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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 23, 2020 1:35:07 GMT -5
Sound signature will be pretty much identical(I own the 5s and T1 towers) if you are thinking about the B1+ are you putting them on stands that you need to purchase ?, if so I would say go for the T0 towers if you need to spend money on stands you might as well get a tower speaker, just my opinion of course but I find it a valid one haha  Chad Did they both sound the same to you?
, but with the different size drivers you may find the mids a bit smoother in the 6s but it's hard to remember exactly, doesn't hurt to try the B1 but I think it's a smaller speaker than the Klipsch you got. Perhaps there is something wrong with how I'm driving my B1's but I find them lifeless and blurred compared to my Airmotiv 5's. I was really hoping for a passive speaker that had they same air/sparkle and imaging but that's not what I found. I haven't heard the 5s or the new B1+ so maybe my original Airmotive 5 are over bright but I don't find them so. Maybe the B1+ tweeking cause them to sound more like the powered monitors but I've been disappointed with my B1's.
I got the B1+ a few days ago.
Compared to my Airmotiv 6s, the B1+'s bass wasn't as full or punchy. It was noticeable even in tracks that weren't as bass heavy. The bass just felt truncated.
I'm returning them.
Also, after listing to the Klipsch RP-600M with the Yamaha AVR (I returned the Denon), the Klipsch sounds much better, especially for those lighter drum and percussion sounds that I thought was lacking with the Denon.
Had I known that a receiver could make this much of a difference sooner, I would have bought 2 more 600Ms for the rear, early last week, when they were on sale, $180 off for a pair.
But at that point, with the equipment I had at the time, the Denon and the 600M, I was closer to returning the 600M, and searching for something else (whether it would be the B1+'s that were on their way, or something else).
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Post by creimes on Oct 23, 2020 2:15:04 GMT -5
Sound signature will be pretty much identical(I own the 5s and T1 towers) if you are thinking about the B1+ are you putting them on stands that you need to purchase ?, if so I would say go for the T0 towers if you need to spend money on stands you might as well get a tower speaker, just my opinion of course but I find it a valid one haha Chad Other than the 6s playing louder and deeper pretty much, but with the different size drivers you may find the mids a bit smoother in the 6s but it's hard to remember exactly, doesn't hurt to try the B1 but I think it's a smaller speaker than the Klipsch you got. Perhaps there is something wrong with how I'm driving my B1's but I find them lifeless and blurred compared to my Airmotiv 5's. I was really hoping for a passive speaker that had they same air/sparkle and imaging but that's not what I found. I haven't heard the 5s or the new B1+ so maybe my original Airmotive 5 are over bright but I don't find them so. Maybe the B1+ tweeking cause them to sound more like the powered monitors but I've been disappointed with my B1's. I got the B1+ a few days ago. Compared to my Airmotiv 6s, the B1+'s bass wasn't as full or punchy. It was noticeable even in tracks that weren't as bass heavy. The bass just felt truncated. I'm returning them. Also, after listing to the Klipsch RP-600M with the Yamaha AVR (I returned the Denon), the Klipsch sounds much better, especially for those lighter drum and percussion sounds that I thought was lacking with the Denon. Had I known that a receiver could make this much of a difference sooner, I would have bought 2 more 600Ms for the rear, early last week, when they were on sale, $180 off for a pair. But at that point, with the equipment I had at the time, the Denon and the 600M, I was closer to returning the 600M, and searching for something else (whether it would be the B1+'s that were on their way, or something else).
Owning both the 6s and 5s(never the B1) at the same time there is a very big difference in cabinet size, the 5s or B1 for this matter will not have the same output, I just sold my three T1 towers which directly replaced three Chane A5rx-c towers and the T1 noticeably went deeper than the Chanes in the exact same spot, it's room and gear dependent when it comes to speakers and synergy between equipment as well, after owning separates there are not many integrated amps or receivers I would want powering my setup, the 5s speakers have matched amps as where the B1+ will shine when properly amplified, connect a Emotiva A-100 or TA-100 up to them in place of those Yamaha and Denon receivers and I can guarantee the B1+ will perform much better, better than the Klipsch I have no idea but in general yes. Years back when I moved from a midrange Yamaha receiver to separate UPA-1 amplifiers I noticed a big difference in what my then Monitor Audio Silver RX-6 speakers were capable of, I can almost bet the Klipsch 600M is designed to work with a broader range of amplifiers power ratings, it seems for almost any speaker you get rave reviews and not so rave reviews, depends on the room, the gear and the listener, to each our own I say when it comes to what we prefer, luckily there's lots of stuff out there for us to spend our money on haha. Chad |
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 23, 2020 10:34:11 GMT -5
I got the B1+ a few days ago. Compared to my Airmotiv 6s, the B1+'s bass wasn't as full or punchy. It was noticeable even in tracks that weren't as bass heavy. The bass just felt truncated. I'm returning them. Also, after listing to the Klipsch RP-600M with the Yamaha AVR (I returned the Denon), the Klipsch sounds much better, especially for those lighter drum and percussion sounds that I thought was lacking with the Denon. Had I known that a receiver could make this much of a difference sooner, I would have bought 2 more 600Ms for the rear, early last week, when they were on sale, $180 off for a pair. But at that point, with the equipment I had at the time, the Denon and the 600M, I was closer to returning the 600M, and searching for something else (whether it would be the B1+'s that were on their way, or something else).
Owning both the 6s and 5s(never the B1) at the same time there is a very big difference in cabinet size, the 5s or B1 for this matter will not have the same output, I just sold my three T1 towers which directly replaced three Chane A5rx-c towers and the T1 noticeably went deeper than the Chanes in the exact same spot, it's room and gear dependent when it comes to speakers and synergy between equipment as well, after owning separates there are not many integrated amps or receivers I would want powering my setup, the 5s speakers have matched amps as where the B1+ will shine when properly amplified, connect a Emotiva A-100 or TA-100 up to them in place of those Yamaha and Denon receivers and I can guarantee the B1+ will perform much better, better than the Klipsch I have no idea but in general yes. Years back when I moved from a midrange Yamaha receiver to separate UPA-1 amplifiers I noticed a big difference in what my then Monitor Audio Silver RX-6 speakers were capable of, I can almost bet the Klipsch 600M is designed to work with a broader range of amplifiers power ratings, it seems for almost any speaker you get rave reviews and not so rave reviews, depends on the room, the gear and the listener, to each our own I say when it comes to what we prefer, luckily there's lots of stuff out there for us to spend our money on haha. Chad
What are these?
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Post by creimes on Oct 23, 2020 13:43:01 GMT -5
Owning both the 6s and 5s(never the B1) at the same time there is a very big difference in cabinet size, the 5s or B1 for this matter will not have the same output, I just sold my three T1 towers which directly replaced three Chane A5rx-c towers and the T1 noticeably went deeper than the Chanes in the exact same spot, it's room and gear dependent when it comes to speakers and synergy between equipment as well, after owning separates there are not many integrated amps or receivers I would want powering my setup, the 5s speakers have matched amps as where the B1+ will shine when properly amplified, connect a Emotiva A-100 or TA-100 up to them in place of those Yamaha and Denon receivers and I can guarantee the B1+ will perform much better, better than the Klipsch I have no idea but in general yes. Years back when I moved from a midrange Yamaha receiver to separate UPA-1 amplifiers I noticed a big difference in what my then Monitor Audio Silver RX-6 speakers were capable of, I can almost bet the Klipsch 600M is designed to work with a broader range of amplifiers power ratings, it seems for almost any speaker you get rave reviews and not so rave reviews, depends on the room, the gear and the listener, to each our own I say when it comes to what we prefer, luckily there's lots of stuff out there for us to spend our money on haha. Chad What are these?
Older Emotiva amps, they were my amplifier purchase back in 2010 web.archive.org/web/20101020222954/http://emotiva.com/upa1.shtm |
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 23, 2020 23:03:13 GMT -5
My Shield is connected to my processor by HDMI, the XMC units have a built in tuner, I do also have a 4K Firestick but the Shield is much more powerful but alas costs much more haha. Thanks. I went with the Firestick because I wanted portability. It has the SlingPlayer app, so I can take it to a family member's, connect to my Slingbox remotely, and watch my DVR on their TV. How do you decide what to connect to your XMC, and what to connect to the MC-700 Receiver? Bump? |
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 23, 2020 23:04:19 GMT -5
Now for some positives about the B1+. The sound that it did produce, was clear.
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Post by garbulky on Oct 23, 2020 23:22:13 GMT -5
Owning both the 6s and 5s(never the B1) at the same time there is a very big difference in cabinet size, the 5s or B1 for this matter will not have the same output, I just sold my three T1 towers which directly replaced three Chane A5rx-c towers and the T1 noticeably went deeper than the Chanes in the exact same spot, it's room and gear dependent when it comes to speakers and synergy between equipment as well, after owning separates there are not many integrated amps or receivers I would want powering my setup, the 5s speakers have matched amps as where the B1+ will shine when properly amplified, connect a Emotiva A-100 or TA-100 up to them in place of those Yamaha and Denon receivers and I can guarantee the B1+ will perform much better, better than the Klipsch I have no idea but in general yes. Years back when I moved from a midrange Yamaha receiver to separate UPA-1 amplifiers I noticed a big difference in what my then Monitor Audio Silver RX-6 speakers were capable of, I can almost bet the Klipsch 600M is designed to work with a broader range of amplifiers power ratings, it seems for almost any speaker you get rave reviews and not so rave reviews, depends on the room, the gear and the listener, to each our own I say when it comes to what we prefer, luckily there's lots of stuff out there for us to spend our money on haha. Chad What are these?
Looks like creimes got you covered well this. The UPA-1/UPA-2/UPA-5 series... these amps contained a XPA-5 series blade per channel no fans, had good heatsinks and were priced lower than the current bas-x A-300 series. They were really good and it was a pity Emotiva stopped making them as I would pick them over the A-300 lineup. However, I would prefer the PA-1, the XPA-1L and the XPA-2 gen 1/2 amplifier to the UPA-1 amp. |
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 25, 2020 13:17:27 GMT -5
Shipping question.
I returned them at the Fed Ex office. It was $73.78.
Afterwards, I entered the same info on Fed Ex's online shipping estimator.
If I wasn't logged into my account, ground shipping was $70.63 (similar to what I paid).
If I was logged into my Fed Ex account, ground shipping was $42.15.
Why such a big difference? I don't have any kind of special account. Just a basic online Fed Ex account.
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Post by creimes on Oct 25, 2020 14:04:07 GMT -5
Now for some positives about the B1+. The sound that it did produce, was clear. Also remember the B1+ is a small bookshelf that is not going to give a strong low end, they would be great with a small sub or two or as rears/surrounds in a HT setup. The 6s models are quite a bit larger with more cabinet volume and matched amplification, if I set my 5s up in my room I get the same results as they are not bass heavy but how could they be at their size. even the T1 towers are not considered a "Full Range" tower. Chad |
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 26, 2020 0:43:11 GMT -5
Now for some positives about the B1+. The sound that it did produce, was clear. Also remember the B1+ is a small bookshelf that is not going to give a strong low end, they would be great with a small sub or two or as rears/surrounds in a HT setup. The 6s models are quite a bit larger with more cabinet volume and matched amplification, if I set my 5s up in my room I get the same results as they are not bass heavy but how could they be at their size. even the T1 towers are not considered a "Full Range" tower. Chad Thanks.
While I was looking for something for a HT setup, whether it was the Klipsch RP-600M, B1+, or something else, and so it would be used with a sub, in the end, I decided I just wanted something that had more bass on its own, before I added the sub.
You are also right in that I could have used the B1+ as rears. But I decided I wanted the front and rears to be the same model.
Partly because I decided I liked the sound of the Klipsch, once I switched to the Yamaha receiver.
And partly because if I got something different for the rears, I would then obsess about the fact that it was different, and what impact that was having overall on the sound. Maybe it would only have a small impact, but I would still get side tracked.
It's better for me to get the same fronts and rears, so I can move on, towards finishing my setup, and put my mind at ease.
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Post by creimes on Oct 26, 2020 0:55:40 GMT -5
Also remember the B1+ is a small bookshelf that is not going to give a strong low end, they would be great with a small sub or two or as rears/surrounds in a HT setup. The 6s models are quite a bit larger with more cabinet volume and matched amplification, if I set my 5s up in my room I get the same results as they are not bass heavy but how could they be at their size. even the T1 towers are not considered a "Full Range" tower. Chad Thanks. While I was looking for something for a HT setup, whether it was the Klipsch RP-600M, B1+, or something else, and so it would be used with a sub, in the end, I decided I just wanted something that had more bass on its own, before I added the sub. You are also right in that I could have used the B1+ as rears. But I decided I wanted the front and rears to be the same model. Partly because I decided I liked the sound of the Klipsch, once I switched to the Yamaha receiver. And partly because if I got something different for the rears, I would then obsess about the fact that it was different, and what impact that was having overall on the sound. Maybe it would only have a small impact, but I would still get side tracked. It's better for me to get the same fronts and rears, so I can move on, towards finishing my setup, and put my mind at ease.
That's a good decision for sure, I just meant in general not for your particular room, the B1+ isn't meant to be a big sounding speaker. Cheers, Chad |
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 26, 2020 1:17:40 GMT -5
Does SVS honor the 90 day defective replacement policy, for products ordered through authorized retailers like Crutchfield?
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 26, 2020 14:18:04 GMT -5
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 27, 2020 4:10:36 GMT -5
Do I need subwoofer isolation pads? And if so, can someone link me to what I should get?
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 27, 2020 4:10:55 GMT -5
Shipping question. I returned them at the Fed Ex office. It was $73.78. Afterwards, I entered the same info on Fed Ex's online shipping estimator. If I wasn't logged into my account, ground shipping was $70.63 (similar to what I paid). If I was logged into my Fed Ex account, ground shipping was $42.15. Why such a big difference? I don't have any kind of special account. Just a basic online Fed Ex account. Any idea on this? |
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Post by spiette on Oct 27, 2020 10:58:54 GMT -5
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Post by creimes on Oct 27, 2020 15:24:56 GMT -5
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 27, 2020 17:28:07 GMT -5
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Post by creimes on Oct 27, 2020 22:04:00 GMT -5
Just the connector itself, having a tighter/firmer(That's what she said)  connection on the RCA when plugging them in. |
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 28, 2020 1:35:32 GMT -5
Just the connector itself, having a tighter/firmer(That's what she said) connection on the RCA when plugging them in. Thanks. I cancelled the other cables, and ordered these ones instead. |
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connection on the RCA when plugging them in.