NicS
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Will the G4 upgrade help quell my RMC1-L frustrations...?
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Post by NicS on Feb 27, 2022 15:14:35 GMT -5
Like many others on this forum, I have persisted with the RMC1-L where with any other product or company, I think I would have given up long ago.
I like Emotiva. I like the products, I like their company ethos, I like their customer support, I just wish these recurrent issues that have plagued my use of this processor had been solves a year ago. To recap, below is a list of issues that I have:
* HDMI handshake issues - I mean this one is a major one. I just can't get through the week without having my hands at the back of the unit unplugging and plugging HDMI cable trying to get the Blu-ray to work.
* Pops and crackles - when the ATV4 changes between shows, or there is a change of sound format, I either get a strange compressed sound that is clearly wrong, or a pop or crackle as the format changes. Highly annoying.
* SACD - there should be some way of simply setting levels in DSD Direct mode. Otherwise you have to a manually adjust the trims every time. So annoying. If the front three channels were direct and the sub and surrounds adjustable for distance and level, that would work.
* Stereo Subs - this is a no brainer. There should really be a stereo sub mode for 2-channel music.
* DSD over USB - why on earth is this disabled?
* High latency when changing inputs - I just don't understand my a cheap Sony will switch inputs immediately, but my RMC-1L takes ages.
* A better App. I mean, if I design one, would other like to use it? One where the inputs are labeled with user-names and the volume is easier to use.
Maybe there will be a resolution to this with the mythical v3 firmware? Maybe it will be in 2024? Maybe it will get resolved in an entirely new processor... who knows.
My loyalty to Emotiva is stretched but not broken yet.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Feb 27, 2022 15:44:00 GMT -5
* A better App. I mean, if I design one, would other like to use it? One where the inputs are labeled with user-names and the volume is easier to use. So I’d be up for an App that took advantage of more of the G3Ps capabilities, but they haven’t published the API with any additional functions. To me it’s not the ‘design’ that’s the problem (though I’d do it differently as well), what we need is someone who can code to the unique API (is that you?). That said, the existing App does use the User Defined ‘Name’ from the setup (left column).  |
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Post by autocrat on Feb 27, 2022 16:19:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the input guys, answers to questions; I am streaming from the current generation Apple TV4k 120hz I'm in Australia and we only have one level of streaming from Netflix, AppleTV+, Disney etc etc. If the program has it then they have the top level video (4K HDR or Dolby Vision) and the top level audio (Atmos, DTS-X). ... Cheers Gary Nah. Netflix: 3 plan levels, only the top one has UHD/Atmos Disney+ only has one plan but they'll drop support for UHD/Atmos in and out when they feel like it. Amazon Prime has only one plan level. Stan has 3 levels, only the top one has UHD/Atmos. With all of the above streaming services: - All of the audio is max DD+
- It seems that Atmos is only available with UHD content.
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Post by hsamwel on Feb 27, 2022 18:27:06 GMT -5
Our processor is NOT going to report LPCM when it is receiving TrueHD - or the reverse. (Attempting to "decode" either one as the other would result in no audio - and they are entirely different formats.)
Dolby MAT is a way of "encapsulating Dolby Atmos inside another format".
In general we report the format we are receiving rather than what is encapsulated inside it. (I don't know exactly how we report MAT inside LPCM.)
Dolby has quite a few requirements about how various formats are supposed to be described...
We follow them as carefully and correctly as we can - but not everybody else does. (For example, if you have a 5.1 channel system, 5.1 channel TrueHD-based Atmos content WILL NOT be described as Atmos, as per Dolby's guidelines.)
How things like Atmos and MAT are handled will also depend, not only on the source SERVICE, but on the source DEVICE. For example an AppleTV is going to send Atmos from Netflix via MAT... but a different device may not.
It's also going to be different if ARC is involved (as far as I know no TV supports MAT via ARC - although they certainly could).
(I'm not the one to talk to about the finer details about which device does it which way.)
I have a whole mail conversation were many of the ”big names” tell me this ”misidentify” is completely correct and they aren’t allowed to change it anyway.  I told them that NONE of the other manufacturers call MAT/PCM TrueHD. And the source is Dolby Digital Plus, which is lossy. They still wouldn’t understand or were willing to do anything about it. As with many things you suggest that would make this processor even better or correct.. After a while you understand that it’s no use trying to help them because they won’t change anything, even wrong things. So unless it’s a major bug I’m not even mailing them anymore regarding improvements. What I have been told is that Dolby does NOT require you to report TrueHD as input signal. That is included in the MAT 2.0 by design from Apple. You only read it from the meta data. Most manufacturers WANT to report the correct input signal so they change this for MAT. This to not confuse the users. This has nothing to do with the requirement to report Dolby Atmos as the output mode. Don’t know why you talk about decoding.. This is ONLY for the info/status of the bitstream/input signal. Showing what signal the processor is recieving correctly is more important than showing a signal with wrong meta data just for the sake of it. IMO anyway.. |
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Post by hsamwel on Feb 27, 2022 18:31:00 GMT -5
* A better App. I mean, if I design one, would other like to use it? One where the inputs are labeled with user-names and the volume is easier to use. So I’d be up for an App that took advantage of more of the G3Ps capabilities, but they haven’t published the API with any additional functions. To me it’s not the ‘design’ that’s the problem (though I’d do it differently as well), what we need is someone who can code to the unique API (is that you?). That said, the existing App does use the User Defined ‘Name’ from the setup. <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> It would be nice with some graphics though.. This app, as well as the processor menus, looks very dated and extremely simple. Like something done in the ’80s on MSDOS. |
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Post by hsamwel on Feb 27, 2022 18:41:02 GMT -5
Like many others on this forum, I have persisted with the RMC1-L where with any other product or company, I think I would have given up long ago. I like Emotiva. I like the products, I like their company ethos, I like their customer support, I just wish these recurrent issues that have plagued my use of this processor had been solves a year ago. To recap, below is a list of issues that I have: * HDMI handshake issues - I mean this one is a major one. I just can't get through the week without having my hands at the back of the unit unplugging and plugging HDMI cable trying to get the Blu-ray to work. * Pops and crackles - when the ATV4 changes between shows, or there is a change of sound format, I either get a strange compressed sound that is clearly wrong, or a pop or crackle as the format changes. Highly annoying. * SACD - there should be some way of simply setting levels in DSD Direct mode. Otherwise you have to a manually adjust the trims every time. So annoying. If the front three channels were direct and the sub and surrounds adjustable for distance and level, that would work. * Stereo Subs - this is a no brainer. There should really be a stereo sub mode for 2-channel music. * DSD over USB - why on earth is this disabled? * High latency when changing inputs - I just don't understand my a cheap Sony will switch inputs immediately, but my RMC-1L takes ages. * A better App. I mean, if I design one, would other like to use it? One where the inputs are labeled with user-names and the volume is easier to use. Maybe there will be a resolution to this with the mythical v3 firmware? Maybe it will be in 2024? Maybe it will get resolved in an entirely new processor... who knows. My loyalty to Emotiva is stretched but not broken yet. My guess is that possibly one of those will get fixed this year. But I think not in the way that will satisfy you. If you check back in a year I’ll bet you will have the same issues! The amazing thing about the high latency switching is that Dan said this processor had amazingly fast processors. So what’s holding down the switching? |
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Post by Lsc on Feb 27, 2022 20:27:28 GMT -5
It would be nice to have as I finally got a second sub. But Emotiva has gone radio silent with not only this but just in general about G3P. Might be time for a miniDSP and give up on DLBC. Which I am not ready for yet, because this means I won’t be getting DLBC even if/when they come out with it. I really wonder if it's worth it at this point. I get really good results using a miniDSP 2x4 Balanced and two subs, along with Dirac Live. I'm certainly capable of tweaking crossovers for best results by doing REW measurements. So the only thing left that I know of is some possible extra phase alignment between pairs of speakers and the subs that I can't do in the G3P. I'm not really sure about that, or how audible the benefit would be. I wonder if anyone has done a real comparison of a DLBC implementation with two or four subs vs a miniDSP + Dirac Live.. That would be an interesting test. Maybe I’ll email audioholics so they can do the test and have one of those 1.5 hour YouTube videos with the one guys stammering to find the right words and eventually put me to sleep 😴. But seriously, that would demonstrate the value of DLBC. It could be you IF we ever get DLBC 😊. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 27, 2022 22:13:53 GMT -5
Nah. Netflix: 3 plan levels, only the top one has UHD/Atmos Disney+ only has one plan but they'll drop support for UHD/Atmos in and out when they feel like it. Amazon Prime has only one plan level. Stan has 3 levels, only the top one has UHD/Atmos. With all of the above streaming services: - All of the audio is max DD+
- It seems that Atmos is only available with UHD content.
Don't know about the other services. Thanks, learn something new every day, we always share all streaming services amongst 4 family log ins, so by default we get the higher level of video and audio quality. Didn't even know there were lower levels. I pay the Prime subscription, my son in law pays for Disney, my daughter pays for Netflix and my son pays for Stan. My wife also pays for Britbox (no UHD/Atmos there) which is not shared around. My son and my daughter also have NBA subscriptions so we can share them a bit too. Pretty cheap streaming all round. Cheers Gary |
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Post by autocrat on Feb 27, 2022 23:11:55 GMT -5
Nah. Netflix: 3 plan levels, only the top one has UHD/Atmos Disney+ only has one plan but they'll drop support for UHD/Atmos in and out when they feel like it. Amazon Prime has only one plan level. Stan has 3 levels, only the top one has UHD/Atmos. With all of the above streaming services: - All of the audio is max DD+
- It seems that Atmos is only available with UHD content.
Don't know about the other services. Thanks, learn something new every day, we always share all streaming services amongst 4 family log ins, so by default we get the higher level of video and audio quality. Didn't even know there were lower levels. I pay the Prime subscription, my son in law pays for Disney, my daughter pays for Netflix and my son pays for Stan. My wife also pays for Britbox (no UHD/Atmos there) which is not shared around. My son and my daughter also have NBA subscriptions so we can share them a bit too. Pretty cheap streaming all round. Cheers Gary We do the same thing. Including Britbox. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 27, 2022 23:18:24 GMT -5
Week 4, it's been raining almost every day here so plenty of watching/listening time. Cable streaming, ATV4K, a couple of BD movies and a few SACD's, all good no issues and with 5.1.2 when the source has it. Have only done 1 cold start while I added the 2 height speakers, that's it. WAF is pretty good, the slow lock on is the only irritant. Outputs to amps via XLR balanced cables, video/video via really short (50 cm and 75 cm) HDMI cables
So far no issues with changing sources, no pops or crackles and I recognise that there is a reason why DSD didn't take off (no adjusting), a big mono sub works well in the room, plus it's so much easier to tune,
On apps, I'm not sure I could be bothered picking up the iPhone/iPad, doing the facial rec thing and firing up the app just to change inputs or volume, which is really all that I do. The remote is much easier/faster.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 27, 2022 23:22:44 GMT -5
Thanks, learn something new every day, we always share all streaming services amongst 4 family log ins, so by default we get the higher level of video and audio quality. Didn't even know there were lower levels. I pay the Prime subscription, my son in law pays for Disney, my daughter pays for Netflix and my son pays for Stan. My wife also pays for Britbox (no UHD/Atmos there) which is not shared around. My son and my daughter also have NBA subscriptions so we can share them a bit too. Pretty cheap streaming all round. We do the same thing. Including Britbox. Great minds think alike, I'm not sure why more of my friends don't share their streaming around. Cheers Gary |
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Post by fjd on Feb 28, 2022 12:59:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the input guys, answers to questions; I am streaming from the current generation Apple TV4k 120hz I'm in Australia and we only have one level of streaming from Netflix, AppleTV+, Disney etc etc. If the program has it then they have the top level video (4K HDR or Dolby Vision) and the top level audio (Atmos, DTS-X). ... Cheers Gary Nah. Netflix: 3 plan levels, only the top one has UHD/Atmos Disney+ only has one plan but they'll drop support for UHD/Atmos in and out when they feel like it. Amazon Prime has only one plan level. Stan has 3 levels, only the top one has UHD/Atmos. With all of the above streaming services: - All of the audio is max DD+
- It seems that Atmos is only available with UHD content.
Don't know about the other services. |
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Post by fjd on Feb 28, 2022 13:11:12 GMT -5
I was watching a DANISH series on NETFLIX labeled ULTA 4K/ ATMOS. It turns out that only the ULTRA 4K / ATMOS only applies to it
if you are watching/Listening to it in its ORIGINAL DANISH. If you switch the AUDIO stream to ENGLISH 5.1 (Dubbed), that's what
you are limited to. < NETFLIX PREMIUM >
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Post by napsterau on Mar 1, 2022 0:38:08 GMT -5
Just lodged a fault with Emotiva but thought id check if anyone else has had this issue.
My XMC-2 audio is dropping out for no reason.
It's not source related as i switched over to the tuner and had no audio their either.
The built in test tone for speaker levels doesn't play anything either.
All the amps are still on and operating as per normal.
I have done the following,
1. Hard Reboot
2. Factory Reset
3. Firmware Update ( Failed on First attemp with EDA2 Reboot and Retry) Succesful on 2nd attempt after hard reboot.
4. Unplugged HDMI devices.
None of the above have helped.
Things i have noticed is if i switch preset then my audio returns but will stop again after a short time.
I have minimal hours on this unit so it will be sad if it's indded failing.
Any ideas?
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 1, 2022 9:15:06 GMT -5
We do the same thing. Including Britbox. Hadn't heard of Stan until now. Do they have a channel lineup? Not so much the shows they carry but actual TV channels (if any)? I checked their site and it reminds me a lot of Redbox's approach to their content. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 1, 2022 18:59:50 GMT -5
We do the same thing. Including Britbox. Hadn't heard of Stan until now. Do they have a channel lineup? Not so much the shows they carry but actual TV channels (if any)? I checked their site and it reminds me a lot of Redbox's approach to their content. Not sure what you mean by "channels", but on Stan we watch Yellowstone, Billions, Zoey's Extraordinary Playlist, City on a Hill, The Handmaid's Tale (wife's favourite), Better Call Saul and Hacks. Cheers Gary |
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Post by cwmcobra on Mar 1, 2022 20:19:10 GMT -5
Just spinning my first Bluray movie and find I have no center channel audio. I'll bet I'm missing a setting somewhere. Any ideas?
Thanks!
Chuck
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Post by geebo on Mar 1, 2022 20:31:12 GMT -5
Just spinning my first Bluray movie and find I have no center channel audio. I'll bet I'm missing a setting somewhere. Any ideas? Thanks! Chuck When you go into Levels in Speaker Setup do you get the test tone through the center channel? |
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Post by cwmcobra on Mar 1, 2022 20:57:18 GMT -5
Sorry, false alarm. I somehow did not have the XLR hooked up to the center channel amp. Sounds great now! Color me very embarrassed!  |
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Post by Thunderduck on Mar 1, 2022 21:08:17 GMT -5
Don't feel bad, I've done worse.
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