|
|
Post by jbrunwa on Sept 16, 2021 15:27:55 GMT -5
I know there is probably no answer to this but - has Emotiva give, or can Emotiva give, any estimated time frame as to when an updated firmware fix would be available for this? It has been quite a few months since the last firmware so it would be great to know if this was coming within the next month or two. I don't have many chances to run Dirac and want to wait to do so until this is hopefully fixed, it would be nice to know when to look for this. I know the answer is probably that there is no known date yet but still.. The elevated bass does not affect Dirac measurements or filter creation. The processor adds the bass after the fact. So if you run Dirac now you will be able to use the filters with any new firmware release that might fix the bass issue. … unless the firmware update is not compatible with saved filters for some reason. |
|
|
|
Post by geebo on Sept 16, 2021 16:28:29 GMT -5
The elevated bass does not affect Dirac measurements or filter creation. The processor adds the bass after the fact. So if you run Dirac now you will be able to use the filters with any new firmware release that might fix the bass issue. … unless the firmware update is not compatible with saved filters for some reason. Not likely. Dirac software measures and then creates the filters and Emotiva conforms to them. Emotiva has never released a firmware where you had to re run Dirac measurements. Not with the XMC-1 nor with the current gen processors. |
|
|
|
Post by ElectricKoolAid on Sept 21, 2021 8:32:57 GMT -5
… unless the firmware update is not compatible with saved filters for some reason. Not likely. Dirac software measures and then creates the filters and Emotiva conforms to them. Emotiva has never released a firmware where you had to re run Dirac measurements. Not with the XMC-1 nor with the current gen processors. I just meant that I don't want to run Dirac again until the bass levels are fixed. I know it doesn't effect Dirac but I don't want to spend the time on that until I can run Dirac and know that after I set the filter the bass is as it should be...if that makes sense. |
|
|
|
Post by ElectricKoolAid on Sept 23, 2021 15:25:27 GMT -5
I know there is probably no answer to this but - has Emotiva give, or can Emotiva give, any estimated time frame as to when an updated firmware fix would be available for this? It has been quite a few months since the last firmware so it would be great to know if this was coming within the next month or two. I don't have many chances to run Dirac and want to wait to do so until this is hopefully fixed, it would be nice to know when to look for this. I know the answer is probably that there is no known date yet but still.. Time frame? No clue. But tomorrow I'll see if there's something to spill, informational-wise. I'm assuming no update means no news?  |
|
ttocs
Global Moderator 
I always have a wonderful time, wherever I am, whomever I'm with. (Elwood P Dowd)
Posts: 8,162
|
Post by ttocs on Sept 24, 2021 9:34:50 GMT -5
Time frame? No clue. But tomorrow I'll see if there's something to spill, informational-wise. I'm assuming no update means no news? Haven't heard. So I guess no news is no news.  |
|
|
|
Post by ElectricKoolAid on Sept 24, 2021 12:53:23 GMT -5
I'm assuming no update means no news? Haven't heard. So I guess no news is no news. Bummer...I'll continue watching this thread for updates in the meantime. Thanks again for working on this! |
|
sealman
Minor Hero
You shouldn't have decorated your saloon with my friend!
Posts: 78 
|
Post by sealman on Sept 24, 2021 12:53:53 GMT -5
I am still amazed at the lack of responses or complaints from owners of the Emotiva prepros with the elevated bass management issues. I had to send my XMC-2 in for a replacement for an unrelated issue and used my old backup receiver (Denon X4000) for about 3-4 weeks. I did not bother running Audyssey and just calibrated it with my spl meter. When my XMC-2 was returned I calibrated it the same as I did with the Denon and holy crap was the bass an over blown mess.
I can only assume that all the owners that are not complaining are either running an earlier firmware version or just lowered the gains to reduce the bass output and called it good.
|
|
|
|
Post by marcl on Sept 24, 2021 13:09:02 GMT -5
I am still amazed at the lack of responses or complaints from owners of the Emotiva prepros with the elevated bass management issues. I had to send my XMC-2 in for a replacement for an unrelated issue and used my old backup receiver (Denon X4000) for about 3-4 weeks. I did not bother running Audyssey and just calibrated it with my spl meter. When my XMC-2 was returned I calibrated it the same as I did with the Denon and holy crap was the bass an over blown mess. I can only assume that all the owners that are not complaining are either running an earlier firmware version or just lowered the gains to reduce the bass output and called it good. Yes it sure is dramatic for some of us. But then there are those who add 4, 6 even 10db gain using the (misapplied) Harman curves. And those who - after Dirac removes a 15db resonance at 40Hz - complain "Dirac killed my bass". Bass is very personal, it seems. Rumor has it (  ) progress is being made, and there are some other updates that need to be attended to also. Patience. |
|
|
|
Post by davidl81 on Sept 24, 2021 13:23:42 GMT -5
I am still amazed at the lack of responses or complaints from owners of the Emotiva prepros with the elevated bass management issues. I had to send my XMC-2 in for a replacement for an unrelated issue and used my old backup receiver (Denon X4000) for about 3-4 weeks. I did not bother running Audyssey and just calibrated it with my spl meter. When my XMC-2 was returned I calibrated it the same as I did with the Denon and holy crap was the bass an over blown mess. I can only assume that all the owners that are not complaining are either running an earlier firmware version or just lowered the gains to reduce the bass output and called it good. I have just resolved to turn down my sub by 6dB or so and it’s okay. But this is really not an acceptable solution |
|
|
|
Post by jbrunwa on Sept 24, 2021 13:41:53 GMT -5
I am still amazed at the lack of responses or complaints from owners of the Emotiva prepros with the elevated bass management issues. I had to send my XMC-2 in for a replacement for an unrelated issue and used my old backup receiver (Denon X4000) for about 3-4 weeks. I did not bother running Audyssey and just calibrated it with my spl meter. When my XMC-2 was returned I calibrated it the same as I did with the Denon and holy crap was the bass an over blown mess. I can only assume that all the owners that are not complaining are either running an earlier firmware version or just lowered the gains to reduce the bass output and called it good. I have just resolved to turn down my sub by 6dB or so and it’s okay. But this is really not an acceptable solution I’m running all speakers small with subs -10 dB |
|
|
|
Post by jbrunwa on Sept 25, 2021 12:36:01 GMT -5
Some people prefer bass boost of +3 to +6 or more, especially if they don’t already EQ a Harman or similar frequency response curve. So these folks may even like the bass boost, and may have to increase it when and if Emotiva corrects the elevated bass management. I am not one of them, but guess this is why some people don’t hear anything wrong.
|
|
|
|
Post by 405x5 on Sept 25, 2021 13:03:31 GMT -5
I think it’s very telling that there has been only one post on this thread from the technical expertise employed.
|
|
|
|
Post by marcl on Sept 25, 2021 13:05:59 GMT -5
Some people prefer bass boost of +3 to +6 or more, especially if they don’t already EQ a Harman or similar frequency response curve. So these folks may even like the bass boost, and may have to increase it when and if Emotiva corrects the elevated bass management. I am not one of them, but guess this is why some people don’t hear anything wrong. There are a couple very specific scenarios where there is no work around. For those (admittedly few) who send bass management to large speakers, there is no work around. The large speakers playing their channels (typically L/R Front) will always have less bass than the bass they play from the small speakers. And for those using subs, turning the sub level down to compensate for the bass management boost, lowers the LFE level. But yes ... I bet there are people (we haven't heard from) who brag to their friends how much "better bass" they have since 2.2. |
|
|
|
Post by davidl81 on Sept 25, 2021 16:29:15 GMT -5
Some people prefer bass boost of +3 to +6 or more, especially if they don’t already EQ a Harman or similar frequency response curve. So these folks may even like the bass boost, and may have to increase it when and if Emotiva corrects the elevated bass management. I am not one of them, but guess this is why some people don’t hear anything wrong. Maybe I could see with certain movies where the extra bass on an explosion or something is kinda neat. But I played a concert blu-ray and the bass was obnoxious. So I guess it slightly depends on your source. |
|
|
|
Post by ElectricKoolAid on Sept 27, 2021 8:27:44 GMT -5
Some people prefer bass boost of +3 to +6 or more, especially if they don’t already EQ a Harman or similar frequency response curve. So these folks may even like the bass boost, and may have to increase it when and if Emotiva corrects the elevated bass management. I am not one of them, but guess this is why some people don’t hear anything wrong. Maybe I could see with certain movies where the extra bass on an explosion or something is kinda neat. But I played a concert blu-ray and the bass was obnoxious. So I guess it slightly depends on your source. Definitely agree. I run Dirac with the +10 Harman curve so I love some bass but I'd prefer to get the correct levels and then adjust as necessary so I know my levels are what they are set to and supposed to be. |
|
sealman
Minor Hero
You shouldn't have decorated your saloon with my friend!
Posts: 78
|
Post by sealman on Oct 16, 2021 19:08:33 GMT -5
Maybe I could see with certain movies where the extra bass on an explosion or something is kinda neat. But I played a concert blu-ray and the bass was obnoxious. So I guess it slightly depends on your source. Definitely agree. I run Dirac with the +10 Harman curve so I love some bass but I'd prefer to get the correct levels and then adjust as necessary so I know my levels are what they are set to and supposed to be. The problem is that the small speaker bass is what is really hot and not the LFE . By turning it down any amount after calibration to account for the +3-+9db's of extra small speaker bass you are now reducing the LFE channel by that amount. |
|
|
|
Post by 405x5 on Oct 17, 2021 11:21:18 GMT -5
Elevatored Bass issue Solved!  |
|
|
|
Post by davidl81 on Oct 17, 2021 23:48:38 GMT -5
Definitely agree. I run Dirac with the +10 Harman curve so I love some bass but I'd prefer to get the correct levels and then adjust as necessary so I know my levels are what they are set to and supposed to be. The problem is that the small speaker bass is what is really hot and not the LFE . By turning it down any amount after calibration to account for the +3-+9db's of extra small speaker bass you are now reducing the LFE channel by that amount. Interesting. My fronts are set to large and I haven’t really noticed extra bass from them. It’s all been in my subs that the extra bass seems to come from. And certain movies seem to bring the bass out more. I have a Metallica Blu-ray (S&M2) which is fantastic, but the bass from the sub is obnoxious. I have to turn the sub down 6dB to be able to watch it. But I also watched Avengers Endgame and never adjusted the sub. Endgame was bass heavy, but it was only during the big “loud” parts and the extra bass almost added to the impact. Where with the Metallica Blu-ray the extra bass was more noticeable (and much more constant since Lars likes his dual bass drums). |
|
ttocs
Global Moderator
I always have a wonderful time, wherever I am, whomever I'm with. (Elwood P Dowd)
Posts: 8,162
|
Post by ttocs on Oct 18, 2021 6:31:54 GMT -5
The problem is that the small speaker bass is what is really hot and not the LFE . By turning it down any amount after calibration to account for the +3-+9db's of extra small speaker bass you are now reducing the LFE channel by that amount. Interesting. My fronts are set to large and I haven’t really noticed extra bass from them. It’s all been in my subs that the extra bass seems to come from. And certain movies seem to bring the bass out more. I have a Metallica Blu-ray (S&M2) which is fantastic, but the bass from the sub is obnoxious. I have to turn the sub down 6dB to be able to watch it. But I also watched Avengers Endgame and never adjusted the sub. Endgame was bass heavy, but it was only during the big “loud” parts and the extra bass almost added to the impact. Where with the Metallica Blu-ray the extra bass was more noticeable (and much more constant since Lars likes his dual bass drums). To notice elevated bass in Large Fronts the system would also need to be setup with no subwoofer channel for Mono. So, if the system is setup with Center Sub LFE, and no other subs, the Large Fronts will have elevated BM for any Small channels. But, if there is a subwoofer channel setup for Mono, then all BM will be sent there, so the Large Fronts will be unaffected. |
|
|
|
Post by hsamwel on Oct 23, 2021 16:15:08 GMT -5
I haven’t really been following this issue fully..
I have dual subs daisy chained and RMC-1 sees these as only one.
How does this issue effect me?
Can someone please do a quick explanation how this manifests depending on setup?
|
|
) progress is being made, and there are some other updates that need to be attended to also. Patience.
