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Post by garbulky on Jul 30, 2021 2:14:32 GMT -5
Any consideration on Emotiva producing their own Ice Power IceEdge/nCore Amps? There is a big market in the DIY space that Emotiva could easily take some market share. Class D should complement DR2 and the rest of GEN 3 amps. They had a lineup called Emersa which was ice power. It looked very nice but I believe it’s either cancelled or on hold |
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Post by goodfellas27 on Jul 30, 2021 15:56:43 GMT -5
Oh, yeah! I remember that. I was hoping for Emotiva to come out with the Emersa line to replace my XPA7 GEN2 with a much lighter and cooler running amp. I got tired of waiting and got the IcePower IceEdge Amps. Any consideration on Emotiva producing their own Ice Power IceEdge/nCore Amps? There is a big market in the DIY space that Emotiva could easily take some market share. Class D should complement DR2 and the rest of GEN 3 amps. They had a lineup called Emersa which was ice power. It looked very nice but I believe it’s either cancelled or on hold |
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Post by bobfriedman on Jul 30, 2021 19:08:34 GMT -5
should I expect the same performance with the XPA-X series?... I own an XPA-3 and XPA-9.
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Post by goodfellas27 on Jul 30, 2021 22:57:56 GMT -5
I would assume is worse that DR2 since XPA-X has more channels and they are not "full deferential" balance amps. However, if you're happing with them, that is all that matters. should I expect the same performance with the XPA-X series?... I own an XPA-3 and XPA-9. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 31, 2021 0:23:56 GMT -5
… I got tired of waiting and got the IcePower IceEdge Amps. Who’s amp did you get? |
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Post by assy74 on Jul 31, 2021 16:01:04 GMT -5
I have a dr2 and cant hear any distortion..... If I should complain about something, that is the sound which is a bit flat compared to xpr5. I compared them directly towards each other and in my opinion the xpr5 was a hair better. Even though the xpr5 had a very low hiss, the dr2 was dead silent. But xpr5 had a bit more warmt in my system. But the difference was very little 😁
My xpr5 has been sold and replaced with a Ati 6005..... Very suble difference and the ati wins by very little.... Not enough compared to the price.
Not tried to compare the dr2 to 6005 yet. Maybe when the winter is coming.
As others say in hier.... There are better amps than dr2. But you have to pay shitloads for it.
The dr2 can drive hard speakers with ease.... And I am happy with it 😎
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Post by davidl81 on Jul 31, 2021 20:20:06 GMT -5
I have a dr2 and cant hear any distortion..... If I should complain about something, that is the sound which is a bit flat compared to xpr5. I compared them directly towards each other and in my opinion the xpr5 was a hair better. Even though the xpr5 had a very low hiss, the dr2 was dead silent. But xpr5 had a bit more warmt in my system. But the difference was very little 😁 My xpr5 has been sold and replaced with a Ati 6005..... Very suble difference and the ati wins by very little.... Not enough compared to the price. Not tried to compare the dr2 to 6005 yet. Maybe when the winter is coming. As others say in hier.... There are better amps than dr2. But you have to pay shitloads for it. The dr2 can drive hard speakers with ease.... And I am happy with it 😎 Yes it may sound good for the price, but look at those charts posted in this thread! How on earth can you think it sounds good, you must have bad ears! (PS all of this is sarcasm as I think the DR-2 is solid as can be for its price) |
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Post by goodfellas27 on Jul 31, 2021 22:05:58 GMT -5
Apollon's 2400 Takes about 3 weeks for turn around, but worth the wait. Using it in "mono" configuration. so channel 1 and 3 … I got tired of waiting and got the IcePower IceEdge Amps. Who’s amp did you get? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 31, 2021 22:58:35 GMT -5
Apollon's 2400 Takes about 3 weeks for turn around, but worth the wait. Using it in "mono" configuration. so channel 1 and 3 Nice, looks like a monster! So this didn’t replace your XPA-7? |
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Post by goodfellas27 on Aug 1, 2021 23:10:38 GMT -5
Yes. I replaced the XPA-7 Gen2 with three 2400 Apollon's 2400 Takes about 3 weeks for turn around, but worth the wait. Using it in "mono" configuration. so channel 1 and 3 Nice, looks like a monster! So this didn’t replace your XPA-7? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Aug 1, 2021 23:54:07 GMT -5
Yes. I replaced the XPA-7 Gen2 with three 2400 Nice, looks like a monster! So this didn’t replace your XPA-7? 😮😮😮 So … 1200W x 6? (that’s the 8 ohm mono rating right?) |
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Post by goodfellas27 on Aug 2, 2021 20:20:54 GMT -5
Yes- a total of over 5Kwatts of power reserved. Nice and controlled sound with awesome separation. My other amp sounded blur in comparison. Each unit has two IceEdge boards So, 1200 watts in mono mode rating x 8 channels the Apollon 2400 has 4 channels. Their 4800 has 8 channels. DR2 has monster power like Amir showed, but at a cost. This IceEdge are great at producing clean power. Yes. I replaced the XPA-7 Gen2 with three 2400 😮😮😮 So … 1200W x 6? (that’s the 8 ohm mono rating right?) |
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Post by bobfriedman on Aug 9, 2021 14:16:58 GMT -5
does emotive have any technical comment on the ASR article/analysis??
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Post by rockman85 on Aug 9, 2021 14:41:47 GMT -5
Just my 2 cents here, and full disclosure I do not understand any of the engineering graphs that people post on here, but I honestly don't know what people are talking about with "distortion". What is distortion supposed to sound like? Because I have never heard it using any Emotiva Amp, I have owned the A-300 and the DR-2. If distortion = speaker hiss, its definitely not an issue. I have very sensitive speakers at 95db and I listen to music pretty loud, like really loud. And I cannot hear any of this "bad" noise that the chart is supposedly showing. Feels like splitting hairs over a negligible difference in figures.
Its like the difference in a horse race, sure, there is a winner, but the other horses were all just feet behind. All horses were super fast and I would be happy to eat any of them.
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Post by goodfellas27 on Aug 10, 2021 9:30:47 GMT -5
It's the channel separation, clarity of the sound. You'll more likely hear sound nuances in a lower distortion amp. If you place the DR2 next to a lower distortion amp, you should heard the difference immediately. Assuming your speakers do not add their own distortion. It doesn't mean it sounds bad since that is all subjective (Tubes are full of distortion). The issues are what the Emotiva marketing is saying that doesn't line up with the independent test (read previews post). Emotiva has not address Amir's findings AFAIK. I do remember Emotiva release 3rd party ASP test showing their amp's performances. That transparency stopped with GEN 3 amps. Why is that? Is it worth the money? That's debatable. Just my 2 cents here, and full disclosure I do not understand any of the engineering graphs that people post on here, but I honestly don't know what people are talking about with "distortion". What is distortion supposed to sound like? Because I have never heard it using any Emotiva Amp, I have owned the A-300 and the DR-2. If distortion = speaker hiss, its definitely not an issue. I have very sensitive speakers at 95db and I listen to music pretty loud, like really loud. And I cannot hear any of this "bad" noise that the chart is supposedly showing. Feels like splitting hairs over a negligible difference in figures. Its like the difference in a horse race, sure, there is a winner, but the other horses were all just feet behind. All horses were super fast and I would be happy to eat any of them. |
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Post by brutiarti on Aug 10, 2021 9:55:14 GMT -5
It's the channel separation, clarity of the sound. You'll more likely hear sound nuances in a lower distortion amp. If you place the DR2 next to a lower distortion amp, you should heard the difference immediately. Assuming your speakers do not add their own distortion. It doesn't mean it sounds bad since that is all subjective (Tubes are full of distortion). The issues are what the Emotiva marketing is saying that doesn't line up with the independent test (read previews post). Emotiva has not address Amir's findings AFAIK. I do remember Emotiva release 3rd party ASP test showing their amp's performances. That transparency stopped with GEN 3 amps. Why is that? Is it worth the money? That's debatable. Just my 2 cents here, and full disclosure I do not understand any of the engineering graphs that people post on here, but I honestly don't know what people are talking about with "distortion". What is distortion supposed to sound like? Because I have never heard it using any Emotiva Amp, I have owned the A-300 and the DR-2. If distortion = speaker hiss, its definitely not an issue. I have very sensitive speakers at 95db and I listen to music pretty loud, like really loud. And I cannot hear any of this "bad" noise that the chart is supposedly showing. Feels like splitting hairs over a negligible difference in figures. Its like the difference in a horse race, sure, there is a winner, but the other horses were all just feet behind. All horses were super fast and I would be happy to eat any of them. For the world of hi-fi the most important thing is how it sounds to you. Those charts and graphs are meaningless if you don’t like how it sounds. I tried a couple of pieces that Amir recommended based on SINAD and to me ears they didn’t sound that great. Maybe I like distortion?? Who knows. None of my equipment has been measured by asr so I cannot compare. For the money that Emotiva asks for the amps I think that they are well priced based on how they sound. |
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Post by goodfellas27 on Aug 10, 2021 10:17:23 GMT -5
100% agree with. These graphs do not mean anything if you don't like the sound, hence, it's all subjective. Having distortion doesn't automatedly means it sounds bad. Some people like tube amps and they're full of distortion. Like I said before, it's all subjective. What Amir recommended system you tested that sounded bad in your rig? BTW, you have a nice setup. It's the channel separation, clarity of the sound. You'll more likely hear sound nuances in a lower distortion amp. If you place the DR2 next to a lower distortion amp, you should heard the difference immediately. Assuming your speakers do not add their own distortion. It doesn't mean it sounds bad since that is all subjective (Tubes are full of distortion). The issues are what the Emotiva marketing is saying that doesn't line up with the independent test (read previews post). Emotiva has not address Amir's findings AFAIK. I do remember Emotiva release 3rd party ASP test showing their amp's performances. That transparency stopped with GEN 3 amps. Why is that? Is it worth the money? That's debatable. For the world of hi-fi the most important thing is how it sounds to you. Those charts and graphs are meaningless if you don’t like how it sounds. I tried a couple of pieces that Amir recommended based on SINAD and to me ears they didn’t sound that great. Maybe I like distortion?? Who knows. None of my equipment has been measured by asr so I cannot compare. For the money that Emotiva asks for the amps I think that they are well priced based on how they sound. |
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Post by mgbpuff on Aug 10, 2021 10:33:54 GMT -5
Amir is too focused on just SINAD in his judgement about amps. There are many more aspects to be measured, if the total competency of an amp is to be accessed via measurements. There are measurements concerning continuous power, dynamic power, resistive to reactive load performance, bandwith (related to transient performance), cross talk, and on and on. To be sure, if an amp sounds better, there is a measurable reason that it does. But since almost no reviews, even if heavily measure tested, includes every type of test possible, there is good logic behind the ear test because in the end the sound is what it is all about.
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Post by Lsc on Aug 10, 2021 11:40:38 GMT -5
I’m not sure how good the DR2 is but I had good luck with the XPR2 & XPR5.
The XPR2 & XPR5 was going to be my forever amps until others had issues and Emotiva no longer supported them…
So in my research I was considering the DR2 and the ATI signature amps. I spoke to a dealer who recommended that I not buy the DR2 as they had them come back due to issues.
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Post by jbrunwa on Aug 10, 2021 11:58:17 GMT -5
Amir is too focused on just SINAD in his judgement about amps. There are many more aspects to be measured, if the total competency of an amp is to be accessed via measurements. There are measurements concerning continuous power, dynamic power, resistive to reactive load performance, bandwith (related to transient performance), cross talk, and on and on. To be sure, if an amp sounds better, there is a measurable reason that it does. But since almost no reviews, even if heavily measure tested, includes every type of test possible, there is good logic behind the ear test because in the end the sound is what it is all about. Maybe so, but at least ASR provides some objective measures. Manufacturers could publish third party measurements of their devices, or better yet, include a certificate of the measurements along with each new unit sold. I for one would be willing to pay extra for that. |
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