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Post by Lsc on Oct 8, 2024 23:05:00 GMT -5
Actually, the EDNIB Pi was brought on just for Dirac. But the Pi mounted on the ECC-2 does other things like WiFi, Bluetooth, and Embedded Web Interface.  Seems like we are mixing concepts here. I don’t see Dirac listed in that picture. Also, it says music streaming*. I’d like you thank all you guys for gathering your notes and pictures but honestly, it seems like a good time to put together a product page. Most of it is copy/paste anyway…and please add the release qtr for DLBC. |
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Post by ttocs on Oct 8, 2024 23:17:57 GMT -5
Actually, the EDNIB Pi was brought on just for Dirac. But the Pi mounted on the ECC-2 does other things like WiFi, Bluetooth, and Embedded Web Interface. Seems like we are mixing concepts here. I don’t see Dirac listed in that picture. Also, it says music streaming*. I’d like you thank all you guys for gathering your notes and pictures but honestly, it seems like a good time to put together a product page. Most of it is copy/paste anyway…and please add the release qtr for DLBC. The Pi still does Dirac like always, that hasn’t changed. Streaming* means possible for future. That image is from AXPONA and is discussed in that thread. DLBC certification and release are in the hands of Dirac and Emotiva. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 8, 2024 23:19:10 GMT -5
...................On the Pi, we didn't ask any details on it. Its sole purpose is to run Dirac, and I don't know if it's easily replaced or not. Mark Interesting, it surprises me that the Pi is only for Dirac purposes? So it's only moving the Little Black Box internally? Would have thought they used the Pi for other tasks as well. Thx Jim Some time back, Keith said the RPi would be used for other things, so that may still happen … or not. |
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Post by Poodleluvr on Oct 8, 2024 23:45:08 GMT -5
I do wonder if there will be a price increase on the new re-designed Emotiva XPA-Gen4 amplifiers or for the re-designed amplifier modules and possibly how much? 🙂🙃🤣😂 The new amp modules were on display at Emofest 2024! Here are the DR series amp modules. Two needed for one channel:  Thank you! Here is the Differential Reference Amplifier Modules used in the current Gen3 DR amplifiers from the Emotiva website spec page. They look very similar. It is possible that the new Gen4 2-ohm capable DR amplifier modules are still in the development stage? The Gen 4 series Differential Reference Amplifiers with DR Modules will definitely be on my wish list!🙂 Attachments:
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Post by geebo on Oct 9, 2024 0:00:19 GMT -5
Here are the DR series amp modules. Two needed for one channel: Thank you! Here is the Differential Reference Amplifier Modules used in the current Gen3 DR amplifiers from the Emotiva website spec page. They look very similar. It is possible that the new Gen4 2-ohm capable DR amplifier modules are still in the development stage? The Gen 4 series Differential Reference Amplifiers with DR Modules will definitely be on my wish list!🙂 They may well be the current version of the DR blades. They were on the table and I took a photo. |
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Post by kanichkhun on Oct 9, 2024 2:40:44 GMT -5
yes, am looking forward for their streaming implementation as well since I bought lifetime license for Volumio.
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Post by klinemj on Oct 9, 2024 4:06:57 GMT -5
Will the changes made to the new amp modules be applied to the Differential Reference Modules used in the DR series of amps? I apologize if this question has been answered. I didn't specifically ask this..perhaps someone else did and can chime in. My guess is that the answer is either yes or that learnings from this module would be reapplied if the module itself cannot be applied directly. Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 9, 2024 4:08:15 GMT -5
Actually, the EDNIB Pi was brought on just for Dirac. But the Pi mounted on the ECC-2 does other things like WiFi, Bluetooth, and Embedded Web Interface. Oh - cool - didn't notice that one! I'll add that to the notes! Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 9, 2024 4:10:19 GMT -5
...................On the Pi, we didn't ask any details on it. Its sole purpose is to run Dirac, and I don't know if it's easily replaced or not. Mark Interesting, it surprises me that the Pi is only for Dirac purposes? So it's only moving the Little Black Box internally? Would have thought they used the Pi for other tasks as well. Thx Jim Did you see ttocs post? I'd missed that! Mark |
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Post by foggy1956 on Oct 9, 2024 5:07:48 GMT -5
Seems like we are mixing concepts here. I don’t see Dirac listed in that picture. Also, it says music streaming*. I’d like you thank all you guys for gathering your notes and pictures but honestly, it seems like a good time to put together a product page. Most of it is copy/paste anyway…and please add the release qtr for DLBC. The Pi still does Dirac like always, that hasn’t changed. Streaming* means possible for future. That image is from AXPONA and is discussed in that thread. DLBC certification and release are in the hands of Dirac and Emotiva. Sounds like we could use a podcast to clean up post Emofest? |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 9, 2024 6:48:21 GMT -5
The Pi still does Dirac like always, that hasn’t changed. Streaming* means possible for future. That image is from AXPONA and is discussed in that thread. This is making more sense now...at Emofest, I didn't see that display you had a picture of, so it being from Axpona makes sense now. I'm curious whether they will enable streaming via that Pi given their launch of the external unit (the DRS-1). The fact that streaming was not on the list of features Dan shared with me makes me think "no". It wasn't even listed as "eventually". Also, I didn't pick up that the Pi also had a role in wifi, bluetooth, and the web app, but that makes sense. Did they specifically tell you the Pi has a role in those parts? Just curious - I didn't pick that up, but I didn't push it. I did pick up that the web app was "embedded" but didn't probe how/where. Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 9, 2024 6:57:21 GMT -5
They may well be the current version of the DR blades. They were on the table and I took a photo. I think those are current amp modules. Lonnie said a key aspect of the new ones is new output stage transistors ...sorry...typo...mean resistors (and more of them). They are circled in this picture. I'm not sure if this module applies to the DR series and the non-DR series, though.  Mark |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 9, 2024 7:05:37 GMT -5
They may well be the current version of the DR blades. They were on the table and I took a photo. I think those are current amp modules. Lonnie said a key aspect of the new ones is new output stage transistors (and more of them). They are circled in this picture. I'm not sure if this module applies to the DR series and the non-DR series, though. View AttachmentMark The grey banded parts in your circle are the emitter resistors for the output transistors. There are a few more resistors and a diode in your circle. Transistors - including outputs - are the black flat-paks to the right of the resistors. There is one more pair of output transistors in the new XPA blades. They also appear to be bigger and higher current transistors than in the old blades. The new blades have a nicely cleaned up parts layout. |
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Post by ttocs on Oct 9, 2024 7:48:16 GMT -5
Also, I didn't pick up that the Pi also had a role in wifi, bluetooth, and the web app, but that makes sense. Did they specifically tell you the Pi has a role in those parts? Just curious - I didn't pick that up, but I didn't push it. I did pick up that the web app was "embedded" but didn't probe how/where. Mark I've known about the other duties the Pi is being tasked with since AXPONA last year, and was confirmed in conversation with Lonnie at that show. So yes, it does all those things, including the Dirac duties. Bluetooth and WiFi are built into the Pi natively, and that's why the Pi is being leveraged for providing those features. The Web Interface is something the Pi does easily. Streaming? Can the Pi handle streaming? Certainly. Will it be programmed to do so? Dunno. The Pi is very capable of handling more than it's currently being tasked with in the + without bogging it down, per Lonnie. |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 9, 2024 8:19:01 GMT -5
I think those are current amp modules. Lonnie said a key aspect of the new ones is new output stage transistors (and more of them). They are circled in this picture. I'm not sure if this module applies to the DR series and the non-DR series, though. View AttachmentMark The grey banded parts in your circle are the emitter resistors for the output transistors. There are a few more resistors and a diode in your circle. Transistors - including outputs - are the black flat-paks to the right of the resistors. There is one more pair of output transistors in the new blades. They also appear to be bigger and higher current transistors than in the old blades. The new blades have a nicely cleaned up parts layout. I meant resistors and typed transistors...woke up too early for a consulting call with Japan. Mark |
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Post by tngiloy on Oct 9, 2024 9:17:08 GMT -5
Also, I didn't pick up that the Pi also had a role in wifi, bluetooth, and the web app, but that makes sense. Did they specifically tell you the Pi has a role in those parts? Just curious - I didn't pick that up, but I didn't push it. I did pick up that the web app was "embedded" but didn't probe how/where. Mark I've known about the other duties the Pi is being tasked with since AXPONA last year, and was confirmed in conversation with Lonnie at that show. So yes, it does all those things, including the Dirac duties. Bluetooth and WiFi are built into the Pi natively, and that's why the Pi is being leveraged for providing those features. The Web Interface is something the Pi does easily. Streaming? Can the Pi handle streaming? Certainly. Will it be programmed to do so? Dunno. The Pi is very capable of handling more than it's currently being tasked with in the + without bogging it down, per Lonnie. Can it be programmed for streaming by fw update, or does it need to be set up at the factory?? |
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Post by ttocs on Oct 9, 2024 10:00:40 GMT -5
I've known about the other duties the Pi is being tasked with since AXPONA last year, and was confirmed in conversation with Lonnie at that show. So yes, it does all those things, including the Dirac duties. Bluetooth and WiFi are built into the Pi natively, and that's why the Pi is being leveraged for providing those features. The Web Interface is something the Pi does easily. Streaming? Can the Pi handle streaming? Certainly. Will it be programmed to do so? Dunno. The Pi is very capable of handling more than it's currently being tasked with in the + without bogging it down, per Lonnie. Can it be programmed for streaming by fw update, or does it need to be set up at the factory?? Well, I can definitely say that the Pi can be updated via the RJ45, this is how the Web Interface will be updated. But with regards to a streamer function, I'm going to wait for Emotiva to talk about it if they want to. For me it's one step at a time, and the first step is for the + models to be released, and the second step is enabling DLBC. |
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Post by ttocs on Oct 9, 2024 16:44:55 GMT -5
From the RMC-1+ / XMC-2+ The G4 Processors & Trade In / FAQ P1 thread: Yes. When DLBC is available it will be able to support all of the subs that the unit itself supports.Note that the DLBC license, which you will have to purchase separately, comes in "one sub" and "multiple sub" versions. (I doubt you would have the option of using a single sub license to run one sub with DLBC and one or more others without it.) I sent in a question about this specifically so it can be cleared up. But let's analyze this for a moment. Dirac currently sees 3 subs in the G3P. Dirac does whatever Dirac does with all 3 subs. We already know that all 3 subwoofer outputs get the same Mono bass signal, and yet Dirac sees each one as a separate channel, which is good. So does this give us a clue? I think it does, and I think this means that DLBC will function for the Left, Center, and Right Subwoofer outputs. KeithL Will DLBC work for all 3 Subwoofer outputs on the XMC-2+? This means that the XMC-2+ will support 3 subwoofers, and the RMC-1+ will support 7 subwoofers with one expansion module for subwoofers!! Well done!!!! edit: But, DLBC now is available in one version for all for one price for all no matter how many subwoofer outputs the processor has. |
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Post by tom9933 on Oct 9, 2024 21:35:55 GMT -5
I've seen a few comments about the internal PI and I asked a few questions that might help... It is not just the Dirac box, it's more of a main processor (It maybe the main processor but I didn't get that specific), with the wired/wireless network connections and hosts the web server. While it is the case that there streamer is also PI based the main PI is not being used for streaming. They said the streamer would be a card in the RMC1+, I'm assuming for the XMC-2 you will need to go external. I did ask on the RMC1+ if the card would have its own network connections or share the main connections and Damon said he did not know.
As for upgrading it to a 5, I would not plan on that unless you want to void your warranty..
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 9, 2024 22:07:46 GMT -5
… While it is the case that there streamer is also PI based the main PI is not being used for streaming. They said the streamer would be a card in the RMC1+, I'm assuming for the XMC-2 you will need to go external. I did ask on the RMC1+ if the card would have its own network connections or share the main connections and Damon said he did not know … That’s something I hadn't heard reported, streamer news has been scarce, a bit unexpected that it’s not running on the (internal) RPi. Edit: I’m going to cross post it over in the G4P thread as it fits in the much of the current discussion. |
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