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Post by garbulky on Apr 22, 2021 5:43:56 GMT -5
I would pick the Emotiva's over the JBLs every day.  |
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Post by doc1963 on Apr 22, 2021 8:29:40 GMT -5
I forgot to add that I was looking at the JBL Stage A180 towers before I started looking closely at the T1+'s. Before I make my move in several months I just may decide to go with the JBL's afterall as I've really liked what I've heard in the few online demos available although I know you can't always put too muck stock in them. They're usually around $100 more than the T1's but there's an ebay seller with tons of outstanding feedback who's letting them go for $560 shipped which is a killer deal,IMO. I'm gonna drive myself crazy before this is all over . Hmm... An eBay seller who's "l etting them go" that far below retail...? First, I'd make sure the speakers are legit (not B-stock or gray market). Then, I'd make sure he's an "authorized" reseller (through JBL, not him). Not a legit product or authorized reseller...?, then no support and no warranty from JBL. Be careful...  EDIT: FWIW, Crutchfield carries them for $799.00/pair with free shipping. They are an "authorized" reseller and offer a 60 day money back satisfaction guarantee. |
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Post by doc1963 on Apr 22, 2021 11:03:09 GMT -5
Depending on where you live, it will be anything from a day trip....like me up to LA for a specific audition or maybe a one night stay in a big town with multiple stereo stores. Sure, it's a hassle, but I personally hate shipping stuff back and forth. But maybe that's just me being old fashioned? Old fashioned, no, maybe just adventurous... I wholeheartedly agree that "if" you can personally audition speakers that you are interested in owning, then by all means you should make an effort to do so. I would have no problem paying a visit to both of the two remaining "high end" audio/video brick & mortar stores that have survived in the Baltimore metro area. I've done just that for most of my life. Outside of Best Buy's "Magnolia", those are my only two choices. The rest of the local "audio" dealers are focused solely on car audio. But, using the Airmotiv's as an example, if I couldn't locate someone locally who not only owned them, but was also willing to entertain a perfect stranger in their home, my only recourse would be to make a 733 mile trip (one way) from Perry Hall, MD to Franklin, TN (which is a 12-13 hour drive). So, considering fuel costs, tolls, hotel accommodations, food, and lost wages (since Emotiva is not open on weekends), I'd be more than happy simply buying them, auditioning them in my own home (and with my own front-end) and returning them if they do not meet my expectations. All I'm out is the cost of return shipping and a trip to the local UPS Store. Since I don't change my equipment more often than I change my socks, I'm okay with that...  |
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Post by leonski on Apr 22, 2021 12:35:29 GMT -5
Sorry for the thread hijack - yes you are correct dividing both sides by (a-b) means you are dividing by zero (as a=b) which is undefined creating a meaningless equation! Nerd out. I'm sending a quote of this to my 8th grade math teacher as proof that I eventually almost got it...... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 12:44:20 GMT -5
Sorry for the thread hijack - yes you are correct dividing both sides by (a-b) means you are dividing by zero (as a=b) which is undefined creating a meaningless equation! Nerd out. I'm sending a quote of this to my 8th grade math teacher as proof that I eventually almost got it...... I'm not a mathematician and not even much of a logician someone correct me if wrong, but my first thoughts were of the laws of logic: P equals or " IS" P. The law of noncontradiction: P is not non-P. The law of the excluded middle: Either P or non-P. leonski In other words an 8 ohm speaker is not a 4 ohm speaker. Therefore, no contradiction exists in the varying sensitivity rating at 2.83 volts. However, it is illogical to state that an 8 ohm speaker ought equal a 4 ohm speaker as if they're the same thereby violating the law of identity. An apple is an apple and not an orange therefore do not expect the apple to exhibit the identical nature of an orange. |
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Post by headknocker on Apr 22, 2021 21:25:52 GMT -5
I forgot to add that I was looking at the JBL Stage A180 towers before I started looking closely at the T1+'s. Before I make my move in several months I just may decide to go with the JBL's afterall as I've really liked what I've heard in the few online demos available although I know you can't always put too muck stock in them. They're usually around $100 more than the T1's but there's an ebay seller with tons of outstanding feedback who's letting them go for $560 shipped which is a killer deal,IMO. I'm gonna drive myself crazy before this is all over . Hmm... An eBay seller who's "l etting them go" that far below retail...? First, I'd make sure the speakers are legit (not B-stock or gray market). Then, I'd make sure he's an "authorized" reseller (through JBL, not him). Not a legit product or authorized reseller...?, then no support and no warranty from JBL. Be careful... EDIT: FWIW, Crutchfield carries them for $799.00/pair with free shipping. They are an "authorized" reseller and offer a 60 day money back satisfaction guarantee. I just checked again and the ebay seller's name is Sound Distributors and they're a factory authorized dealer for everything they sell and everything comes with a full factory warranty. They're located in Las Vegas and they have a 100% positive feedback rating which is impressive/reassuring since they have over 15k feedback from buyers. I'm still leaning towards the T1's however. |
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Post by ken51 on Apr 23, 2021 8:30:26 GMT -5
Thanks, Doc. I have two Atlantic Technology SB-1000 10" powered subs in my main HT room and I'm planning to take one of them and put it in the new system...I'm good in regards to the low-end for the time being. To be honest, the room in question is really just a tentative decision...not really set in stone. There's another room on the other side of the house which is also a viable option and it's significantly larger than my daughter's current bedroom...it's our other TV room and it's 15' x 13.5'. The way the room is configured the electronics can only would be situated along the back of the shorter wall and the speakers would be firing towards our semi-open kitchen. The main listening position would be around 10' from each speaker. Does that change your opinion about the T1 and T2 in my situation? Larger rooms can accommodate larger speakers... but the only thing afforded to you by moving up the Airmotiv chain is a bit deeper bass response. The basic "voicing" will likely remain unchanged. The Zeros when used in combination with a subwoofer would offer you the greatest flexibility in a smaller room where achieving smooth bass response might be a challenge. Once proper imaging is attained, the speakers must remain in place, but the subwoofer can be located where it gives you optimal low-end room response. In a larger room, the T1 would likely be ideal. In a room that may be dimensionally small, but opens up to other living spaces, the T-2 might be a better choice as there's more cubic space to fill. But keep in mind that all three (T-Zero, T-1 and T-2) are rear ported. So for smoothest "non-boomy" low end response, adequate space for placement from the rear wall will be very important. Not sure if you'd want a large tower sitting three feet forward in a smallish room when a smaller tower could equally get the job done in the same space while also being able to sit a bit closer to the back wall... So before you make a choice between any of the three, I'd decide where you're going to use them and go from there. |
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Post by ken51 on Apr 23, 2021 16:26:53 GMT -5
My room is 19x11. Speakers are 4’ from the front wall and 2 1/2 “ from the side. And the rear opens to the kitchen. The T 0s fill the room. Excellent staging and strong center image. My previous speakers, as I now realize, were too big for the room.. They sounded great but imaging was always an issue with me. I think, also, your musical preferences play a roll. I listen to mostly Americana, jazz, classical, and more mellow artists like Mark Knopfler, Richard Thompson, and a lot of female singers. For that, my system sounds fine. I don’t think it would do for heavier rock, and big orchestral pieces. Btw, my listening distance is 9’.
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Post by headknocker on Apr 23, 2021 22:19:42 GMT -5
My room is 19x11. Speakers are 4’ from the front wall and 2 1/2 “ from the side. And the rear opens to the kitchen. The T 0s fill the room. Excellent staging and strong center image. My previous speakers, as I now realize, were too big for the room.. They sounded great but imaging was always an issue with me. I think, also, your musical preferences play a roll. I listen to mostly Americana, jazz, classical, and more mellow artists like Mark Knopfler, Richard Thompson, and a lot of female singers. For that, my system sounds fine. I don’t think it would do for heavier rock, and big orchestral pieces. Btw, my listening distance is 9’. Thanks for the feedback. I listen primarily to rock but I occasionally listen to classical music. |
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Post by leonski on Apr 23, 2021 23:45:41 GMT -5
That's a decent space. I just want to add one minor point.
11x19 is 209 square feet. But we live in a 3D world So? How tall is the ceiling? A 10' ceiling gives a generous 2000+ CUBIC feet.
A more standard 8' ceiling gives less than 1700 cubic feet.
The 'Cubes' will give a better idea of how much LF input you need for satisfying bass.....
My room is similar in that it is maybe 12' wide and 25' or so long... BUT it has a huge vaulted ceiling (11' at the peak) and might end
up over 4000 cubic feet. A large space which if not such an irregular shape, might even warrant 2 'better' subs......As it is? A single
12" sub is quite satisfactory for even 'the dinosaur movie' where each step will rattle stuff on the walls......Nice effect!
I've seen some images here on the threads of some Massive and AMBITIOUS sub systems providing the lower end for some very nice
systems, indeed. I don't have the $$$ OR the space......Maybe 20 years ago if I'd won the Lottery?
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Post by ken51 on Apr 24, 2021 4:57:01 GMT -5
My ceiling is vaulted to 9’. My sub is an old Boston Acoustic 10” Pv 500. My wife, who couldn’t care less about music fidelity, remarked, as we were prepping dinner and listening to Keith Jarrett, it sounded like someone was playing our piano.
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Post by leonski on Apr 24, 2021 22:42:44 GMT -5
My ceiling is vaulted to 9’. My sub is an old Boston Acoustic 10” Pv 500. My wife, who couldn’t care less about music fidelity, remarked, as we were prepping dinner and listening to Keith Jarrett, it sounded like someone was playing our piano. Good! That's the first step in getting 'wife buy-in' to this whole hi-fi thing. |
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Post by headknocker on May 29, 2021 13:24:16 GMT -5
The JBL Stage speaker line is being discontinued and Crutchfield is currently selling the A180's on ebay for $480/pair($240/each). I almost jumped on that very enticing deal but my heart is set on the T1+ at this point...just have to save a little longer to get what I truly want.
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Post by leonski on May 29, 2021 15:04:17 GMT -5
DOC, First T-Zero reviewer doesn't even SHOW the speaker.....lots of meaningless gab.
I'll maintain the only good review is the ONE YOU GIVE IT after listening and using in your house.
I'm interested in some KLIPSCH Forte IV speakers. But won't get excited until I hear 'em at the dealer.....And than the matter of proper amplification comes to the front.
Something about 25 a side of EL34 amp......
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