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Post by Lsc on Mar 4, 2022 1:58:02 GMT -5
Every time I have to reboot the XMC-2 and then power on it reminds me Rethink HighEnd And every time I read this thread I have to wonder if thats what I should be doing... but still I keep hoping that one day soon It will just work as it was intended to like near everything else in my hifi/ht setup forever hopeful It would nice if they can make that a customizable label. So I can input “no promises  ”. The day will come! Or my equity bonus will be fully vested and I’ll be getting a Trinnov or something similar. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 4, 2022 8:45:58 GMT -5
Same here, other than slow the response my XMC-2 does everything I need it to do, but my requirements are simple, 5.1.2, with only 3 sources a cable box, ATV4K and Sony 4K BD player (plays SACD's too). My analogue stereo listening is handled by the XSP-1 with turn table and ERC-3 inputs. This weekend it is DIRAC implementation time, the significant other will be out of the house for couple of hours tomorrow so I can make as much "noise" as I like. You may notice off-center image and very low level volume post Dirac if the calibration doesn’t go right. Thanks for the tip, I’ll look out for it. Cheers Gary |
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 4, 2022 9:20:04 GMT -5
Hadn't heard of Stan until now. Do they have a channel lineup? Not so much the shows they carry but actual TV channels (if any)? I checked their site and it reminds me a lot of Redbox's approach to their content. Not sure what you mean by "channels", but on Stan we watch Yellowstone, Billions, Zoey's Extraordinary Playlist, City on a Hill, The Handmaid's Tale (wife's favourite), Better Call Saul and Hacks. Things like ESPN, MTV, The History Channel, The Sci-Fi channel, ABC, CBS, etc… vs. the shows you listed. |
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Post by drabbs on Mar 4, 2022 15:52:23 GMT -5
This weekend it is DIRAC implementation time, the significant other will be out of the house for couple of hours tomorrow so I can make as much "noise" as I like. Cheers Gary Gary, the Dirac interface is different now, but I strongly recommend looking at this YouTube video from Storm Audio. I even followed their mic locations, made a massive difference to the sound I got from my first calibration. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwCmMY9j6AA&t=69sIan |
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Post by alexreusch on Mar 4, 2022 16:36:47 GMT -5
This weekend it is DIRAC implementation time, the significant other will be out of the house for couple of hours tomorrow so I can make as much "noise" as I like. Cheers Gary Gary, the Dirac interface is different now, but I strongly recommend looking at this YouTube video from Storm Audio. I even followed their mic locations, made a massive difference to the sound I got from my first calibration. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwCmMY9j6AA&t=69sIan Did you try their target curves as well? I think that should work for Emotiva as well, not? |
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Post by marcl on Mar 4, 2022 17:06:24 GMT -5
This weekend it is DIRAC implementation time, the significant other will be out of the house for couple of hours tomorrow so I can make as much "noise" as I like. Cheers Gary Gary, the Dirac interface is different now, but I strongly recommend looking at this YouTube video from Storm Audio. I even followed their mic locations, made a massive difference to the sound I got from my first calibration. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwCmMY9j6AA&t=69sIan + Gary Cook Here's a case where a manufacturers' tutorial deviates significantly from the experience of many of us in this and other forums, as well as recommendations from Dirac. I don't mean to be critical of you posting the link, Ian ... the illustrations are helpful and for the most part the information is okay. But there are a couple things that could cause some serious trouble if followed exactly, depending on a system's speaker efficiency and amplifier power: - The recommendation that the volume levels be set to -18 or 19db if the ambient noise is -48db is dangerous. In my system the subwoofer can be set to that level, but all other speakers can't be set to higher than -25db or the calibration tones will be VERY loud causing clipping and Dirac will abort the measurement. Other systems may have no issue, or may require even lower settings.
- The recommendation to start with the Master at -25 is dangerous. Without knowing the efficiency of the speakers, starting with a value this high could result in a VERY loud noise when the first speaker is measured and Dirac does not have a safety cutoff in volume calibration page. It is MUCH safer to start with the Master at zero and calibrate to the quietest speaker first and raise the level to a comfortable point. It's always best to start quiet and raise a level gradually, than to have a potentially damaging abrupt sound and have to leap to turn it down.
- Recommendation to follow the old 9 point measurement pattern is strange. I guess that's Storm Audio's opinion, but Dirac folks have explained their recommendations in interviews and podcasts and why they include multiple options. No harm in using the old 9 point pattern, but understand it's Storm's opinion and not Dirac's method.
- Going back and forth from the Measurement page to the Filter Design page can cause issues. Dirac does "preprocessing" when you go to the Filter Design page and I have had an exchange with Dirac support on this when I had problems going back and forth. I suspected that going back and forth some preprocessing could not be "undone". The Dirac support person could not give me a direct answer and so agreed that it was not a good idea to go back and forth.
- Note that around minute 12:00 he refers to options only relevant to Dirac Live Bass Management ... which are not relevant to Emotiva products.
- Information after minute 14 is not relevant to Emotiva products. In particular, we can't adjust delay after the calibration.
I think it's useful to watch lots of videos and tutorials, but note than some contain conflicting information that may no longer be relevant, and may even reflect a misunderstanding of how Dirac operated. Again ... I don't mean to be critical, but the volume calibration stuff is really important as some people have literally blown speakers by following some online recommendations. Here's a very safe way to do volume calibration. mehlau.net/audio/dirac-live-2-mic-speaker-levels/ |
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Post by tngiloy on Mar 4, 2022 17:18:26 GMT -5
Maybe it's time for Emotiva to update its Dirac instructions/video.
Unless, of course, the Emo techs are lonesome and want a lot of calls to answer questions that could be answered by a well written manual and/or a well-produced YT video.
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Post by marcl on Mar 4, 2022 17:22:41 GMT -5
Maybe it's time for Emotiva to update its Dirac instructions/video. Unless, of course, the Emo techs are lonesome and want a lot of calls to answer questions that could be answered by a well written manual and/or a well-produced YT video. For sure ... as long as they get someone who's done dozens of calibrations and understands how Dirac actually works from having used it. I would not trust a word any support person says about Dirac, except maybe if they work for Dirac ... and even then, not 100%.  |
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Post by tngiloy on Mar 4, 2022 17:41:44 GMT -5
What are you and ttocs this weekend??
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Post by ttocs on Mar 4, 2022 18:44:56 GMT -5
^^^^ He funny.
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Post by thompson12 on Mar 4, 2022 19:22:38 GMT -5
What are you and ttocs this weekend?? If I didn't know any better I'd say they were EMO's main support team without a paycheck. Mitch |
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Post by hsamwel on Mar 5, 2022 4:28:31 GMT -5
Maybe it's time for Emotiva to update its Dirac instructions/video. Unless, of course, the Emo techs are lonesome and want a lot of calls to answer questions that could be answered by a well written manual and/or a well-produced YT video. For sure ... as long as they get someone who's done dozens of calibrations and understands how Dirac actually works from having used it. I would not trust a word any support person says about Dirac, except maybe if they work for Dirac ... and even then, not 100%. Good thing that Emotiva techs have used Dirac (and calibrated?) several times during the years with two gens of prepro’s then..  In some cases it’s actually refreshing to hear Emotiva techs talk about tech, gear, cables, power and such things. I have hifi devices were the manufacturer tells the users they will get magic from a 1m power cable at the end, as well as buying a lot of other ”needed” extras to improve sound. It’s like they are (hifi-)users and not techs. IMO hardware manufacturers should refrain from these ”recommendations”. If customers feels they ”need” it then let them come to this conclusion themselves. |
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Post by hsamwel on Mar 5, 2022 4:30:08 GMT -5
So when is it done?  |
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Post by marcl on Mar 5, 2022 8:39:34 GMT -5
For sure ... as long as they get someone who's done dozens of calibrations and understands how Dirac actually works from having used it. I would not trust a word any support person says about Dirac, except maybe if they work for Dirac ... and even then, not 100%. Good thing that Emotiva techs have used Dirac (and calibrated?) several times during the years with two gens of prepro’s then..  In some cases it’s actually refreshing to hear Emotiva techs talk about tech, gear, cables, power and such things. I have hifi devices were the manufacturer tells the users they will get magic from a 1m power cable at the end, as well as buying a lot of other ”needed” extras to improve sound. It’s like they are (hifi-)users and not techs. IMO hardware manufacturers should refrain from these ”recommendations”. If customers feels they ”need” it then let them come to this conclusion themselves. Okay maybe I'm too harsh implying that NO tech support people have enough experience with Dirac to do a proper tutorial. I'm just so tired of seeing videos and forum posts with blatant inaccuracies. My complaint about Dirac support - even though they write back and actually try to help - is that they also keep bugging me to use the Harman curves .... and there is no technical or psychoacoustic justification for that. So in my mind they lose credibility. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Mar 5, 2022 9:03:25 GMT -5
… Okay maybe I'm too harsh implying that NO tech support people have enough experience with Dirac to do a proper tutorial. I'm just so tired of seeing videos and forum posts with blatant inaccuracies. … I agree and don’t feel it’s helpful for Emotiva, JBL, Monoprice, and the others, to try and ‘teach’ people about Dirac and how to use it. Dirac (and those who specialize in Dirac), will always be one step ahead, and will be the best resources for ‘how to’ videos and documents. At most, Emo should have resources on how to hook up the EDNIB and ensuring the system is licensed and ready to run Dirac. Once you’ve launched the Dirac software, Dirac should be your resource (along with helpful and knowledgeable users like you). |
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Post by marcl on Mar 5, 2022 10:18:11 GMT -5
… Okay maybe I'm too harsh implying that NO tech support people have enough experience with Dirac to do a proper tutorial. I'm just so tired of seeing videos and forum posts with blatant inaccuracies. … I agree and don’t feel it’s helpful for Emotiva, JBL, Monoprice, and the others, to try and ‘teach’ people about Dirac and how to use it. Dirac (and those who specialize in Dirac), will always be one step ahead, and will be the best resources for ‘how to’ videos and documents. At most, Emo should have resources on how to hook up the EDNIB and ensuring the system is licensed and ready to run Dirac. Once you’ve launched the Dirac software, Dirac should be your resource (along with helpful and knowledgeable users like you). And I accept the responsibility to back up what I say with experimental evidence and references to actual statements from the Dirac founder and marketing manager who speak often on these subjects. |
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Post by markc on Mar 5, 2022 11:57:55 GMT -5
Just FYI... the ability to use the Dolby Upmixer with DTS content and vice versa is on our road map for the next MAJOR firmware update. Erm, isn't the imminent one (described as imminent 4 months ago, I might add!) mean to be the next MAJOR firmware update? I'm guessing we're talking the next major update after the promised but never seen major update. |
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Post by AntonP on Mar 5, 2022 12:01:20 GMT -5
Does RMC-1 second zone dac(s) is the same as front channels dac(s)?
thinking about 2 pairs of fronts (one for stereo)
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Post by bblv on Mar 5, 2022 12:23:15 GMT -5
No sign of channel expansion cards and I’m still getting random LOUD snaps at turn-on and random crackle/pops when switching sources/codecs.
Anyone home at Emo?
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Post by cwmcobra on Mar 5, 2022 14:50:47 GMT -5
Question on flexibility of remote control. In my 9.4.6 setup the left and right subwoofer outputs are configured to the rear heights instead of the subs. So the subwoofer output is from the center subwoofer out. With this configuration I find that the subwoofer trim on the remote control is disabled, presumably because the left and right subs are configured for the rear heights. Is there a way to assign the center sub to the subwoofer trim buttons on the remote?
The only way I've found to adjust subwoofer output level is to go into the speaker levels menu. And that defeats the ability to adjust on the fly....
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