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Post by jra on May 27, 2024 23:09:19 GMT -5
If this a Linux box underneath please consider playing music files from an SMB3 share. SONOS used to own that market but has been severely lacking of late.
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Post by markc on May 28, 2024 3:37:04 GMT -5
I grabbed a couple screenshots from the podcast to add here. Some were hoping for a full sized unit, and that’s a no, I believe they described it as ‘half rack’ size, and mentioned other products in a possible ’Exec’ line would also have this form factor (they had a similar idea a few years back). View AttachmentIt's already a box full of fresh air from the photo, so it could have been a quarter the size that it currently is! No need for it to be "full sized" One could reasonably argue it doesn't need to be bigger than a smartphone. |
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Post by GusGus on May 28, 2024 12:05:59 GMT -5
Anymore news on this new streamer? I'm still looking for my main streamer for the living room, and Wiim Ultra is pretty difficult to beat with everything it offers at $329! However, I don't care about the screen, phono stage or HDMI out.
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Post by KeithL on May 28, 2024 12:09:46 GMT -5
A streamer is a combination of both hardware and software - and both matter. I am also a little bit perplexed about your comment about the CM4 module... For anyone who has second thoughts about the "lowly" CM4 module I would suggest looking at what powers most high-end streamers... If you look inside most of them, you'll find Android, running on what is basically a souped-up smart phone processor. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with Android... and most of them work really well... but not because of some super-cool processor. I'd also be far more concerned about having software that's really stable and works well... rather than worrying about who else can get a copy. When it comes to streamers... implementation is everything. And, as you said, the audio circuitry is critical as well. And, while I like some of those FLIRC cases, they clearly don't have the form factor of "a real audio component"... And, yes, the ANALOG circuitry on most things that fit in one of them is a bit lacking too... While I'm writing this I'm listening to Volumio, on an old Pi3, in one of those FLIRC cases... and it's "solid as a rock". (And, yes, it is running through an XDA-3...) I would suggest looking at what's out there... and what it costs... and what you're getting from our streamer... before rushing to judgement. I definitely think how Emotiva prices this streamer will make or break the product. Telling us that there is a CM4 module in there may devalue it a bit for some. Also using software available to anyone may also devalue it a bit as well. I've built and used a few Pi4 music nodes. I use Ropieee for roon on them. I've bought Digital output cards and fancy power supplies and everything. Even designed and 3d printed a few enclosures including one for the official touch screen. They always still seem out of place in my actual system. (even used that flirc case) I'd be excited for a real audio component that has had special care for isolation inside the chassis. An actual metal chassis and basically a real audio component. Caveat- pricing matters. Bryston did this a couple years ago and charge like $1500 without a DAC in it. |
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Post by LuisV on May 28, 2024 15:56:46 GMT -5
A streamer is a combination of both hardware and software - and both matter. I am also a little bit perplexed about your comment about the CM4 module... For anyone who has second thoughts about the "lowly" CM4 module I would suggest looking at what powers most high-end streamers... If you look inside most of them, you'll find Android, running on what is basically a souped-up smart phone processor. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with Android... and most of them work really well... but not because of some super-cool processor. I'd also be far more concerned about having software that's really stable and works well... rather than worrying about who else can get a copy. When it comes to streamers... implementation is everything. And, as you said, the audio circuitry is critical as well. And, while I like some of those FLIRC cases, they clearly don't have the form factor of "a real audio component"... And, yes, the ANALOG circuitry on most things that fit in one of them is a bit lacking too... While I'm writing this I'm listening to Volumio, on an old Pi3, in one of those FLIRC cases... and it's "solid as a rock". (And, yes, it is running through an XDA-3...) I would suggest looking at what's out there... and what it costs... and what you're getting from our streamer... before rushing to judgement. Is there a possible price point that you can share? In regards to a Pi streamer... I have several and they have been rock solid for years. Zero complaints. |
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Post by brubacca on May 28, 2024 16:25:37 GMT -5
A streamer is a combination of both hardware and software - and both matter. I am also a little bit perplexed about your comment about the CM4 module... For anyone who has second thoughts about the "lowly" CM4 module I would suggest looking at what powers most high-end streamers... If you look inside most of them, you'll find Android, running on what is basically a souped-up smart phone processor. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with Android... and most of them work really well... but not because of some super-cool processor. I'd also be far more concerned about having software that's really stable and works well... rather than worrying about who else can get a copy. When it comes to streamers... implementation is everything. And, as you said, the audio circuitry is critical as well. And, while I like some of those FLIRC cases, they clearly don't have the form factor of "a real audio component"... And, yes, the ANALOG circuitry on most things that fit in one of them is a bit lacking too... While I'm writing this I'm listening to Volumio, on an old Pi3, in one of those FLIRC cases... and it's "solid as a rock". (And, yes, it is running through an XDA-3...) I would suggest looking at what's out there... and what it costs... and what you're getting from our streamer... before rushing to judgement. I definitely think how Emotiva prices this streamer will make or break the product. Telling us that there is a CM4 module in there may devalue it a bit for some. Also using software available to anyone may also devalue it a bit as well. I've built and used a few Pi4 music nodes. I use Ropieee for roon on them. I've bought Digital output cards and fancy power supplies and everything. Even designed and 3d printed a few enclosures including one for the official touch screen. They always still seem out of place in my actual system. (even used that flirc case) I'd be excited for a real audio component that has had special care for isolation inside the chassis. An actual metal chassis and basically a real audio component. Caveat- pricing matters. Bryston did this a couple years ago and charge like $1500 without a DAC in it. Keith, My apologies. I was not intending to be negative about the product. I have 3 Raspberry pi based streamers and really if your product is affordable for me I'm going to buy one. It was more of an neutral assessment. People might look at it and think they can just build the same for cheap and load their own Volumio. I don't feel that way. I've played around with Volumio both as a stand alone and as a roon end point.. For me the real metal case is a real bonus that you really can't do on your own. Plus getting a good psu, dac and all together is well worth it. The question still stands. Will the Emotiva DRS-1 include Volumio Premium or is that a separate subscription we will need? A post note to say my Raspberry Pi based streamers are more solid and reliable than my sonore Microrendu which was a purpose built small audio computer. That sucker randomly drops connection. |
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Post by jra on May 28, 2024 18:05:21 GMT -5
Just heard on the podcast it's based on volumeio, which can play music from SMB shares. Cautiously optimistic. If this is the case, there are a lot of old SONOS users who might switch to get away from the horrible SONOS UI issues.
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Post by jra on May 28, 2024 18:15:16 GMT -5
Just heard on the podcast it's based on volumeio, which can play music from SMB shares. Cautiously optimistic. If this is the case, there are a lot of old SONOS users who might switch to get away from the horrible SONOS UI issues. Memo to self. Finish watching the podcast before making ill-informed comments. Playing from network shares was demoed in the podcast.
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Post by Cogito on May 28, 2024 19:16:56 GMT -5
Too bad it's taking so long for Emotive to get this product to market. Way too late in my case as I bought the Cambridge Audio MXN-10 in December. Lots of great affordable streamers out there RIGHT NOW. Emotiva's better be damn good, damn cheap or both!
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Post by 405x5 on May 28, 2024 22:04:31 GMT -5
The standalone streamer…… I looked at them briefly when they first came on the scene some years ago, then forgot about them or paid Little attention, since any streaming I do is already well covered for my purposes Within those devices I already own.
I went back and reminded myself again after looking at this thread. They appear to do a great job for those who are taking information overload and processing it through a dedicated, self-contained unit.
My head is blown apart with all the material that’s out there to plow through each and every year.
Instead of a streamer, I spend my free time going to eBay and looking for deals on Blu-ray blockbusters for cheap prices that are worth making part of my permanent physical collection. (It’s fun getting a deal lol)
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Post by Boomzilla on May 29, 2024 8:15:21 GMT -5
Price? Availability to place an order? Shipping date? I'm holding off on another purchase in lieu of the Emotiva, but I won't wait forever...
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Post by brubacca on May 29, 2024 8:17:07 GMT -5
Price? Availability to place an order? Shipping date? I'm holding off on another purchase in lieu of the Emotiva, but I won't wait forever... Big Dan said to plan on October. Roon certification still pending. I'm.sure there is other stuff. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he also said they were in production. |
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Post by KeithL on May 29, 2024 9:19:41 GMT -5
As far as I know the features will all come with the unit and there will be no subscription required. (Of course you'll still need your own streaming service accounts and such.) And, yes, it will include a nice "Emotiva style" case, power supply, and analog electronics sections. A streamer is a combination of both hardware and software - and both matter. I am also a little bit perplexed about your comment about the CM4 module... For anyone who has second thoughts about the "lowly" CM4 module I would suggest looking at what powers most high-end streamers... If you look inside most of them, you'll find Android, running on what is basically a souped-up smart phone processor. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with Android... and most of them work really well... but not because of some super-cool processor. I'd also be far more concerned about having software that's really stable and works well... rather than worrying about who else can get a copy. When it comes to streamers... implementation is everything. And, as you said, the audio circuitry is critical as well. And, while I like some of those FLIRC cases, they clearly don't have the form factor of "a real audio component"... And, yes, the ANALOG circuitry on most things that fit in one of them is a bit lacking too... While I'm writing this I'm listening to Volumio, on an old Pi3, in one of those FLIRC cases... and it's "solid as a rock". (And, yes, it is running through an XDA-3...) I would suggest looking at what's out there... and what it costs... and what you're getting from our streamer... before rushing to judgement. Keith, My apologies. I was not intending to be negative about the product. I have 3 Raspberry pi based streamers and really if your product is affordable for me I'm going to buy one. It was more of an neutral assessment. People might look at it and think they can just build the same for cheap and load their own Volumio. I don't feel that way. I've played around with Volumio both as a stand alone and as a roon end point.. For me the real metal case is a real bonus that you really can't do on your own. Plus getting a good psu, dac and all together is well worth it. The question still stands. Will the Emotiva DRS-1 include Volumio Premium or is that a separate subscription we will need? A post note to say my Raspberry Pi based streamers are more solid and reliable than my sonore Microrendu which was a purpose built small audio computer. That sucker randomly drops connection. |
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Post by KeithL on May 29, 2024 9:31:08 GMT -5
No apology necessary... It's quite true that some people will look at it an go "it's just a Raspberry Pi"... But many of those same people will turn around and pay a lot more for a "fancy high end streamer"... (and not realize that what it runs on is "just a high-end smart phone processor running Android"). ........................... Keith, My apologies. I was not intending to be negative about the product. I have 3 Raspberry pi based streamers and really if your product is affordable for me I'm going to buy one. It was more of an neutral assessment. People might look at it and think they can just build the same for cheap and load their own Volumio. I don't feel that way. I've played around with Volumio both as a stand alone and as a roon end point.. For me the real metal case is a real bonus that you really can't do on your own. Plus getting a good psu, dac and all together is well worth it. The question still stands. Will the Emotiva DRS-1 include Volumio Premium or is that a separate subscription we will need? A post note to say my Raspberry Pi based streamers are more solid and reliable than my sonore Microrendu which was a purpose built small audio computer. That sucker randomly drops connection. |
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Post by wizardofoz on May 29, 2024 9:45:46 GMT -5
Ill be watching this space...and if this will trickle down into a processor or not
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 29, 2024 9:55:35 GMT -5
This announcement also begs the question as to whether this platform will be built into the G4P? It’s listed as being “ Music streaming capable”, and it has a Pi built in. Edit: Missed your comment, thinking the same thing, though almost a trickle up, as the G4P was announced first. Ill be watching this space...and if this will trickle down into a processor or not |
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Post by klinemj on May 29, 2024 12:45:49 GMT -5
Anymore news on this new streamer? I'm still looking for my main streamer for the living room, and Wiim Ultra is pretty difficult to beat with everything it offers at $329! However, I don't care about the screen, phono stage or HDMI out. I have a Pi-based streamer on the emporium here...it is even a DAC (Hifiberry). It's currently set up to run Roon, but you can used other software (Volumio, Kodi, etc.) Mark |
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Post by tom9933 on May 29, 2024 19:37:00 GMT -5
So are there any plans for a stripped down card version of this unit that would plug into a slot on the receiver? I ask as I planned to use the RMC to decode the audio/video so I don't need the analog parts of the unit that was shown..
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 29, 2024 20:41:45 GMT -5
So are there any plans for a stripped down card version of this unit that would plug into a slot on the receiver? I ask as I planned to use the RMC to decode the audio/video so I don't need the analog parts of the unit that was shown.. As my comment above speculated, you would get the streamer built in to the G4P, no need for a card. |
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Post by jagman on Jul 13, 2024 19:31:00 GMT -5
So are there any plans for a stripped down card version of this unit that would plug into a slot on the receiver? I ask as I planned to use the RMC to decode the audio/video so I don't need the analog parts of the unit that was shown.. As my comment above speculated, you would get the streamer built in to the G4P, no need for a card. I wonder if the streamer, as a standalone unit or built into a G4P, will be able to stream Dolby Atmos tracks via Tidal? |
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