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Post by MukAudio on Jul 7, 2009 20:06:59 GMT -5
How is this DAC going to compare to those in the XMC-1? I guess I am wondering if I need this DAC if I already have the ERC-1 and the XMC-1 would take care of any DAC duties from a computer, media server, etc.
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Post by akai on Jul 7, 2009 20:18:22 GMT -5
An interesting stance to take? Why would I want to pay more if I can get a good DAC for a good price?
If EMO wants to do a DAC based on the same DAC as the ERC-1, then EMO might as well incorporate the access to DAC on the ERC-1, everything that is needed for a DAC is already there. The additional cost would be minor, this will allow the owner to be able to just throw in a CD instead of firing up his/her computer to play some music. There are times when I just play one CD through my CDP because I may only half an hour to kill. A combo CDP/DAC would accomplish both at a reasonable additional cost to the ERC-1 (just like the Cambridge A - 840C).
I believe the new McIntosh MCD 500 uses the Sabre chip, however, the design and the implementation of the MCD 500 is their own design.
I am with you on the EMO's philosophy of good value for $$$ that is why I think that EMO can design and build a medium/high quality DAC to compete with Benchmark/Del Canto at a much more competitive price. EMO may have the economy of scale that other niches players do not have (Neko, Stello).
Why would I want to pay more if I can get a good DAC for a good price?
There already are tons of good to excellent (for this price point) sub $500 DACs out there . I am not sure if we need another one. I am not sure if EMO will be able to attract the crowd that are in this target market. What I think is an opportunity for EMO is to produce the Benchmark USB quality or higher (both the built and sound) and priced it very very competitively to attract a mid level DAC buyers. Since DAC is still a hot product and assuming that EMO can succeed in its new DAC, it will be a proof of its "best bang for the buck" philisophy to the general public, leverage this to the rest of the product lines and ........there is not limit to future success.
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Post by ratmice on Jul 7, 2009 20:53:46 GMT -5
I would probably pick one of these up in a heartbeat. Ideal for plugging in the old airport express to stream all the tunes on my Mac.
Now here comes the problem. I can currently stream, via wireless, 5.1 DTS audio through the very same Airport Express. Would this kind of product allow some method of also passing through a digital signal? That way I could get all the DAC goodness for the 2-channel music AND still utilize the 5.1 digital files via my HT pre/pro.
I would add my vote for 24/96 minimum. I have many hi-rez files and more seem to be appearing everyday.
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Post by jlafrenz on Jul 7, 2009 21:08:35 GMT -5
An interesting stance to take? Why would I want to pay more if I can get a good DAC for a good price?If EMO wants to do a DAC based on the same DAC as the ERC-1, then EMO might as well incorporate the access to DAC on the ERC-1, everything that is needed for a DAC is already there. The additional cost would be minor, this will allow the owner to be able to just throw in a CD instead of firing up his/her computer to play some music. There are times when I just play one CD through my CDP because I may only half an hour to kill. A combo CDP/DAC would accomplish both at a reasonable additional cost to the ERC-1 (just like the Cambridge A - 840C). I believe the new McIntosh MCD 500 uses the Sabre chip, however, the design and the implementation of the MCD 500 is their own design. I am with you on the EMO's philosophy of good value for $$$ that is why I think that EMO can design and build a medium/high quality DAC to compete with Benchmark/Del Canto at a much more competitive price. EMO may have the economy of scale that other niches players do not have (Neko, Stello). Why would I want to pay more if I can get a good DAC for a good price?There already are tons of good to excellent (for this price point) sub $500 DACs out there . I am not sure if we need another one. I am not sure if EMO will be able to attract the crowd that are in this target market. What I think is an opportunity for EMO is to produce the Benchmark USB quality or higher (both the built and sound) and priced it very very competitively to attract a mid level DAC buyers. Since DAC is still a hot product and assuming that EMO can succeed in its new DAC, it will be a proof of its "best bang for the buck" philisophy to the general public, leverage this to the rest of the product lines and ........there is not limit to future success. mP If you only have half an hour to kill, why would you want to spend most of it changing out CD's when you could just make a play list on a PC? |
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Post by Lonnie on Jul 7, 2009 21:13:36 GMT -5
An interesting stance to take? Why would I want to pay more if I can get a good DAC for a good price?If EMO wants to do a DAC based on the same DAC as the ERC-1, then EMO might as well incorporate the access to DAC on the ERC-1, everything that is needed for a DAC is already there. The additional cost would be minor, this will allow the owner to be able to just throw in a CD instead of firing up his/her computer to play some music. There are times when I just play one CD through my CDP because I may only half an hour to kill. A combo CDP/DAC would accomplish both at a reasonable additional cost to the ERC-1 (just like the Cambridge A - 840C). I believe the new McIntosh MCD 500 uses the Sabre chip, however, the design and the implementation of the MCD 500 is their own design. I am with you on the EMO's philosophy of good value for $$$ that is why I think that EMO can design and build a medium/high quality DAC to compete with Benchmark/Del Canto at a much more competitive price. EMO may have the economy of scale that other niches players do not have (Neko, Stello). Why would I want to pay more if I can get a good DAC for a good price?There already are tons of good to excellent (for this price point) sub $500 DACs out there . I am not sure if we need another one. I am not sure if EMO will be able to attract the crowd that are in this target market. What I think is an opportunity for EMO is to produce the Benchmark USB quality or higher (both the built and sound) and priced it very very competitively to attract a mid level DAC buyers. Since DAC is still a hot product and assuming that EMO can succeed in its new DAC, it will be a proof of its "best bang for the buck" philisophy to the general public, leverage this to the rest of the product lines and ........there is not limit to future success. mP If you only have half an hour to kill, why would you want to spend most of it changing out CD's when you could just make a play list on a PC? I LOVE CDs...like the cases, the art, the words...but I think in the near future, CDs are just the source...used to load music onto a server. |
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Post by jlafrenz on Jul 7, 2009 21:17:27 GMT -5
If you only have half an hour to kill, why would you want to spend most of it changing out CD's when you could just make a play list on a PC? I LOVE CDs...like the cases, the art, the words...but I think in the near future, CDs are just the source...used to load music onto a server. BINGO! |
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Post by oscartheclimber on Jul 7, 2009 21:38:35 GMT -5
If you only have half an hour to kill, why would you want to spend most of it changing out CD's when you could just make a play list on a PC? I LOVE CDs...like the cases, the art, the words...but I think in the near future, CDs are just the source...used to load music onto a server. After that you get to hang them from your rearview mirror. ;D |
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Post by Lonnie on Jul 7, 2009 21:40:10 GMT -5
I LOVE CDs...like the cases, the art, the words...but I think in the near future, CDs are just the source...used to load music onto a server. After that you get to hang them from your rearview mirror. ;D Me? I'll stack them against the wall, along with those obscure things called 'books'! |
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Post by jlafrenz on Jul 7, 2009 21:46:57 GMT -5
I LOVE CDs...like the cases, the art, the words...but I think in the near future, CDs are just the source...used to load music onto a server. After that you get to hang them from your rearview mirror. ;D Coasters for me  |
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Post by Lonnie on Jul 7, 2009 21:52:22 GMT -5
After that you get to hang them from your rearview mirror. ;D Coasters for me Within the next ten years, we will move from 'tangible' media to server based media, to imaginary media.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2009 22:19:57 GMT -5
OOO I'd buy one for sure, the only reason I haven't bought a erc-1 is I hate playing 1 cd at a time. my pc and flac are great but this DAC would make things quite nifty!
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Post by Lonnie on Jul 7, 2009 22:22:18 GMT -5
OOO I'd buy one for sure, the only reason I haven't bought a erc-1 is I hate playing 1 cd at a time. my pc and flac are great but this DAC would make things quite nifty! Yeah...it's not an argument...media is moving towards sever vs. tangible. We can't stop it. |
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Post by akai on Jul 7, 2009 22:39:36 GMT -5
If you only have half an hour to kill, why would you want to spend most of it changing out CD's when you could just make a play list on a PC? It takes time to turn on a PC and wait for it to boot up. HP has tried to build media PC that you can play whatever you want immediately without boothing up the operating system and loading up the craplets but I do not know if it is well received. Turning on a CDP and play a CD takes not time at all. NO need to wait for the PC to boot up. As I said, while I currently stream music on a regular basis (itunes, Pandora, local FM stations), I do use my CDP often. Anyway, below is a short write up on Neko in the ToneAudio Publication, please pay attention to what the writer said in the third paragraph, "but I believe the excitement is at the $1000 price point". www.tonepublications.com/spotlight/the-neko-audio-d-100-dac/I think EMO can build as good of a unit at less than half the price. mP
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Post by strindl on Jul 7, 2009 23:00:13 GMT -5
I made the switch in january. I took a few weeks to rip my entire cd collection into a lossless format and stream it all to my audio systems with the logitech duet system. Works great.
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Post by Lonnie on Jul 7, 2009 23:13:53 GMT -5
I made the switch in january. I took a few weeks to rip my entire cd collection into a lossless format and stream it all to my audio systems with the logitech duet system. Works great. And soon, you'll carry it all with you on your keychain... |
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Post by kumayama on Jul 7, 2009 23:37:18 GMT -5
I'm on record exclaiming the ERC-1 to be one of a handful of products I've encountered over the decades to truly make a major improvement in the quality of sound reproduction in my system (the others; McIntosh C-22, Audio Research SP3b, Threshold and Paracas Amps, Klipschorns, and Dynavector phono cartridge--I guess that makes 2 more than a handful).
So, I'd immediately snap up the large version of an EMO DAC for the sonic improvement it would provide for my well loved Stable Platter CD Recorder, its ability to allow me to take the preamp out of the system, and for use with a media server.
For me, this is a very exciting new development.
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Post by littlesaint on Jul 8, 2009 6:01:02 GMT -5
A lot of artists are starting to embrace the idea of delivering media-less music even cutting out the middle man (iTunes, Amazon, etc.) and delivering it themselves. Reznor's been doing it for awhile now and the Beastie Boys put this up recently. They offer vinyl and CD sets too, but with any purchase comes the ability to download lossless versions of the tracks - something iTunes and Amazon do not. illcommunication.beastieboys.com/buy_ic/ |
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Post by lonnie on Jul 8, 2009 10:18:30 GMT -5
An interesting stance to take? Why would I want to pay more if I can get a good DAC for a good price?If EMO wants to do a DAC based on the same DAC as the ERC-1, then EMO might as well incorporate the access to DAC on the ERC-1, everything that is needed for a DAC is already there. The additional cost would be minor, this will allow the owner to be able to just throw in a CD instead of firing up his/her computer to play some music. There are times when I just play one CD through my CDP because I may only half an hour to kill. A combo CDP/DAC would accomplish both at a reasonable additional cost to the ERC-1 (just like the Cambridge A - 840C). I believe the new McIntosh MCD 500 uses the Sabre chip, however, the design and the implementation of the MCD 500 is their own design. I am with you on the EMO's philosophy of good value for $$$ that is why I think that EMO can design and build a medium/high quality DAC to compete with Benchmark/Del Canto at a much more competitive price. EMO may have the economy of scale that other niches players do not have (Neko, Stello). Why would I want to pay more if I can get a good DAC for a good price?There already are tons of good to excellent (for this price point) sub $500 DACs out there . I am not sure if we need another one. I am not sure if EMO will be able to attract the crowd that are in this target market. What I think is an opportunity for EMO is to produce the Benchmark USB quality or higher (both the built and sound) and priced it very very competitively to attract a mid level DAC buyers. Since DAC is still a hot product and assuming that EMO can succeed in its new DAC, it will be a proof of its "best bang for the buck" philisophy to the general public, leverage this to the rest of the product lines and ........there is not limit to future success. mP It is a very interesting argument you make, but I believe we can build a fully differential 192 DAC with selectable inputs, discrete output stage, remote, etc, for around 300.00 and meet or exceed the quality of the Benchmark. I could be wrong here, so don't hold me to it, but it really shoudn't cost anything close to what others are asking. ;D |
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Post by UT-Driven on Jul 8, 2009 10:31:08 GMT -5
An interesting stance to take? Why would I want to pay more if I can get a good DAC for a good price?If EMO wants to do a DAC based on the same DAC as the ERC-1, then EMO might as well incorporate the access to DAC on the ERC-1, everything that is needed for a DAC is already there. The additional cost would be minor, this will allow the owner to be able to just throw in a CD instead of firing up his/her computer to play some music. There are times when I just play one CD through my CDP because I may only half an hour to kill. A combo CDP/DAC would accomplish both at a reasonable additional cost to the ERC-1 (just like the Cambridge A - 840C). I believe the new McIntosh MCD 500 uses the Sabre chip, however, the design and the implementation of the MCD 500 is their own design. I am with you on the EMO's philosophy of good value for $$$ that is why I think that EMO can design and build a medium/high quality DAC to compete with Benchmark/Del Canto at a much more competitive price. EMO may have the economy of scale that other niches players do not have (Neko, Stello). Why would I want to pay more if I can get a good DAC for a good price?There already are tons of good to excellent (for this price point) sub $500 DACs out there . I am not sure if we need another one. I am not sure if EMO will be able to attract the crowd that are in this target market. What I think is an opportunity for EMO is to produce the Benchmark USB quality or higher (both the built and sound) and priced it very very competitively to attract a mid level DAC buyers. Since DAC is still a hot product and assuming that EMO can succeed in its new DAC, it will be a proof of its "best bang for the buck" philisophy to the general public, leverage this to the rest of the product lines and ........there is not limit to future success. mP It is a very interesting argument you make, but I believe we can build a fully differential 192 DAC with selectable inputs, discrete output stage, remote, etc, for around 300.00 and meet or exceed the quality of the Benchmark. I could be wrong here, so don't hold me to it, but it really shoudn't cost anything close to what others are asking. ;D Looking forward to it. mP: Even if price and quality were equal, there is brand loyalty to take into consideration. I would rather have a matching Emotiva unit given similar performance. Doug |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2009 10:31:30 GMT -5
It is a very interesting argument you make, but I believe we can build a fully differential 192 DAC with selectable inputs, discrete output stage, remote, etc, for around 300.00 and meet or exceed the quality of the Benchmark. I could be wrong here, so don't hold me to it, but it really shoudn't cost anything close to what others are asking. ;D that's what I'm talking about, Willis! |
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