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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 5, 2020 9:41:03 GMT -5
How does the discontinued powered Airmotiv 6s (or another model from the old "s" series) sound compared to the passive B1+?
Has anyone compared them both?
I have the 6s that I use with my computer. And am evaluating passive speakers for a home theater setup.
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Post by creimes on Oct 5, 2020 11:32:17 GMT -5
Sound signature will be pretty much identical(I own the 5s and T1 towers) if you are thinking about the B1+ are you putting them on stands that you need to purchase ?, if so I would say go for the T0 towers if you need to spend money on stands you might as well get a tower speaker, just my opinion of course but I find it a valid one haha  Chad |
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 5, 2020 18:45:42 GMT -5
Sound signature will be pretty much identical(I own the 5s and T1 towers) if you are thinking about the B1+ are you putting them on stands that you need to purchase ?, if so I would say go for the T0 towers if you need to spend money on stands you might as well get a tower speaker, just my opinion of course but I find it a valid one haha Chad
Thanks.
Why did the B1+ cost about 1/2 as much as the 6s? I realize there's no amplifier, and the tweeter is smaller, but that was something that concerned me.
I like the way some of the high sounds linger / stand out on my 6s.
So if the B1+ really does sound the same, then I think I need to at least try it out to make sure.
I have a few tables available for the B1+ to go on. And I like the smaller footprint of bookshelf speakers.
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Post by creimes on Oct 5, 2020 19:11:57 GMT -5
Sound signature will be pretty much identical(I own the 5s and T1 towers) if you are thinking about the B1+ are you putting them on stands that you need to purchase ?, if so I would say go for the T0 towers if you need to spend money on stands you might as well get a tower speaker, just my opinion of course but I find it a valid one haha Chad Thanks. Why did the B1+ cost about 1/2 as much as the 6s? I realize there's no amplifier, and the tweeter is smaller, but that was something that concerned me. I like the way some of the high sounds linger / stand out on my 6s. So if the B1+ really does sound the same, then I think I need to at least try it out to make sure. I have a few tables available for the B1+ to go on. And I like the smaller footprint of bookshelf speakers.
The 6s speaker is a much larger speaker with a 6.5 inch driver and a larger tweeter which was to crossover with the bass/mid driver, the 5s is more comparable to the B1, I had a pair of both the 6s and 5s at the same time and there is a difference in size, I'll add a few photos of the two together, I should have kept the 6s I had but I had absolutely no where to use them as I had more speakers than needed lol Click here for the Airmotiv 6s pageSome pics of the 6s and 5s to compare    |
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 5, 2020 19:23:43 GMT -5
Nice pics.
Thanks for the quick responses.
Why did they stop making powered speakers?
So got the Klipsch RP-600M for a home theater setup, and started auditioning it yesterday. I compared it with my powered 6s.
I've only done a little bit of comparing (3 tracks). For some things, they're about the same.
For others, I like the 6s a tiny bit more during certain notes.
I'll compare them a little more today.
But what I'm thinking is that if there's no tracks that I think I like the Klipsch more after tonight, then I need to get the B1+ and at least see if it sounds just like the 6s. Because in the end, I'd rather have what I think I prefer in sound.
I like the glossy finish of the Klipsch (I got a piano black finish), but I'm not going to prefer a speaker because of how it LOOKS.
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 5, 2020 19:26:35 GMT -5
Thanks. Why did the B1+ cost about 1/2 as much as the 6s? I realize there's no amplifier, and the tweeter is smaller, but that was something that concerned me. I like the way some of the high sounds linger / stand out on my 6s. So if the B1+ really does sound the same, then I think I need to at least try it out to make sure. I have a few tables available for the B1+ to go on. And I like the smaller footprint of bookshelf speakers.
The 6s speaker is a much larger speaker with a 6.5 inch driver and a larger tweeter which was to crossover with the bass/mid driver, the 5s is more comparable to the B1, I had a pair of both the 6s and 5s at the same time and there is a difference in size, I'll add a few photos of the two together, I should have kept the 6s I had but I had absolutely no where to use them as I had more speakers than needed lol Click here for the Airmotiv 6s pageSome pics of the 6s and 5s to compare
Did they both sound the same to you?
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Post by megash0n on Oct 5, 2020 19:27:51 GMT -5
Nice pics. Thanks for the quick responses. Why did they stop making powered speakers? So got the Klipsch RP-600M for a home theater setup, and started auditioning it yesterday. I compared it with my powered 6s. I've only done a little bit of comparing (3 tracks). For some things, they're about the same. For others, I like the 6s a tiny bit more during certain notes. I'll compare them a little more today. But what I'm thinking is that if there's no tracks that I think I like the Klipsch more after tonight, then I need to get the B1+ and at least see if it sounds just like the 6s. Because in the end, I'd rather have what I think I prefer in sound. I like the glossy finish of the Klipsch (I got a piano black finish), but I'm not going to prefer a speaker because of how it LOOKS. Over-leveraged with 10,000+ units of processors that could be returned at the drop of a hat? That's a possibility. I think we will see an Uptick of different things now that has passed. I don't know this.. It's only a theory to your question. |
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 5, 2020 19:35:49 GMT -5
Nice pics. Thanks for the quick responses. Why did they stop making powered speakers? So got the Klipsch RP-600M for a home theater setup, and started auditioning it yesterday. I compared it with my powered 6s. I've only done a little bit of comparing (3 tracks). For some things, they're about the same. For others, I like the 6s a tiny bit more during certain notes. I'll compare them a little more today. But what I'm thinking is that if there's no tracks that I think I like the Klipsch more after tonight, then I need to get the B1+ and at least see if it sounds just like the 6s. Because in the end, I'd rather have what I think I prefer in sound. I like the glossy finish of the Klipsch (I got a piano black finish), but I'm not going to prefer a speaker because of how it LOOKS. Over-leveraged with 10,000+ units of processors that could be returned at the drop of a hat? That's a possibility. I think we will see an Uptick of different things now that has passed. I don't know this.. It's only a theory to your question.
Ok, so you think they produced too many than what the demand was for?
While I ended up keeping my Emotiva Airmotiv 6s, I did like their customer support. When the blue light went out in mine, I sent it to them and they fixed it. When it went out in the other one, they had problems fixing it, so they gave me a refurbished one.
With customer support like that, it's kept me strongly considering them again.
(Actually I'm already going to get their C2+ center channel. It was just a matter of the other speakers in my setup, that I wanted to try something different. But now that I have something different, I find myself liking Emotiva more, so I may just get more of their products, this time passive ones.)
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Post by garbulky on Oct 5, 2020 19:36:28 GMT -5
Yeah what he said the B1 is an airmotiv 5. The 6 is a larger speaker. I'm also really surprised you found the RP-600 to sound as good as the 6. I thought the 5 had significantly better bass than the RP600
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Post by creimes on Oct 5, 2020 19:37:32 GMT -5
Did they both sound the same to you?
Other than the 6s playing louder and deeper pretty much, but with the different size drivers you may find the mids a bit smoother in the 6s but it's hard to remember exactly, doesn't hurt to try the B1 but I think it's a smaller speaker than the Klipsch you got. |
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 5, 2020 19:49:34 GMT -5
Yeah what he said the B1 is an airmotiv 5. The 6 is a larger speaker. I'm also really surprised you found the RP-600 to sound as good as the 6. I thought the 5 had significantly better bass than the RP600So two of the three tracks I tried yesterday, I thought they sounded the same (or equally as good).
The one track that differed, it's been bugging me today that the Emotiva sounded better on both the high parts during some of the drums, and felt a tiny bit more thump from presumably the bass drum too.
If the Klipsch had sounded better in one of those areas, then I could at least say that it's good to have something that's a little different in one area, just to have different experiences.
But if the Emotiva sounds better both on highs and lows, then I'm not getting a new experience out of the Klipsch.
Like I said, I'll give it a little more time today, and then I need to make a quick decision on whether to try out the B1+. Because I need to make sure I have a final decision before the 30 days on my Klipsch. And looking at how long my 6s took to arrive, from when it was shipped, in 2016, it took 6 business days. So if I really do want to give the B1+ a chance, I need to decide by late tonight / tomorrow.
To be fair, I'm not evaluating the 6s and the Klipsch in the same 100% conditions. With the 6s, I'm sitting close to my computer monitor, so I'm close.
With the Klipsch, I'm on my couch (because that's where I will be for the home theater). But regardless, there has to be something I think is different about the Klipsch, for me to keep it. It's good, but if I'm being very particular, right now I just like the 6s a tiny bit more, and want the same sound.
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Post by megash0n on Oct 5, 2020 19:52:03 GMT -5
Over-leveraged with 10,000+ units of processors that could be returned at the drop of a hat? That's a possibility. I think we will see an Uptick of different things now that has passed. I don't know this.. It's only a theory to your question.
Ok, so you think they produced too many than what the demand was for?
While I ended up keeping my Emotiva Airmotiv 6s, I did like their customer support. When the blue light went out in mine, I sent it to them and they fixed it. When it went out in the other one, they had problems fixing it, so they gave me a refurbished one.
With customer support like that, it's kept me strongly considering them again.
(Actually I'm already going to get their C2+ center channel. It was just a matter of the other speakers in my setup, that I wanted to try something different. But now that I have something different, I find myself liking Emotiva more, so I may just get more of their products, this time passive ones.)
I like the way the speakers sound as well. In regards to demand, not necessarily. It was more of an accounting and credit leverage concept. I have no idea. Just a suggestion as to why other product development may have slowed down or stopped is all. |
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Post by creimes on Oct 5, 2020 19:57:53 GMT -5
Yeah what he said the B1 is an airmotiv 5. The 6 is a larger speaker. I'm also really surprised you found the RP-600 to sound as good as the 6. I thought the 5 had significantly better bass than the RP600So two of the three tracks I tried yesterday, I thought they sounded the same (or equally as good). The one track that differed, it's been bugging me today that the Emotiva sounded better on both the high parts during some of the drums, and felt a tiny bit more thump from presumably the bass drum too. If the Klipsch had sounded better in one of those areas, then I could at least say that it's good to have something that's a little different in one area, just to have different experiences. But if the Emotiva sounds better both on highs and lows, then I'm not getting a new experience out of the Klipsch. Like I said, I'll give it a little more time today, and then I need to make a quick decision on whether to try out the B1+. Because I need to make sure I have a final decision before the 30 days on my Klipsch. And looking at how long my 6s took to arrive, from when it was shipped, in 2016, it took 6 business days. So if I really do want to give the B1+ a chance, I need to decide by late tonight / tomorrow. To be fair, I'm not evaluating the 6s and the Klipsch in the same 100% conditions. With the 6s, I'm sitting close to my computer monitor, so I'm close. With the Klipsch, I'm on my couch (because that's where I will be for the home theater). But regardless, there has to be something I think is different about the Klipsch, for me to keep it. It's good, but if I'm being very particular, right now I just like the 6s a tiny bit more, and want the same sound.
The 6s should out perform the B1+ in the low end department due to larger driver and size, at least it did in my room, speakers are personal preference especially if you are used to the sound of one of them having owned them for some time, I like hearing detail in the music when I listen and both the passive and powered Airmotiv lines seem to do very well in that department, and detail can sometimes come accross as harsh sounding if someone isn't used to hearing it, you need to give your ears and your brain time to adjust to what you are hearing, at least that's my findings anyhow. Chad |
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Post by drtrey3 on Oct 6, 2020 12:51:43 GMT -5
The Klipsch and Emotiva speakers should have differing treble because of their different approach to the tweeter. Both valid, you pays your money and takes your choice.
Trey
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Post by spiette on Oct 12, 2020 11:55:33 GMT -5
Perhaps there is something wrong with how I'm driving my B1's but I find them lifeless and blurred compared to my Airmotiv 5's.
I was really hoping for a passive speaker that had they same air/sparkle and imaging but that's not what I found. I haven't heard the 5s or the new B1+ so maybe my original Airmotive 5 are over bright but I don't find them so. Maybe the B1+ tweeking cause them to sound more like the powered monitors but I've been disappointed with my B1's.
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Post by garbulky on Oct 12, 2020 12:03:20 GMT -5
Perhaps there is something wrong with how I'm driving my B1's but I find them lifeless and blurred compared to my Airmotiv 5's. I was really hoping for a passive speaker that had they same air/sparkle and imaging but that's not what I found. I haven't heard the 5s or the new B1+ so maybe my original Airmotive 5 are over bright but I don't find them so. Maybe the B1+ tweeking cause them to sound more like the powered monitors but I've been disappointed with my B1's. How are you driving the B1s? If you find them a little blurred, chances are that you have hooked them up out of phase. If you can't use this video, you can simply switch the wires on one speaker only while leaving the other speaker alone to see if that's the problem. |
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Post by Hair Nick on Oct 12, 2020 12:25:16 GMT -5
The powered monitors were originally launched as part of our Emotiva Pro line. These were products geared towards professional studio musicians but ended up taking off more for our consumer side. We closed down the Pro division years ago to focus on the main brand and the studio monitors were a casualty of that. Around this time we were developing round after round internally of a new passive speaker line for the core product chain. We made the choice to take the design that we loved so much of the powered monitors and convert those into our final design of the new passive speakers. We absolutely love the powered monitors and we are very proud of them. Some of you might remember the "gen3" version that we showed off years ago at CES. We have been working behind the scenes over the years on making another round of powered monitors but they have to be a viable product and make sense for us. That is where we currently sit. Those gen3 designs get pulled off the shelf every 6 months or so as we look to see if we can pull them off. We are very passionate about the powered line and are working hard to find a way to make it happen. This happens with a lot of products behind the scenes.  |
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 12, 2020 12:25:34 GMT -5
Perhaps there is something wrong with how I'm driving my B1's but I find them lifeless and blurred compared to my Airmotiv 5's. I was really hoping for a passive speaker that had they same air/sparkle and imaging but that's not what I found. I haven't heard the 5s or the new B1+ so maybe my original Airmotive 5 are over bright but I don't find them so. Maybe the B1+ tweeking cause them to sound more like the powered monitors but I've been disappointed with my B1's. What do you mean by blurred? Is some sound distorted? |
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 12, 2020 12:27:31 GMT -5
The powered monitors were originally launched as part of our Emotiva Pro line. These were products geared towards professional studio musicians but ended up taking off more for our consumer side. We closed down the Pro division years ago to focus on the main brand and the studio monitors were a casualty of that. Around this time we were developing round after round internally of a new passive speaker line for the core product chain. We made the choice to take the design that we loved so much of the powered monitors and convert those into our final design of the new passive speakers. We absolutely love the powered monitors and we are very proud of them. Some of you might remember the "gen3" version that we showed off years ago at CES. We have been working behind the scenes over the years on making another round of powered monitors but they have to be a viable product and make sense for us. That is where we currently sit. Those gen3 designs get pulled off the shelf every 6 months or so as we look to see if we can pull them off. We are very passionate about the powered line and are working hard to find a way to make it happen. This happens with a lot of products behind the scenes. Thanks for the info. |
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 12, 2020 12:45:29 GMT -5
After listening to the Klipsch RP-600M more this weekend, and comparing them with my powered 6s, I felt the 600M was a little quiet on drums and percussions, on several different tracks. Drums and percussions, especially those that weren't meant to be loud, but were light taps, were quieter.
For one track at least, it also seemed dependent on where I sat. If I sat on the left side of my couch, I could hear it better than on the right.
When compared to my 6s, which is on my desk in the same room, I could sit anywhere on the couch and get the same sound. I did try adjusting the positioning of the 600M a little, but I still couldn't shake the feeling that after hours of listening, I kept running into percussions being a bit quiet.
So I ordered the B1+. When I did my headphones comparison in 2014, I compared across 3 headphones and picked the one I liked the best.
When I did powered monitors in 2016, I compared two.
So I had to compare the 600M with at least one other model.
These are the possible outcomes that can happen:
* I like the B1+ as much more more. When factoring in that the B1+ is $250 post tax vs. $687, and that I'll want 2 pairs, once I decide on the front pair, the cost savings of the B1+ will be huge.
* I think the 600M is better. At this point, I think I'd return both the B1+ and 600M and get something that sounds like my powered 6s. If I can sit on my coach and get the sound I want from my 6s, then I think I can find something that is placed near my TV, and produce the sound I want.
* Maybe I could still end up keeping my 600M, but right now, not sure. I could change my mind in a few weeks, we will see.
I do like the 600M overall and it does a lot of things well. There's a lot that I liked listening to with it. This drum / percussion thing though, I can't shake.
At first, I thought the difference between the powered 6s and 600M was small enough that it wasn't worth returning the 600M over. But then when I found that the powered 6s just produced a more consistent sound no matter where I sat on my couch, and the fact that during my audio purchases in 2014 and 2016, I compared at least two things, I had to compare two passives this time too.
It is harder though to compare passives, since it will require unplugging them from the AVR. And that's two sets of wires to unplug and unscrew.
With powered speakers, it was just one single jack I could unplug.
I thought ribbon tweeters would be more dependent on where I sat. But in my setup in this room, so far, it seems like it's the 600m horns that are more dependent. Or maybe that's just how the 600M sounds, with a little lighter drum / percussion sound, during light drum / percussion sounds.
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