, the input is setup up for HDMI video and USB Stream audio. Both audio & video work fine. |
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Post by ElectricKoolAid on Nov 15, 2021 9:57:46 GMT -5
So confused. On Oct 25 Nick posted "The next release will have fixes to bass management as well as enhancements for ARC and HDMI. This release is imminent but we currently do not have an exact date." Is this is reference to 2.4 or 2.5 or 3.0? Confused and frustrated. Clarity and transparency is what we bought into, at least I did. SO much to say, but I will bite my tongue. It has all been said before by others. Also confused...not the news I was hoping for when I returned from vacation  I'm assuming this means that there is an additional firmware release that is coming soon based on Nick's comments but confirmation of this would be great. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Nov 15, 2021 12:11:07 GMT -5
So confused. On Oct 25 Nick posted "The next release will have fixes to bass management as well as enhancements for ARC and HDMI. This release is imminent but we currently do not have an exact date." Is this is reference to 2.4 or 2.5 or 3.0? Confused and frustrated. Clarity and transparency is what we bought into, at least I did. SO much to say, but I will bite my tongue. It has all been said before by others. Also confused...not the news I was hoping for when I returned from vacation I'm assuming this means that there is an additional firmware release that is coming soon based on Nick's comments but confirmation of this would be great. In reading into it, there should be a new release coming....how "soon" is anyone's guess. Assume it will be labeled differently than the newest factory release that Keith mentioned. |
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Post by ttocs on Nov 15, 2021 12:15:18 GMT -5
CEC/ARC Not Working?
I've been able to get ARC and CEC working with each firmware update for well over a year now, just to make sure it works because I don't use either. But this past weekend I tried ARC and failed to get it working. Tried everything except firmware re-flash, but failed.
I decided to run the CEC Loopback Test to verify it is still operating. So I had my Sony TV in a mode for looking for CEC enabled devices and it found none, but as soon as I initiated the test mode to get the list of tests on the processor front panel - BINGO! - the tv found the XMC-2. I switched off the rear power switch and rebooted and ARC/CEC work again. I must assume that the CEC circuitry got confused and became unresponsive, so this test jumpstarted it again.
I post this as another way of testing a tv being able to find the processor, and this is the simplest test I've discovered to do so.
To find the CEC Loopback Test:
Switch off the rear panel power switch.
Press and hold the front panel Power Button and then switch on the rear power switch and keep holding the front panel power button until the front panel is populated with a list of tests, then release the button.
As soon as I did this is when the tv found the processor so I did not need to initiate the CEC Loopback Test, it's already verified to be working.
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Post by ElectricKoolAid on Nov 15, 2021 13:23:44 GMT -5
Also confused...not the news I was hoping for when I returned from vacation I'm assuming this means that there is an additional firmware release that is coming soon based on Nick's comments but confirmation of this would be great. In reading into it, there should be a new release coming....how "soon" is anyone's guess. Assume it will be labeled differently than the newest factory release that Keith mentioned. That's my take away as well, mostly confused on the timing. The words used were "right around the corner” and "imminent" which to me indicates a short amount of time - but this was over 3 weeks ago now.... |
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Post by cawgijoe on Nov 15, 2021 14:13:34 GMT -5
In reading into it, there should be a new release coming....how "soon" is anyone's guess. Assume it will be labeled differently than the newest factory release that Keith mentioned. That's my take away as well, mostly confused on the timing. The words used were "right around the corner” and "imminent" which to me indicates a short amount of time - but this was over 3 weeks ago now.... Yeah....things can change when software updates are involved and something else may have popped up while testing. I would not worry too much, it will come. |
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Post by Lsc on Nov 15, 2021 15:29:35 GMT -5
In reading into it, there should be a new release coming....how "soon" is anyone's guess. Assume it will be labeled differently than the newest factory release that Keith mentioned. That's my take away as well, mostly confused on the timing. The words used were "right around the corner” and "imminent" which to me indicates a short amount of time - but this was over 3 weeks ago now.... DLBC is also “imminent” lol. But seriously I’ve been waiting for DLBC since 2019. If the Onkyo receivers get DLBC before we do, oh well what can we do. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Nov 15, 2021 16:46:56 GMT -5
That's my take away as well, mostly confused on the timing. The words used were "right around the corner” and "imminent" which to me indicates a short amount of time - but this was over 3 weeks ago now.... DLBC is also “imminent” lol. But seriously I’ve been waiting for DLBC since 2019. If the Onkyo receivers get DLBC before we do, oh well what can we do. Didn’t DLBC get introduced in the middle of 2020 by the current processors that feature it and only get working properly 2-3 months ago? That is what I’m recalling I read on the AVS Forum thread where half of the members were threatening for Dirac to reimburse them since it had major flaws at that time. |
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Post by Lsc on Nov 15, 2021 17:43:47 GMT -5
DLBC is also “imminent” lol. But seriously I’ve been waiting for DLBC since 2019. If the Onkyo receivers get DLBC before we do, oh well what can we do. Didn’t DLBC get introduced in the middle of 2020 by the current processors that feature it and only get working properly 2-3 months ago? That is what I’m recalling I read on the AVS Forum thread where half of the members were threatening for Dirac to reimburse them since it had major flaws at that time. Yes that is true. I bought my XMC2 in 2019. I don’t recall that DLBC was just working properly a couple months ago but it was mid 2020 when DLBC was first rolled out to them. We will be in 2022 in 1.5 months - have you heard anything from Emotiva on when DLBC will be coming out for their processors? |
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Post by 5channels on Nov 15, 2021 18:48:55 GMT -5
In the forum chatter, when 2.3 was released earlier this year. Keith mentioned DLBC was still in the delivery queue. This is getting long in the tooth, we all bought into a promise with a list of features, yet here we sit only able to rev the engine. Where's our steering wheel?
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Post by LCSeminole on Nov 15, 2021 20:31:30 GMT -5
I get that some of you want DLBC yesterday/last month/last year. The fact is, it obviously isn’t . Wait for it, or don’t. It will be ready, when Emotiva deems it ready, and asking for a date that they probably don’t know yet isn’t going to make it come any sooner. We’ve been down the promised dates road before, and Emotiva was crucified for every date they missed, well intentioned or not. Now they don’t give any solid dates, and they get crucified for not saying much, if anything(see statement before this and the vicious cycle goes in a circle). Soooooooooooo, ditd, ditd. If they don’t move fast enough for you, then all G3P owners have options, sell and buy that perfect other processor you’ve been eyeing(no such thing), invest in your own home theater company and develop your own home theater processor since it’s so easy to do, or wait. This response isn’t meant to draw anyones ire, or piss on anyones thoughts, but raising one’s blood pressure over something you can’t possibly control is getting you nowhere. So sell and move on, invest and become an AV CEO, or wait. It really is that simple.
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Post by Lsc on Nov 16, 2021 2:50:56 GMT -5
I get that some of you want DLBC yesterday/last month/last year. The fact is, it obviously isn’t . Wait for it, or don’t. It will be ready, when Emotiva deems it ready, and asking for a date that they probably don’t know yet isn’t going to make it come any sooner. We’ve been down the promised dates road before, and Emotiva was crucified for every date they missed, well intentioned or not. Now they don’t give any solid dates, and they get crucified for not saying much, if anything(see statement before this and the vicious cycle goes in a circle). Soooooooooooo, ditd, ditd. If they don’t move fast enough for you, then all G3P owners have options, sell and buy that perfect other processor you’ve been eyeing(no such thing), invest in your own home theater company and develop your own home theater processor since it’s so easy to do, or wait. This response isn’t meant to draw anyones ire, or piss on anyones thoughts, but raising one’s blood pressure over something you can’t possibly control is getting you nowhere. So sell and move on, invest and become an AV CEO, or wait. It really is that simple. I bought the XMC2 with the expectation that DLBC will be one of the features that will be released in the future. Are you saying I can’t ask when it will be released after waiting over 2 years of ownership because Emotiva had issues with delivering on their estimated delivery dates in the past? Also, when I go to a restaurant on a busy night and my steak hasn’t come out for 45 minutes, I shouldn’t ask the waitress to check on my order because it’s not going to come out any faster? I mean I think you have been a good contributor/moderator in these forums but doesn’t this sound pretty preposterous? I don’t like the fact that my Jeep Wrangler cost me $52k and it doesn’t have remote entry because I didn’t realize that it was actually an extra cost option. Is your response to my statement, go own your own automobile company and build your own Jeep and make remote entry standard? No one is throwing their napkins at waitresses here. Just asking a question. But yes, while this will most likely be my last Emotiva product I’ll ever own, I still prefer Emotiva delivering DLBC for $350/500 vs selling my XMC2, taking a loss then spending $4500 for the Monoprice. It’s definitely a money savings move for me and it’s not that serious. Just having conversations and asking questions. Finally, conversations with folks who come over and is impressed with my sound system, I tell them the speakers - I love my Salons and recommend Revels based on your budget pick a line, the Revels won’t disappoint. With my amp I tell ‘em my only experience with ATI is their signature 4000/6000 and for the money they are really good. The XMC2, I tell ‘em, it sounds good and it works good for me, but I wouldn’t recommend it. This from a person who recommended Emotiva everything 7-8 years ago…much has changed. It’s important to do what you say and deliver on your promises - it’s called credibility and integrity. Still…just a pre/pro. I’ll still live if Emotiva never delivers DLBC. Eventually, I’ll move on 😎. |
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Post by cwt on Nov 16, 2021 4:57:58 GMT -5
In reading into it, there should be a new release coming....how "soon" is anyone's guess. Assume it will be labeled differently than the newest factory release that Keith mentioned. That's my take away as well, mostly confused on the timing. The words used were "right around the corner” and "imminent" which to me indicates a short amount of time - but this was over 3 weeks ago now.... A few points that may influence things 1. Emo like to consolidate a lot of fixes in a firmware and not do small fixes at a time 2. 2 separate firmwares ? goes against the long waits between previous firmwares 3. Bass management would likely have been worked on for a long time as evidenced by it being brought up here 4. your spot on 3 weeks ago time wise makes more sense to conglomerate the issues into 1 to make sure code changes mesh with everything else in the code It would be efficacious to have just 1 update rather than twice the chance of bricking something  |
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Post by 5channels on Nov 16, 2021 8:59:57 GMT -5
I get that some of you want DLBC yesterday/last month/last year. The fact is, it obviously isn’t . Wait for it, or don’t. It will be ready, when Emotiva deems it ready, and asking for a date that they probably don’t know yet isn’t going to make it come any sooner. We’ve been down the promised dates road before, and Emotiva was crucified for every date they missed, well intentioned or not. Now they don’t give any solid dates, and they get crucified for not saying much, if anything(see statement before this and the vicious cycle goes in a circle). Soooooooooooo, ditd, ditd. If they don’t move fast enough for you, then all G3P owners have options, sell and buy that perfect other processor you’ve been eyeing(no such thing), invest in your own home theater company and develop your own home theater processor since it’s so easy to do, or wait. This response isn’t meant to draw anyones ire, or piss on anyones thoughts, but raising one’s blood pressure over something you can’t possibly control is getting you nowhere. So sell and move on, invest and become an AV CEO, or wait. It really is that simple. Your passive/aggressive response does not help. It offers nothing. I say back to you, "if you don't like to here folk voice their concerns and stamp their feet a little, perhaps you should check out of this forum. Not trying to raise your blood pressure here...but you know... I doubt very much that anyone, in hindsight, would have invested in a G3P knowing that you are in an endless wait to be able to utilize it's full potential. Not even the fine folk at Emotiva would make such an investment...here's you shiny new warehouse, we'll get back to you on when we'll have the doors figured out so you can actually leverage it's intended purpose. It's not gonna happen. |
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