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Post by chua4780 on Nov 6, 2024 4:27:50 GMT -5
I get and understand the want/need of DLBC, I’m one of those wanting, more so out of a curiosity, but I’m highly pleased with my Anti-mode 2.0 Dual Core. As for Dirac ART, it’s been an exclusive beta program for StormAudio for over a year if not longer, and now Masimo(ie: Denton/Marantz) has announced they are at least a year out with no set date for release that I know of which points out to me they want no part of a half baked software. So why would Emotiva need to support a half baked software that isn’t even in the AV mainstream world at this point?….not to mention Dirac’s founder having just left for Harman. It’s pretty sure we will not have an Emotiva G4 with ART. Even Marantz hasn’t it. But it have Dirac & DLBC abilities. If the G4 have it, I would be happy… I have debugged both Dirac ART and trinnov WF. The WF sounds too clean. The ART does a very good job of phase fusion between the subwoofer and each speaker. ART is a must-have function in the future. |
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Post by markc on Nov 7, 2024 5:37:24 GMT -5
But most of all, a stable processor that everything just works every time. No pops/clicks, problem free eARC, fast input switching and doesn’t require a full power off (rear switch) reboot several times a week to clear a hung processor. Same for me. It's going to cost $2,000 for the upgrade to fix these problems, which is a punch in the gut.  Same here except I don't see the $2000 as an upgrade but more of a necessary fee to "tentatively" get a near identical processor which "hopefully" "eventually" fixes the erratic functionality of my current 5 year old XMC-2. (The only meaningful change on the ground from the G4P will be HDMI and eARC release improvements and a new warranty against electrical component failure (but not functionality)) My alternative is to write off the $2000 trade-in value of my XMC-2 and buy from a different manufacturer. ie after 5 years, my XMC-2 has not still been rendered able to reproduce audio from a Dolby bitstream to the correct speaker at the correct time with the expected volume and free of artefactual extraneous noise and the company has abandoned all attempts to fix it. Surely no-one is under the illusion that the still pending final firmware release for the G3P is going to be a Holy Grail release! It will be impossible for Emotiva to rescue this hardware after 5 years of supposedly trying. All this talk of DLBC and ART is folly. Emotiva need to focuss on making the basics reliable. The best digital manipulation in the universe will not make the Front Left audio playing out of my Rear Right speaker sound good let alone acceptable, even if there is no kazoo warbling happening to be going on at the same time. |
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Post by uwe on Nov 7, 2024 10:36:11 GMT -5
A bit of CLARIFICATION.... about the streaming options on the new XMC-2+ and RMC-1+.
The SECOND option will be a streamer expansion module for the RMC-1+. This will probably be a bit further out... but is definitely on the way as well. It will probably offer much the same feature options as the DRS-1... but the hardware will live in one of the RMC-1+ expansion slots. I really hope for a streamer expansion module for the RMC-1+ with LAN/WLAN and USB, and for the RMC-1+ to work with HQ-Player Desktop and support its Network Audio Adapter (NAA). Audirvana should also be able to stream to the RMC at least via HDMI and UPnP/DLNA. |
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Post by lhracing on Nov 7, 2024 11:45:09 GMT -5
But most of all, a stable processor that everything just works every time. No pops/clicks, problem free eARC, fast input switching and doesn’t require a full power off (rear switch) reboot several times a week to clear a hung processor. Same for me. It's going to cost $2,000 for the upgrade to fix these problems, which is a punch in the gut. I have been considering selling my XMC-2 for whatever I can get and moving on from Emotiva to a Marantz Cinima 50 or Denon AVR-X4800H for about the same cost. I would use one or the other as a processor with my existing amplifiers. I know the sound would be different, better or worse I don't know but with my 72 year-old ears it may not make any difference. Hopefully they would be a more solid platform and just make life easier. |
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Post by recluce on Nov 7, 2024 12:18:54 GMT -5
But most of all, a stable processor that everything just works every time. No pops/clicks, problem free eARC, fast input switching and doesn’t require a full power off (rear switch) reboot several times a week to clear a hung processor. Same for me. It's going to cost $2,000 for the upgrade to fix these problems, which is a punch in the gut. Oddly, it is always the same few people loudly complaining about these issues here on the forum. I have zero of these issues on my XMC-2, probably like most of the silent majority. Admittedly, I have the newest hardware revision of the HDMI board, so no idea if an older version would cause such behaviour.
May I suggest that you might have a defective unit that should get some TLC by Emotiva or issues with your source devices?
From my perspective, as my XMC-2 is working perfectly, I am not sure the upgrade will be worth $2000 to me. I could care less about the web interface or possible streaming capability. That leaves DTS:X Pro and IMAX Audio, which are not really seen in the wild. 8k HDMI, which is Hype-only as long as there is virtually no source material shot in that resolution. Improved Atmos and DSPs might be worth it, but not sure if that difference is worth $2000 to me. I guess if I should upgrade, it would be shortly before the upgrade window closes - also considering that I still have two years of warranty left on my XMC-2.
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Post by Lsc on Nov 7, 2024 23:51:30 GMT -5
Same for me. It's going to cost $2,000 for the upgrade to fix these problems, which is a punch in the gut. Oddly, it is always the same few people loudly complaining about these issues here on the forum. I have zero of these issues on my XMC-2, probably like most of the silent majority. Admittedly, I have the newest hardware revision of the HDMI board, so no idea if an older version would cause such behaviour.
May I suggest that you might have a defective unit that should get some TLC by Emotiva or issues with your source devices?
I don’t think it’s odd. The same few people are the ones with the issues. And these issues look to happen on a regular basis. I also don’t have any issues - it’s been working great. Enjoying a trouble free unit. |
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Post by gunslingerfin on Nov 8, 2024 1:06:02 GMT -5
Same for me. It's going to cost $2,000 for the upgrade to fix these problems, which is a punch in the gut. Oddly, it is always the same few people loudly complaining about these issues here on the forum....
Well, I have had all the mentioned issues with my XMC-2, I'm just not complaining in every other post about them anymore, since me complaining does not make a difference. In my case 95% of the issues happen when switching HDMI input, so maybe the newer board has less issues? Anyway, point was that there are more people in the "I'm going to pay $2000 just to get the device I was expecting to get years ago" boat. |
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Post by Sayer on Nov 8, 2024 12:29:55 GMT -5
Oddly, it is always the same few people loudly complaining about these issues here on the forum....
Well, I have had all the mentioned issues with my XMC-2, I'm just not complaining in every other post about them anymore, since me complaining does not make a difference. In my case 95% of the issues happen when switching HDMI input, so maybe the newer board has less issues? Anyway, point was that there are more people in the "I'm going to pay $2000 just to get the device I was expecting to get years ago" boat. Agree.... before the last firmware update we had many more issues, but we knew an update was coming, and we love the sound of the XMC-2, so we were willing to be patient. After the firmware upgrade things actually went pretty well for a while. Then the gremlins started moving in. I think it is interesting how some people that don't experience issues tend to trivialize those of us that do. As if they feel since they don't have issues, then we must be doing something wrong. I'm glad that things are working well for them, but don't value their opinions. Some of the issues still occurring here are... Occasionally, with no identifiable reason, the volume will suddenly go to 100%. It is horrific, crazy stressful, and with the large amps and speakers we have it is brutal. After each time we are literally shaking from the anxiety it creates. It's only happened a handful of times. It has driven my wife to tears each time. This is by far the worst issue we have. A frequent problem is when watching Xfinity live, but where we have paused the program and created a buffer. We will fast forward through a commercial and then the sound will not re-engage. Once this happens fast forward, rewind, pause, changing HDMI inputs, nothing helps, the sound is no longer there. This requires a reboot of the processor. This is a frequent problem, sometimes more than once a day. We still get occasional pops and squeaks, but do not use Arc or eArc, so it is not frequent and not overly concerning. Most of the time changing HDMI inputs works, but it can take a long time, over a minute in some cases. There are times when the HDMI switch never completes, and the sound is lost. When this happens, trying to switch again does not fix the problem, so a processor reboot is required. This happens maybe a couple of times per week. Those are the issues that jump to mind. When the XMC-2 is behaving, we absolutely love the sound. We are running a 5.2.4 setup with wall mounted height speakers. Front stage is a pair of Emotiva T3+, and a C3+, a pair of T2+ as rears, and four B2+ for the height speakers. Amps are Emotiva Xpa-5 and BasX A4. Playing back some of the Dolby Atmos demos is jaw dropping, the sound travels around the room beautifully. We love queuing them up when someone comes to visit that has not heard the setup before, and watching their astonished reaction. We'd be happy to keep things as they are if the XMC-2 always performed well. The 100% volume issue is devastating, it leaves us truly shaken. That along with the other issues make it a bit difficult to accept that a $2,000 upgrade is required to fix them. I went all in on Emotiva and don't regret it, just wish there was a bit more grace for those of us who are truly having issues. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 8, 2024 13:42:26 GMT -5
... 8k HDMI, which is Hype-only as long as there is virtually no source material shot in that resolution … I’ve heard little need for 8K voiced here or anywhere else (though I’m sure there are a few outliers), but HDMI 2.1 (b in this case) offers potentially significant improvements beyond that, so dismissing the video upgrade based on 8K is missing the boat a bit. |
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Post by PaulBe on Nov 8, 2024 13:54:38 GMT -5
... 8k HDMI, which is Hype-only as long as there is virtually no source material shot in that resolution … I’ve heard little need for 8K voiced here or anywhere else (though I’m sure there are a few outliers), but HDMI 2.1 (b in this case) offers potentially significant improvements beyond that, so dismissing the video upgrade based on 8K is missing the boat a bit.^^^^^ This is what I recall from reading the HDMI 2.1 spec. It looked like HDMI 2.1 is going to fix what HDMI 2.0 was supposed to be. 8K means nothing for now. |
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Post by Lsc on Nov 8, 2024 19:34:08 GMT -5
Well, I have had all the mentioned issues with my XMC-2, I'm just not complaining in every other post about them anymore, since me complaining does not make a difference. In my case 95% of the issues happen when switching HDMI input, so maybe the newer board has less issues? Anyway, point was that there are more people in the "I'm going to pay $2000 just to get the device I was expecting to get years ago" boat. Agree.... before the last firmware update we had many more issues, but we knew an update was coming, and we love the sound of the XMC-2, so we were willing to be patient. After the firmware upgrade things actually went pretty well for a while. Then the gremlins started moving in. I think it is interesting how some people that don't experience issues tend to trivialize those of us that do. As if they feel since they don't have issues, then we must be doing something wrong. I'm glad that things are working well for them, but don't value their opinions. Some of the issues still occurring here are... Occasionally, with no identifiable reason, the volume will suddenly go to 100%. It is horrific, crazy stressful, and with the large amps and speakers we have it is brutal. After each time we are literally shaking from the anxiety it creates. It's only happened a handful of times. It has driven my wife to tears each time. This is by far the worst issue we have. A frequent problem is when watching Xfinity live, but where we have paused the program and created a buffer. We will fast forward through a commercial and then the sound will not re-engage. Once this happens fast forward, rewind, pause, changing HDMI inputs, nothing helps, the sound is no longer there. This requires a reboot of the processor. This is a frequent problem, sometimes more than once a day. We still get occasional pops and squeaks, but do not use Arc or eArc, so it is not frequent and not overly concerning. Most of the time changing HDMI inputs works, but it can take a long time, over a minute in some cases. There are times when the HDMI switch never completes, and the sound is lost. When this happens, trying to switch again does not fix the problem, so a processor reboot is required. This happens maybe a couple of times per week. Those are the issues that jump to mind. When the XMC-2 is behaving, we absolutely love the sound. We are running a 5.2.4 setup with wall mounted height speakers. Front stage is a pair of Emotiva T3+, and a C3+, a pair of T2+ as rears, and four B2+ for the height speakers. Amps are Emotiva Xpa-5 and BasX A4. Playing back some of the Dolby Atmos demos is jaw dropping, the sound travels around the room beautifully. We love queuing them up when someone comes to visit that has not heard the setup before, and watching their astonished reaction. We'd be happy to keep things as they are if the XMC-2 always performed well. The 100% volume issue is devastating, it leaves us truly shaken. That along with the other issues make it a bit difficult to accept that a $2,000 upgrade is required to fix them. I went all in on Emotiva and don't regret it, just wish there was a bit more grace for those of us who are truly having issues. Those problems are pretty severe. Have you called Emotiva service on these issues? |
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Post by webmst007 on Nov 8, 2024 22:26:14 GMT -5
Sayer ...
I see you've made a substantial investment in your overall home theatre system and with Emotiva gear in particular.
Have you considered a work around for the HDMI switching issues?
Look o know it's not ideal but for a few hundred dollars you can add a HD Fury Vertex or VVRoom which is basically a high quality 4 way HDMI switching device to 2 outputs (processor and display devices). They work pretty flawlessly ( if you're like me with a projector they offer some Dolby Vision advantages)to switch 4 sources so you don't need to switch on your G3P much at all.
It's not ideal but it could significantly reduce your processor issues for not a lot of money relative to your overall investment - just a thought 😁👋
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Post by PaulBe on Nov 9, 2024 7:39:10 GMT -5
Sayer ... I see you've made a substantial investment in your overall home theatre system and with Emotiva gear in particular. Have you considered a work around for the HDMI switching issues? Look o know it's not ideal but for a few hundred dollars you can add a HD Fury Vertex or VVRoom which is basically a high quality 4 way HDMI switching device to 2 outputs (processor and display devices). They work pretty flawlessly ( if you're like me with a projector they offer some Dolby Vision advantages)to switch 4 sources so you don't need to switch on your G3P much at all. It's not ideal but it could significantly reduce your processor issues for not a lot of money relative to your overall investment - just a thought 😁👋 Telling people that there is a 'work around' for a processor issues concerning basic function is not very good advertising - just a thought.  The basic functions of a processor need to work like any electronic appliance. Turn them on - Turn them off. I'm happy for all the people that have few processor issues. The minority of us who do have serious processor issues should have received better treatment. We wait, the same as all, at the same cost, for the G4P fix. There will be no 'work around' for a bad G4P. |
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Post by jjkessler on Nov 9, 2024 14:35:58 GMT -5
Wish there was a bit more transparency around the new processor, streamer module for the processor, and standalone streamer as we head towards Black Friday as to the specs on these products. Not sure I’m going to wait much longer and will pull the trigger on streamer if I see a good Black Friday deal. Would have rather had a streamer module for the plus processor however we’ve been left guessing for a very long time. I am at the point where I really don’t care anymore and will buy the gear when I need it (Emilio or other)
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Post by foggy1956 on Nov 9, 2024 15:15:26 GMT -5
Sayer ... I see you've made a substantial investment in your overall home theatre system and with Emotiva gear in particular. Have you considered a work around for the HDMI switching issues? Look o know it's not ideal but for a few hundred dollars you can add a HD Fury Vertex or VVRoom which is basically a high quality 4 way HDMI switching device to 2 outputs (processor and display devices). They work pretty flawlessly ( if you're like me with a projector they offer some Dolby Vision advantages)to switch 4 sources so you don't need to switch on your G3P much at all. It's not ideal but it could significantly reduce your processor issues for not a lot of money relative to your overall investment - just a thought 😁👋 Telling people that there is a 'work around' for a processor issues concerning basic function is not very good advertising - just a thought. The basic functions of a processor need to work like any electronic appliance. Turn them on - Turn them off. I'm happy for all the people that have few processor issues. The minority of us who do have serious processor issues should have received better treatment. We wait, the same as all, at the same cost, for the G4P fix. There will be no 'work around' for a bad G4P. How many people would fork out the cash for the proposed feature set if they have a relatively trouble free processor? The next gen feature set doesn't offer enough to get my money. |
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Post by Lsc on Nov 9, 2024 19:52:34 GMT -5
How many people would fork out the cash for the proposed feature set if they have a relatively trouble free processor? The next gen feature set doesn't offer enough to get my money. I’d like to have an official feature list plus status on DLBC / DLBM along with confirmation on the sound quality improvements before I can answer your question but I’ll trade in eventually. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Nov 9, 2024 20:30:47 GMT -5
How many people would fork out the cash for the proposed feature set if they have a relatively trouble free processor? The next gen feature set doesn't offer enough to get my money. I’d like to have an official feature list plus status on DLBC / DLBM along with confirmation on the sound quality improvements before I can answer your question but I’ll trade in eventually. Agreed, I was all in at the original 700 dollar upgrade price and probably would even have gone for double the price. At 3 times the cost I think the feature set doesn't justify the cost for me. |
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Post by PaulBe on Nov 9, 2024 23:01:22 GMT -5
How many people would fork out the cash for the proposed feature set if they have a relatively trouble free processor? The next gen feature set doesn't offer enough to get my money. I’d like to have an official feature list plus status on DLBC / DLBM along with confirmation on the sound quality improvements before I can answer your question but I’ll trade in eventually. The official feature list is here: emotiva.com/pages/future-of-processorsThe features are ... 'Enhanced'... |
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Post by fbczar on Nov 10, 2024 15:59:32 GMT -5
How many people would fork out the cash for the proposed feature set if they have a relatively trouble free processor? The next gen feature set doesn't offer enough to get my money. I’d like to have an official feature list plus status on DLBC / DLBM along with confirmation on the sound quality improvements before I can answer your question but I’ll trade in eventually. Are you expecting sound quality improvements in the Gen 4 processors? I don’t see advancements in the area of sound quality unless the use of dual mono DACs on all surround channels improves upon the XMC-2’s surround channels. |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Nov 10, 2024 17:24:17 GMT -5
I don’t expect any change in sound quality from the current processors.
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