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Post by steelman1991 on Nov 5, 2020 12:28:02 GMT -5
Jeez there's a lot of "entitled" people around this world. People get a card that costs nothing and complain when it's withdrawn I respect you right to your opinion but some of us compensated the original owners in a quicker fashion by buying their cards with a promise from Emotiva that said cards would be honored indefinitely. Nope, I didn’t capture the promise on tape or writing. Hindsight is not foresight. Who knew, right. So a rather small communication was put out about the cancellation of that promise. Many if not all of the members here know I visit the lounge VERY often, I missed “The podcast” and just recently found out about the demise of the 40% discount card. Miss a couple of hours and your in the dark apparently. I don’t find myself being “entitled”, I have always worked hard for what I’ve purchased and accomplished. Peace ✌️
I'll try and keep this as civil as I can in keeping so far with the thread.................................but really, please don't try and convince us that you and others purchased these cards out of a sense of civic duty, to help out original owners, please. You bought them to provide YOU with a discount against future purchases, no other reason. Sure you were enticed with the "lifetime" offer, but you took a chance and it backfired. These cards, I'm sure, were never meant for the open market, the fact that people used them for that purpose, is an issue Emotiva should have forseen and matched the card to the serial number of the original product purchased. That they didn't is down to them, but things change in this world. I got a 15 year guarantee with a company who re-roofed my house. Along came the pandemic, down went the company - no warranty.
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Post by teaman on Nov 5, 2020 12:46:35 GMT -5
I’ve sat here for an hour pondering whether or not to make this post, I’m full of mixed emotions. I’ll be glad to purchase that silver certificate at face value or even a bit more for your troubles ttocs .I still get updates on my TomTom via e-mail and a link to download them. Rigid has always tried to squirm out of there Lifetime service agreement and it has always expired when the tool was discontinued. Craftsman has been sold and resold and is not the same company it was years ago. Emotiva is still owned and operated by the same gentleman that founded it. I do get where your coming from but it’s still a sour taste in so many mouths. I’ve called Emotiva, Dan is not taking calls , There was a time when I / you could call Emotiva and speak with him. I was told They will not offer anything to help a card holder but wish me luck in the sale of the cards I invested in. These cards were strictly for the purchase Emotiva processors in the future. I/we were lead to believe, as Dan had said that these cards had no experation,(no, I don’t have it in writing. ) I’ve been treated well in the past by Emotiva and have a mountain of gear to show for it. I have been asked if my cave was an Emotiva showroom. My signature may be close to half my Emotiva gear. I did not purchase any cards that I did not personally want to use, I’ve been told to sell them and good luck! As the value has plummeted like my belief in Emotiva. I don’t do EBay or any other sales venue as they’ve suggested. So I get a pat on the head and a “Good luck “ selling your soon to be worthless investment in Emotiva. I’m not a complainer and I do understand Bussiness but I made my investments because I was assured they would be honored. As I’ve stated before, Emotiva has been fair and upfront in the past and I’ve usually thought I was treated right, I don’t feel that way now. You don't need to worry about having it in writing, many people have the screen shot of Dan repeating it over and over again in the "Upgrade for life" thread....about both the UFL and 40% off cards. March 26, 2015.....over and over...
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Post by teaman on Nov 5, 2020 12:52:11 GMT -5
I respect you right to your opinion but some of us compensated the original owners in a quicker fashion by buying their cards with a promise from Emotiva that said cards would be honored indefinitely. Nope, I didn’t capture the promise on tape or writing. Hindsight is not foresight. Who knew, right. So a rather small communication was put out about the cancellation of that promise. Many if not all of the members here know I visit the lounge VERY often, I missed “The podcast” and just recently found out about the demise of the 40% discount card. Miss a couple of hours and your in the dark apparently. I don’t find myself being “entitled”, I have always worked hard for what I’ve purchased and accomplished. Peace ✌️ I'll try and keep this as civil as I can in keeping so far with the thread.................................but really, please don't try and convince us that you and others purchased these cards out of a sense of civic duty, to help out original owners, please. You bought them to provide YOU with a discount against future purchases, no other reason. Sure you were enticed with the "lifetime" offer, but you took a chance and it backfired. These cards, I'm sure, were never meant for the open market, the fact that people used them for that purpose, is an issue Emotiva should have forseen and matched the card to the serial number of the original product purchased. That they didn't is down to them, but things change in this world. I got a 15 year guarantee with a company who re-roofed my house. Along came the pandemic, down went the company - no warranty.
Apples and oranges brother. A company going under is not the same as a company still in business. The reason why these cards were handed out originally was to save face for an unworthy product that hit the market. Too many bugs and too many promises turned a lot of people off. In exchange for their continued loyalty and belief in the company. Also, Dan posted a direct answer for the people making money off of the cards by reselling them. His words are exactly "Good for them, it's a free country"
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Post by novisnick on Nov 5, 2020 14:46:09 GMT -5
I respect you right to your opinion but some of us compensated the original owners in a quicker fashion by buying their cards with a promise from Emotiva that said cards would be honored indefinitely. Nope, I didn’t capture the promise on tape or writing. Hindsight is not foresight. Who knew, right. So a rather small communication was put out about the cancellation of that promise. Many if not all of the members here know I visit the lounge VERY often, I missed “The podcast” and just recently found out about the demise of the 40% discount card. Miss a couple of hours and your in the dark apparently. I don’t find myself being “entitled”, I have always worked hard for what I’ve purchased and accomplished. Peace ✌️
I'll try and keep this as civil as I can in keeping so far with the thread.................................but really, please don't try and convince us that you and others purchased these cards out of a sense of civic duty, to help out original owners, please. You bought them to provide YOU with a discount against future purchases, no other reason. Sure you were enticed with the "lifetime" offer, but you took a chance and it backfired. These cards, I'm sure, were never meant for the open market, the fact that people used them for that purpose, is an issue Emotiva should have forseen and matched the card to the serial number of the original product purchased. That they didn't is down to them, but things change in this world. I got a 15 year guarantee with a company who re-roofed my house. Along came the pandemic, down went the company - no warranty.
Oh please, it was mutually beneficial to both of us, seller and buyer. Not a civic duty! 🤯 Are you an Emotiva spokesman? Enticed with a promise and then barely notice that they’ve changed their mind and rapidly depressed the cards value and any hope of getting any return for our investment.Your guarantee with the roofing company went out of business, Sorry for your loss! Emotiva has not gone out of business and I hope they don’t. I wish them success and growth. I’m not here to mince words with anybody and I’m sorry if you were given the impression that I was doing a civic duty. Things do change in the world, sadly sometimes people get hurt. Peace i still don’t understand your first sentence about keeping your post civil, has somebody offended you to the point that your upset enough to be uncivil? That just blows my mind. This obviously has no impact on you financially but to many others of us it does.
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Post by steelman1991 on Nov 5, 2020 14:54:08 GMT -5
I'll try and keep this as civil as I can in keeping so far with the thread.................................but really, please don't try and convince us that you and others purchased these cards out of a sense of civic duty, to help out original owners, please. You bought them to provide YOU with a discount against future purchases, no other reason. Sure you were enticed with the "lifetime" offer, but you took a chance and it backfired. These cards, I'm sure, were never meant for the open market, the fact that people used them for that purpose, is an issue Emotiva should have forseen and matched the card to the serial number of the original product purchased. That they didn't is down to them, but things change in this world. I got a 15 year guarantee with a company who re-roofed my house. Along came the pandemic, down went the company - no warranty.
Oh please, it was mutually beneficial to both of us, seller and buyer. Not a civic duty! 🤯 Are you an Emotiva spokesman? Enticed with a promise and then barely notice that they’ve changed their mind and rapidly depressed the cards value and any hope of getting any return for our investment.Your guarantee with the roofing company went out of business, Sorry for your loss! Emotiva has not gone out of business and I hope they don’t. I wish them success and growth. I’m not here to mince words with anybody and I’m sorry if you were given the impression that I was doing a civic duty. Things do change in the world, sadly sometimes people get hurt. Peace i still don’t understand your first sentence about keeping your post civil, has somebody offended you to the point that your upset enough to be uncivil? That just blows my mind. This obviously has no impact on you financially but to many others of us it does.
You're right no loss to me, so I'm outta here - I couldn't care less what Emotiva do - but there's a lot of angst from a lot of people who played the system and might lose.
You made out you were doing others a big favour - you weren't you were doing what was right for you. Anyway Peace to you too.
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Post by Soup on Nov 5, 2020 17:13:05 GMT -5
If you are never looking back....why are you here? Not sure what your issue is but what Dan did is LAME!
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Post by garbulky on Nov 5, 2020 17:32:56 GMT -5
So looking at the card itself it say It says ENTITLES user to a 40% discount of gen 3 or higher. There is no fine print showing an expiration date. As these don't expire, the company can't turn around and not honor them anymore. I don't think their denial to honor them would hold up against a legal challenge. Does anybody have the actual wording of how these cards were advertised from way back then on the website? Here is their wording for their first gen 40% off on their website "We also have an incredible, continuing policy that offers a 40% DISCOUNT on future generation processors to any original owners of Emotiva processor. If you bought an LMC-, DMC-1, or MMC-1in the past, you're entitled to 40% off any of our future generation processors when they become available. This is not a one-time special, but a continuing part of the Emotiva business model.". As you can see it says it's NOT A ONE TIME SPECIAL. And 40% of ANY future processor. It also says in another section " Only originally issued certificates from Emotiva will be honored. The original certificate is transferable in the event of a personal sale or can be gifted."
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Post by megash0n on Nov 5, 2020 18:28:43 GMT -5
So looking at the card itself it say It says ENTITLES user to a 40% discount of gen 3 or higher. There is no fine print showing an expiration date. As these don't expire, the company can't turn around and not honor them anymore. I don't think their denial to honor them would hold up against a legal challenge. Does anybody have the actual wording of how these cards were advertised from way back then on the website? Here is their wording for their first gen 40% off on their website "We also have an incredible, continuing policy that offers a 40% DISCOUNT on future generation processors to any original owners of Emotiva processor. If you bought an LMC-, DMC-1, or MMC-1in the past, you're entitled to 40% off any of our future generation processors when they become available. This is not a one-time special, but a continuing part of the Emotiva business model.". As you can see it says it's NOT A ONE TIME SPECIAL. And 40% of ANY future processor. It also says in another section " Only originally issued certificates from Emotiva will be honored. The original certificate is transferable in the event of a personal sale or can be gifted." I have my popcorn waiting for round two of this. Everyone does a fire sale on these and dumps them cheap. Then, Emotiva changes its direction causing an even larger uproar.
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Post by monkumonku on Nov 5, 2020 18:36:22 GMT -5
So looking at the card itself it say It says ENTITLES user to a 40% discount of gen 3 or higher. There is no fine print showing an expiration date. As these don't expire, the company can't turn around and not honor them anymore. I don't think their denial to honor them would hold up against a legal challenge. Does anybody have the actual wording of how these cards were advertised from way back then on the website? Here is their wording for their first gen 40% off on their website "We also have an incredible, continuing policy that offers a 40% DISCOUNT on future generation processors to any original owners of Emotiva processor. If you bought an LMC-, DMC-1, or MMC-1in the past, you're entitled to 40% off any of our future generation processors when they become available. This is not a one-time special, but a continuing part of the Emotiva business model.". As you can see it says it's NOT A ONE TIME SPECIAL. And 40% of ANY future processor. It also says in another section " Only originally issued certificates from Emotiva will be honored. The original certificate is transferable in the event of a personal sale or can be gifted." True, but on the other hand it also does not say that there is "no expiration date" or "does not expire." So I think in terms of legality, the ruling would be based on whether the absence of specifically stating it doesn't expire would be presumed to mean it never expires, or, would it mean the card has a "reasonable" lifetime. As stated in the podcast, Emo never intended for these cards to be traded in the open market; they were intended as a reward for brand loyalty. But where they erred and created confusion was in not being more specific as to the terms on which the cards could be used.
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Post by cawgijoe on Nov 5, 2020 19:49:43 GMT -5
If you are never looking back....why are you here? Not sure what your issue is but what Dan did is LAME! I have no problem. If you read my earlier posts you will see that I believe the company should make an attempt to broadcast this change. I think it’s the right thing to do. The only issue I have is that you don’t own an Emotiva product, so does it really matter to you?
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Post by novisnick on Nov 5, 2020 20:03:31 GMT -5
monkumonku Dan said that he didn’t care how they were used and to enjoy. I’ve read his quote and was there when he posted it. Let’s not let this get To he said she said because the inter webs never really delete anything.
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Post by novisnick on Nov 5, 2020 20:17:12 GMT -5
Just for the record here. I’ve always been a huge advocate of Dan and Emotiva & Co. I’ve always liked the down home family kind of company that they’ve projected. They a good people dealing with a very finicky population, namely, US. It’s not easy but they and small companies like theirs and mine have chosen to do it. We have a passion and so does Emotiva. I have purchased and still own tens of thousands of dollars of Emotiva gear. I have spread the Emotiva name gladly as I believed in them and their products. I purchased several cards for personal use, I don’t eBay or sell much of my gear. I surly don’t flip gear. These cards were for personal use and I was told and believed that they would be honored today, tomorrow and for any Emotiva processor in the future. Now there’s a glut in the market for these cards as it has been announced that they will shortly be worthless. It saddens me by what I was told in a private message from the founder. I’m just in disbelief! But it is what it is.
Thanks for providing this lounge Dan Laufman and Emotiva, I’ve enjoyed it very much and have made many friends here.
Dan’s old tag line, Peace
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Post by monkumonku on Nov 5, 2020 20:52:42 GMT -5
monkumonku Dan said that he didn’t care how they were used and to enjoy. I’ve read his quote and was there when he posted it. Let’s not let this get To he said she said because the inter webs never really delete anything. True, he shouldn't have said something like that. But I think either Emo needs to take their lumps and continue honoring the cards forever or else take their lumps and call it quits by giving it a deadline. Considering that most of the cards are probably in the hands of those who are looking to sell them for a gain (and I know that is not why you have them, but I think the majority made their way into the market for that purpose, and that is how you were able to obtain them), this goes against the intent of the cards and so that's why they're discontinuing it. Another DIYD DIYD situation.
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Post by klinemj on Nov 5, 2020 21:39:49 GMT -5
I purchased several cards for personal use Wow - how many have you bought, how many have you used, and how many do you still have? Mark
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Post by ttocs on Nov 5, 2020 21:42:22 GMT -5
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Post by novisnick on Nov 5, 2020 21:58:23 GMT -5
I purchased several cards for personal use Wow - how many have you bought, how many have you used, and how many do you still have? Mark How many are you willing to buy? Nick
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Post by klinemj on Nov 5, 2020 21:59:45 GMT -5
Wow - how many have you bought, how many have you used, and how many do you still have? Mark How many are you willing to buy? Nick None - just curious... Mark
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Post by novisnick on Nov 5, 2020 22:07:00 GMT -5
How many are you willing to buy? Nick None - just curious... Mark Got to pay to play! LOL Ive used one for the RMC-1 as I’d never have been able to afford such a luxury. For that Im greatful. I’ve also purchased a new XMC-1 but sold it before they’re resale price woud have gone down. Only to find out later that it would have been much much better had I held on t it. Didn’t know Emo was going to offer such a trade in. My loss and I never complained about it. I had planned on buying a more advanced unit for the Mrs when here UMC-200 crapped out and then eventually upgrading to the RMC-2 if such a thing were to happen. I really wanted to continue supporting Emotiva with continued purchases but my income doesn’t match my desires! Who’s does? LOL Thats as much as I’ll say ATP Peace By the way, Mrs system is fully Emotiva
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Post by garbulky on Nov 5, 2020 22:24:21 GMT -5
So looking at the card itself it say It says ENTITLES user to a 40% discount of gen 3 or higher. There is no fine print showing an expiration date. As these don't expire, the company can't turn around and not honor them anymore. I don't think their denial to honor them would hold up against a legal challenge. Does anybody have the actual wording of how these cards were advertised from way back then on the website? Here is their wording for their first gen 40% off on their website "We also have an incredible, continuing policy that offers a 40% DISCOUNT on future generation processors to any original owners of Emotiva processor. If you bought an LMC-, DMC-1, or MMC-1in the past, you're entitled to 40% off any of our future generation processors when they become available. This is not a one-time special, but a continuing part of the Emotiva business model.". As you can see it says it's NOT A ONE TIME SPECIAL. And 40% of ANY future processor. It also says in another section " Only originally issued certificates from Emotiva will be honored. The original certificate is transferable in the event of a personal sale or can be gifted." True, but on the other hand it also does not say that there is "no expiration date" or "does not expire." it says gen 3 OR HIGHER. If there are no other qualifications, it would mean that as long as Emotiva is producing an AV processor newer than gen 2, then this has to be honored. "Or higher" without qualifications means that it is in perpetuity as long as Emotiva produces a newer AV processor. If they said "or higher until otherwise notified" then it would give them a standing not to honor the card once adequate notification is given. It doesn't take a smart person to put in those three words or plan for that eventuality. If that wasn't the wording, then it was on purpose. It was meant to be an assurance without expiration - as long as newer processors are for sale.
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Post by Lsc on Nov 5, 2020 23:15:45 GMT -5
Clearly there were no attorneys on the Emotiva staff when they issued the cards 😬. But yes that’s what it says.
It also goes without saying that planning on using saved cards to use on future processors is not helping Emotiva - more like helping yourself and exploiting Emotiva’s boneheaded moment. You aren’t helping Emotiva when they lose money on your purchase. That’s not drinking the blue kool-aid.
Let call it what it is - however, the reality is that no one did anything wrong. Hey if I could have bought a card for $150-300 and saved $2000, it’s a home run deal! Why wouldn’t anyone do it.
Looks like Emotiva said the buck stops here - unless there is some legal proceedings, it is what it is 😳.
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