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Post by klinemj on Oct 7, 2009 20:09:38 GMT -5
I can't recall if he said the platter was suspended by mag's (therefore mag-lev) or just pushed around by it. I think it was suspended another way and just pushed into turning by mag's so no motor vibration would enter the table. In any case, a fun concept - even if it never shows up.
But animo, your mag-lev comment reminds me of a funny experience riding the underground "train" shuttle in the Cinci airport. Another rider was proclaiming loudly to friends how the train was floating barely off the ground by repelling magnets, and also that a giant magnet pushed it from one terminal to the next. It is a smooth ride, but...I resisted the temptation to point out the giant ~2" thick steel cable pulling it back and forth and the image of what were clearly tire tracks (like, bus-sized tires) on the ground along the path the train followed. I have always wondered if his apparently mystified friends also noticed these bits of evidence that it was not a mag-lev train...
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Post by topcat on Oct 8, 2009 17:18:35 GMT -5
I also talked w/Lonnie about his ideas for a turntable at Emofest. It sounded like a low priority, but he shared some interesting thoughts on a design he was interested in. He did say that parts of it built on things they'd developed for others years ago, but he added that one build was a contact-less drive system. Basically, electromagnets would pulse to push the platter around. Net, no belt, no motor to direct drive the platter, just pulses of electricity. As an engineer myself, this quite intrigued me as the use of fields is a natural technology evolution. But I do love my old Thorens 166. Its sound is great and there a lot of great memories in that old table. But, I could use a new cartridge...maybe with a blue light glowing within it... Mark Hmmmmmmmm .... a mag lev turntable?  HOw fast can it go |
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Post by DYohn on Oct 8, 2009 17:42:40 GMT -5
Hmmmmmmmm .... a mag lev turntable? HOw fast can it go 33 1/3 rpm... |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 8, 2009 18:04:22 GMT -5
maybe 45 rpm...and hey, what about those old 78's?
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Post by littlesaint on Oct 8, 2009 18:05:24 GMT -5
;D Beat me to the punch. ;D |
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Post by oneliterpeter on Oct 8, 2009 18:07:56 GMT -5
The market for turntables is very small and specialized, and available software (new vinyl) is hard to find and usually not mainstream titles. I do not think it would be a very wise business decision to enter the turntable market. Sorry but that's not really accurate... Just go to Amazon and in the Alternative rock category there are 18,000 vinyl records to choose from. Classic Rock almost 10,000, Jazz... 11,000. and the majority of them are under $15.00 and many were pressed this year. The facts seem to state otherwise.  |
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Post by DYohn on Oct 8, 2009 22:52:36 GMT -5
The market for turntables is very small and specialized, and available software (new vinyl) is hard to find and usually not mainstream titles. I do not think it would be a very wise business decision to enter the turntable market. Sorry but that's not really accurate... Just go to Amazon and in the Alternative rock category there are 18,000 vinyl records to choose from. Classic Rock almost 10,000, Jazz... 11,000. and the majority of them are under $15.00 and many were pressed this year. The facts seem to state otherwise. Interesting. I stand corrected. |
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Post by dreadpiratemarc on Oct 9, 2009 1:32:24 GMT -5
I hear that records made a big comeback in Japan several years back, so it's now trickling across the Pacific. CD's have been obsolete there for years; everything is either MP3 download or vinyl. That's what I hear, at least. I hope it's true because I like vinyl. But I've gotten a couple of those new-release mainstream rock pressings from Amazon and been disappointed with the SQ. Apparently, everything these days is recorded and mastered entirely digitally, intended to end up on a CD. So the result is that the record sounds like a CD, and it doesn't have that analog sound. The best way I can describe it is that there is no depth to the sound stage. It sounds like the music is coming from a plane between my speakers. But if I put in some audiophile jazz thing or a vintage album, it sounds like Jimi Hendrix is right there in the room. It's a aural hologram. Especially using the USP-1 as my phono stage, wow. So I'm not sure if there is much of an sonic advantage in the vinyl resurgence. On the other hand, maybe I just got unlucky with those one or two picks. Maybe there are better ones out there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 6:42:59 GMT -5
I hear that records made a big comeback in Japan several years back, so it's now trickling across the Pacific. CD's have been obsolete there for years; everything is either MP3 download or vinyl. That's what I hear, at least. I hope it's true because I like vinyl. But I've gotten a couple of those new-release mainstream rock pressings from Amazon and been disappointed with the SQ. Apparently, everything these days is recorded and mastered entirely digitally, intended to end up on a CD. So the result is that the record sounds like a CD, and it doesn't have that analog sound. The best way I can describe it is that there is no depth to the sound stage. It sounds like the music is coming from a plane between my speakers. But if I put in some audiophile jazz thing or a vintage album, it sounds like Jimi Hendrix is right there in the room. It's a aural hologram. Especially using the USP-1 as my phono stage, wow. So I'm not sure if there is much of an sonic advantage in the vinyl resurgence. On the other hand, maybe I just got unlucky with those one or two picks. Maybe there are better ones out there. That's interesting. And would suck if this remains to be true. |
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Post by vincedog3 on Oct 10, 2009 11:00:39 GMT -5
It is most likely true. With the digital solution being the norm in today's studios, the older analog solutions such as good old analog tape is becoming a rarity every day. Tape is expensive, and the machines eat up allot of space, editing is allot harder, and there is the maintenance and wear and tear on the tape components such as heads etc., that many studios don't have them anymore. Before I left Xerox Corporation I had Universal Music and they had Studer 24 track Reel to Reels sitting around doing nothing, and appeared it was like that for quite some time. They had 4 of these machines unplugged doing nothing. So I don't know what the "tape" futures hold in the next coming years. I hope some will still be done all analog, but that reality I don't see really. Mostly if you want analog front to end for your records you really have to buy older pressings. I love analog too, and try to keep what analog I have alive. Not easy. Tape is a pain to get these days. I believe RMG is the only vendor who is even making reel to reel tape anymore. Formally BASF formulations, RMG bought out BASF's formulas and stock and is making and selling tape. For a blank reel of 2500ft of 1/4 tape is over $40.00. Figure a 2 inch tape is about $200.00 dollars for 2500 feet of tape, and you see the economics favor computer based digital system profoundly. Priced hard drives lately? So analog is great sounding but expensive to do.  My Tascam 52 2 track I got for $600.00. Orignally an over $3000.00 machine. Just think, I can't buy 20 reels of tape for what I paid for the machine. |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 10, 2009 17:24:41 GMT -5
It's kind of ironic what dreadpiratemarc notes on new vinyl...when CD's first came out, I recall many things that were originally released on vinyl were hastily released on CD. Many of these had horrible sound. If I recall correctly, Rush's Moving Pictures was one that was particularly horrible. Almost immediately, remasters started coming out and it continues today (witness the latest w/the Beatles...).
Yet now, sounds like vinyl is having the reverse issue!
Weird...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 17:33:12 GMT -5
It's kind of ironic what dreadpiratemarc notes on new vinyl...when CD's first came out, I recall many things that were originally released on vinyl were hastily released on CD. Many of these had horrible sound. If I recall correctly, Rush's Moving Pictures was one that was particularly horrible. Almost immediately, remasters started coming out and it continues today (witness the latest w/the Beatles...). Yet now, sounds like vinyl is having the reverse issue! Weird... very weird |
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Post by regulator on Oct 11, 2009 12:40:44 GMT -5
When I was at Emofest, Lonnie Vaughn was talking about a turntable that he wants to design and sell at Emotiva. Looks very interesting. Possible linear tracker with belt drive. Stay tuned, you never know. This looks to be very enticing if it happens especially in light of the phono stages already in the USP-1 and the upcoming XSP-1. "It is logical Captain." ;D ::face palm:: that was supposed to be on the down low haha, come on man, this is a turntable, not classified state secrets. Now that word is out, maybe they can gage the interest out there for a possible table. I think it would be very cool, and I would definitely be interested in a turntable by emotiva. If they take their time and make it right it could be very good seller. |
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Post by regulator on Oct 11, 2009 12:50:50 GMT -5
Sorry but that's not really accurate... Just go to Amazon and in the Alternative rock category there are 18,000 vinyl records to choose from. Classic Rock almost 10,000, Jazz... 11,000. and the majority of them are under $15.00 and many were pressed this year. The facts seem to state otherwise. Interesting. I stand corrected. I second this. Vinyl is coming back pretty strong. Most new albums are released in vinyl format, although it usually is in limited edition numbers. Then there are the collectible albums which are always in demand. For example, the Led Zeppelin Classic Records 200 gm are in huge demand, out of print, and are regarded by most as the best sounding versions on wax. An emo turntable, the ERC-1, and the USP-1 would be a sweet set up. |
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Post by flamingeye on Oct 11, 2009 15:54:52 GMT -5
I said no , but only because I love my technics SL-10 liner tracking TT , its been running flawlessly and sounds superb sins day one
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Post by scottl on Oct 14, 2009 20:48:31 GMT -5
Since manufacturing quality & QC make such a big difference in the sound of a turntable (& arm, & cartridge), and Emotiva produces such well-built products, it would be unsurprising if they made an awesome turntable for the dollar.
I can't say I'd be nearly as interested in a turntable as I would be in some other planned/potential products, though. I think DACs & subwoofers have a lot more potential for the brand. Turntables really are a different kettle of fish. Maybe if it incorporated or was available with a killer phono preamp & ADC, it would be a little more uniquely "Emo".
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Post by stillearning on Oct 14, 2009 22:48:56 GMT -5
I voted yes, nothing sound's better than Vinyl IMO  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2009 15:55:29 GMT -5
I voted yes, nothing sound's better than Vinyl IMO the beautiful sound of a can of cold beer cracking open comes close though . . . ;D |
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Post by stillearning on Oct 19, 2009 12:54:31 GMT -5
the beautiful sound of a can of cold beer cracking open comes close though . . . ;D hehehe i must agree that that is always a refreshing sound! ;D |
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Oct 20, 2009 5:13:38 GMT -5
When I was at Emofest, Lonnie Vaughn was talking about a turntable that he wants to design and sell at Emotiva. Looks very interesting. Possible linear tracker with belt drive. Stay tuned, you never know. This looks to be very enticing if it happens especially in light of the phono stages already in the USP-1 and the upcoming XSP-1. "It is logical Captain." ;D One with a built-in DAC (optical, coaxial and USB output) would be pretty nice to allow direct capture to one's PC and simple cabling. +1 for the linear tracking and also I would like to see direct track access buttons on the front and the remote like some of the 1980s Technics units had (I'm sorry I sold mine but times were hard and it was part of a system). |
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